PS4 and RTS Gaming (Mouse and keyboard)

Slyfox696 · Mar 21, 2017

Crovax said:
Only because consoles have less choices.

Who cares why? When someone wants to get online and play multiplayer Call of Duty, they will have much more success on console. It doesn't matter why, it only matters that it's true and for people who like to play multiplayer (and I'm not one of those people really), it makes sense to play console version.

Crovax · Mar 21, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
Who cares why? When someone wants to get online and play multiplayer Call of Duty, they will have much more success on console. It doesn't matter why, it only matters that it's true and for people who like to play multiplayer (and I'm not one of those people really), it makes sense to play console version.

They will have success either way, weather you have an average of 40,000 players at once or 80,000 doesnt make a whole lot of difference and its only really true for battlefield and call of duty, take something like overwatch and pc has the most. Not to mention games like counter strike, wow and lol have more players online at any time than playstation and xbox combined, why would you buy a whole console just on the premise to have more players in one or two games

Ikari · Mar 21, 2017

Slyfox696 said:
Who cares why? When someone wants to get online and play multiplayer Call of Duty, they will have much more success on console. It doesn't matter why, it only matters that it's true and for people who like to play multiplayer (and I'm not one of those people really), it makes sense to play console version.

People should play what they like to play. My PC is pretty much a MMOG rig now, lol. I used to play FPS back in the days of the old twitch shooters, but now mostly I play WoW on it.

I love my consoles, I predominately play them because I like them. My friends who are now scattered across the country have them, we play games on them all the time. And with VR coming about, how many people are going to be sitting down with keyboard mouse? Maybe for the early MMOVRRPGs, but we'll have to see when those start to come out. There's a lot of flexibility that comes with a PC, but there's a lot of stability that comes with a console. So choose what you like and play it.

But the PC Supremacists will never let it go. They'll always go on and on and on, looking down their nose at you for daring to like console. It's like listening to Hillary Clinton, lol.

Slyfox696 · Mar 21, 2017

Crovax said:
They will have success either way

Nah, not really.

Not to mention games like counter strike, wow and lol have more players online at any time than playstation and xbox combined

WOW and LOL aren't on console, so it's not really an apt comparison. CS:GO is a more valid example, but CS:GO has been on PC far longer than XBox One and I don't even think it's available for PS4.

Look, you don't have to convince me PC gaming is better, I'm a PC gamer. But to try to claim PC gaming is the ONLY product which solves the needs of everyone is downright silly. Yes, PC has better performance, but there are many advantages to consoles, including multiplayer.

why would you buy a whole console just on the premise to have more players in one or two games

Because you get an optimized computer dedicated primarily to gaming at a decent price which allows you to play with more people on multiplayer and is easier to use on a big screen TV in the living room.

There are many reason to prefer a console. I prefer a PC, but it's silly to think PC is the only gaming concept which has value.

Ikari said:
People should play what they like to play.

100% agree. I played the hell out of Minecraft modpacks for the last few months, but the last week or so I've been real heavy into Cities: Skylines. And I'm still waiting for 7 Days to Die Alpha 16 to drop so I can play that game again.

I love my consoles, I predominately play them because I like them.

I prefer consoles for games where a controller is easier to use, such as sports games. Trying to play NBA 2K on a PC isn't the easiest thing in the world and when I can just stream it using my Steam Link and use my PS3 controller, it's a no-brainer.

But the PC Supremacists will never let it go. They'll always go on and on and on, looking down their nose at you for daring to like console.

And it's like I told Crovax, I PREFER the PC. I have a roughly $2000 gaming PC system in my living room. It's what I play, but the idea consoles don't have their advantages too is just silly.

Harry Guerrilla · Mar 22, 2017

Ikari said:
People should play what they like to play. My PC is pretty much a MMOG rig now, lol. I used to play FPS back in the days of the old twitch shooters, but now mostly I play WoW on it.

I love my consoles, I predominately play them because I like them. My friends who are now scattered across the country have them, we play games on them all the time. And with VR coming about, how many people are going to be sitting down with keyboard mouse? Maybe for the early MMOVRRPGs, but we'll have to see when those start to come out. There's a lot of flexibility that comes with a PC, but there's a lot of stability that comes with a console. So choose what you like and play it.

But the PC Supremacists will never let it go. They'll always go on and on and on, looking down their nose at you for daring to like console. It's like listening to Hillary Clinton, lol.

That stuff really comes down to cross platforming.
I'm a PC gamer, exclusively and I hate when my favorite titles get made for cross platform (example, TES, Fallout, etc.)
There is a countdown clock on when the game is going to go to ****, at that point.

Why is that?
Because the game devs don't want to make two specialized games for two different style of players.
With PC I often get more options to tweak the games to my liking and often (not always) the games seem to have a higher skill gradient, (some other things to).
When cross platformed, they often (but not always), start shifting away from those things, to make it more console friendly and they lose the things I love about a PC game.

Another example of this is opening mods for consoles, on Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
The modding community was fairly stable and had a well understood honor system.
Bethesda, in all their idiocy, did not consult anyone about before releasing mods for consoles and console users are pirating content left and right.
(for the record, mods are protects under IP law)
Besthesda has been slow to non existent, in clamping down on this.
It breeds bad blood between pc and console users.

To further make this particular situation worse, I guarantee that Besthesda is looking to monetize user created content (mods).
The last time is was tried via steam, it was a **** storm of piracy and theft via steams mod market, that it was shut down (I think) in 5 days.

To sum it up, bad things happen when worlds collide.

Ikari · Mar 22, 2017

Harry Guerrilla said:
That stuff really comes down to cross platforming.
I'm a PC gamer, exclusively and I hate when my favorite titles get made for cross platform (example, TES, Fallout, etc.)
There is a countdown clock on when the game is going to go to ****, at that point.

Why is that?
Because the game devs don't want to make two specialized games for two different style of players.
With PC I often get more options to tweak the games to my liking and often (not always) the games seem to have a higher skill gradient, (some other things to).
When cross platformed, they often (but not always), start shifting away from those things, to make it more console friendly and they lose the things I love about a PC game.

Another example of this is opening mods for consoles, on Fallout 4 and Skyrim.
The modding community was fairly stable and had a well understood honor system.
Bethesda, in all their idiocy, did not consult anyone about before releasing mods for consoles and console users are pirating content left and right.
(for the record, mods are protects under IP law)
Besthesda has been slow to non existent, in clamping down on this.
It breeds bad blood between pc and console users.

To further make this particular situation worse, I guarantee that Besthesda is looking to monetize user created content (mods).
The last time is was tried via steam, it was a **** storm of piracy and theft via steams mod market, that it was shut down (I think) in 5 days.

To sum it up, bad things happen when worlds collide.

OK, but that seems more like something market forces need to correct and game developers if they're going to cross-platform titles. But PC Supremacists can still suck it, console is a fantastic gaming platform that offers a cheaper, more stable, and longer lived option then keeping up with modern trends in PC gaming. With tech getting better and cheaper, who knows what everything is going to look like in 10 years time anyway. And with VR, there may be a bigger push for convergence.

Harry Guerrilla · Mar 22, 2017

Ikari said:
OK, but that seems more like something market forces need to correct and game developers if they're going to cross-platform titles. But PC Supremacists can still suck it, console is a fantastic gaming platform that offers a cheaper, more stable, and longer lived option then keeping up with modern trends in PC gaming. With tech getting better and cheaper, who knows what everything is going to look like in 10 years time anyway. And with VR, there may be a bigger push for convergence.

Market forces are kinda making things better.
Steam greenlight has been good imo, although others will disagree (the unity store **** games).
Lots of great pc games that came from small but innovative developers, although they've ditched greenlight for steam direct, so we'll see.

I don't have a hate for consoles, I just hate my favorite games being made for consoles.
They're just chasing dollars and putting innovation after.
I generally think that most AAA developers are doing this though and I rarely buy a AAA game, sans Fallout 4 and maybe TES.
Depending on how the next TES looks I may or may not buy it, depends on where it's located and the play options.

I think VR is interesting, but I'm not so sure it's going places yet.
There are a couple of not **** real games for it, the rest are kind of meh, imo.

blackjack50 · Mar 23, 2017

Harry Guerrilla said:
Market forces are kinda making things better.
Steam greenlight has been good imo, although others will disagree (the unity store **** games).
Lots of great pc games that came from small but innovative developers, although they've ditched greenlight for steam direct, so we'll see.

I don't have a hate for consoles, I just hate my favorite games being made for consoles.
They're just chasing dollars and putting innovation after.
I generally think that most AAA developers are doing this though and I rarely buy a AAA game, sans Fallout 4 and maybe TES.
Depending on how the next TES looks I may or may not buy it, depends on where it's located and the play options.

I think VR is interesting, but I'm not so sure it's going places yet.
There are a couple of not **** real games for it, the rest are kind of meh, imo.

I think VR is actually a direction consoles should be looking. It seems like the ultimate market objective. Consoles have always been a living room thing. Maybe they should try harder for that? And I agree about the AAA titles killing innovation. I don't think it is about consoles though. I think it is more about the money killing innovation.

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