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So I am looking to save up for a computer to play arma 3. I will be able to afford it in the not too distant future (bout 6 months) so I am doing my research now. I am still new to all this, so anyone with knowledge of gaming pcs is welcome.

My understanding is that a game like arma needs a REALLY good processor first. Like the i7. That that is first and foremost the part I need. And I really don't know where to go from there. I'm looking to spend about $1000 or less. I can go slightly more but I would rather not. I also understand the i7 is $350.

TLDR:

Can you order the parts in order of importance? What I can compromise money on? What I need top of the line for arma 3? I will be playing multiplayer almost exclusively. I don't need grand graphics. I want to be able to play the game without having massive frame drops and all that.
 
I'm no expert but I'd look at the manufacturers recommended minimum specs and start from there.

Arma III system requirements | Can I Run Arma III

From what I'm seeing the minimum requirements aren't anything special and if I was going to beef up from the minimum I'd prioritize RAM and then the graphics card.
 
Portatech.com -- Motherboard & CPU Combos

A handy site that usually has among the lowest prices around. It might help you be able to play around with component options to get an ida of what you can afford in your price range.

Things to consider: cooling options and whether a particular CPU or GPU has a tendency to run hot or not, and also making sure you have sufficient wattage for your power supply to drive both the GPU's and the CPU's.

A helpful link for GPU shopping: Best Graphics Cards for the Money: October 2014

More ram is good, 16 Gb + if you have room to afford it (DDR4 ram is more expensive than DDR3). Also pay attention to whether or not the motherboard/CPU combo supports DDR3 or DDR4 RAM (I think some of the latest generation CPUs such as the latest haswell's only support the more expensive DDR4 option.)

Another link regarding DDR3 vs DD4 Ram: DDR4 vs DDR3 : A breakdown. - cas latency - Components

edit to add one more link: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html
 
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Dont buy an i7.. simply not worth the money if you ask me.. there is massive diminishing returns with an i7. A high end i5 that can be overclocked is just as good for almost all games out there. AMD got some okay chips for cheap money.. kinda. AMD FX-9XXX are the best.

Most of this info can be gotten on Tom's Hardware: Hardware News, Tests and Reviews

Processor wise stick to Intel (for now). The i5-4460 is the best price and performance, but the i5-4690 is best for overclocking. Differences are 180 bucks for the first 240 for the second.

8 GB ram, 1666 mhz minimum. Faster ram = better. You could go 12 or 16 GB ram, but I have yet to see any game or program other than servers that actually use more than 8 GB of ram.

SSD. A must now days and they are cheap now days. 120 GB minimum, but 240 GB is not much more. Gaming performance can be enhanced with an SSD, but depends on the game. Not sure about ARMA as I have never played it. 500mb read and write is a minimum, but most are that these days. Samsung make some great SSDs.

Then there is the graphics card and they are almost more expensive than all the above items put together. You can basically buy your self into the poor house with graphics cards.

At the moment one of the best graphics cards out there is the GeForce GTX 970.. it costs 300+ dollars or so.

For the more reasonable price range, the best card is probably the ATI Radeon R9 270X.. with the 280 and 290 versions being better but also more expensive.

In 6 months time, all these should have been replaced and the price been cut considerably.

However the ARMA site says that they recommend a GeForce GTX 660 or Radeon HD 7760.. and they are relatively old cards and can be gotten rather cheaply.

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

This list shows as of November the best out there. Forget the FirePro ones... just check the price /grin. But all this can change big time in 6 months.

So 240$ for a processor, 100$ or so for a motherboard, 60$ for ram, 100$ for SSD and 350$ for a Graphics card .. give or take.. thats about 850 bucks. You can go lower by taking a high end mid tier graphics card, which would be around 200-250$.
 
Dont buy an i7.. simply not worth the money if you ask me.. there is massive diminishing returns with an i7. A high end i5 that can be overclocked is just as good for almost all games out there. AMD got some okay chips for cheap money.. kinda. AMD FX-9XXX are the best.

Most of this info can be gotten on Tom's Hardware: Hardware News, Tests and Reviews

Processor wise stick to Intel (for now). The i5-4460 is the best price and performance, but the i5-4690 is best for overclocking. Differences are 180 bucks for the first 240 for the second.

8 GB ram, 1666 mhz minimum. Faster ram = better. You could go 12 or 16 GB ram, but I have yet to see any game or program other than servers that actually use more than 8 GB of ram.

SSD. A must now days and they are cheap now days. 120 GB minimum, but 240 GB is not much more. Gaming performance can be enhanced with an SSD, but depends on the game. Not sure about ARMA as I have never played it. 500mb read and write is a minimum, but most are that these days. Samsung make some great SSDs.

Then there is the graphics card and they are almost more expensive than all the above items put together. You can basically buy your self into the poor house with graphics cards.

At the moment one of the best graphics cards out there is the GeForce GTX 970.. it costs 300+ dollars or so.

For the more reasonable price range, the best card is probably the ATI Radeon R9 270X.. with the 280 and 290 versions being better but also more expensive.

In 6 months time, all these should have been replaced and the price been cut considerably.

However the ARMA site says that they recommend a GeForce GTX 660 or Radeon HD 7760.. and they are relatively old cards and can be gotten rather cheaply.

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

This list shows as of November the best out there. Forget the FirePro ones... just check the price /grin. But all this can change big time in 6 months.

So 240$ for a processor, 100$ or so for a motherboard, 60$ for ram, 100$ for SSD and 350$ for a Graphics card .. give or take.. thats about 850 bucks. You can go lower by taking a high end mid tier graphics card, which would be around 200-250$.

I pretty much agree with you on all this, but there's a couple of parts you didn't mention. They can quickly eat up the left over $150...and then some.

Power Supply

Storage Hard Drive

Case

Keyboard

Mouse

Monitor

OS

Now, the OP didn't mention if he has another computer system that he can get some of these parts from or not, but if he's building a completely new system, these are going to cost a bit.
 
I pretty much agree with you on all this, but there's a couple of parts you didn't mention. They can quickly eat up the left over $150...and then some.

Power Supply

Storage Hard Drive

Case

Keyboard

Mouse

Monitor

OS

Now, the OP didn't mention if he has another computer system that he can get some of these parts from or not, but if he's building a completely new system, these are going to cost a bit.

Yea. The biggest thing after doing some research is processor. Arma isn't like other games. The graphics card isn't the biggest player. It is all about processor. Them ram. It is because of object number in the worlds I guess. I'm lookin for smooth play and little crashing.

I'm still new to computer parts and so on. I don't need ultra graphics. I need reliable and relatively lag free play. Are you am arma player?
 
Yea. The biggest thing after doing some research is processor. Arma isn't like other games. The graphics card isn't the biggest player. It is all about processor. Them ram. It is because of object number in the worlds I guess. I'm lookin for smooth play and little crashing.

I'm still new to computer parts and so on. I don't need ultra graphics. I need reliable and relatively lag free play. Are you am arma player?

I'm not an Arma player. I prefer MMORPG's.

Here is a site that lets you plug in hardware info and it'll tell you if, and how well, you can play the game. It seems to be concerned with CPU, GPU, RAM and resolution.

ArmA III System Requirements and ArmA III requirements for PC Games
 
So I am looking to save up for a computer to play arma 3. I will be able to afford it in the not too distant future (bout 6 months) so I am doing my research now. I am still new to all this, so anyone with knowledge of gaming pcs is welcome.

My understanding is that a game like arma needs a REALLY good processor first. Like the i7. That that is first and foremost the part I need. And I really don't know where to go from there. I'm looking to spend about $1000 or less. I can go slightly more but I would rather not. I also understand the i7 is $350.

TLDR:

Can you order the parts in order of importance? What I can compromise money on? What I need top of the line for arma 3? I will be playing multiplayer almost exclusively. I don't need grand graphics. I want to be able to play the game without having massive frame drops and all that.

What resolution are you running? Most people have 1080p monitors these days.

The i5 is a better choice, especially if you are willing to overclock. The main advantage of the i7 is hyperthreading, a feature absolutely useless for video games. After that, all you have left is a slightly higher clock speed. (and most video games will be GPU bound, not CPU) ARMA's main problem is that it apparently is single-threaded, which is basically criminal in 2014. (because it means three of your four processor cores will sit freaking idle, the only thing that matters is performance of the one core that is working) So, much better bang for your buck would be an i5 overclocked.

edit: and can I assume you are building the computer yourself?
 
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I pretty much agree with you on all this, but there's a couple of parts you didn't mention. They can quickly eat up the left over $150...and then some.

Power Supply

Storage Hard Drive

Case

Keyboard

Mouse

Monitor

OS

Now, the OP didn't mention if he has another computer system that he can get some of these parts from or not, but if he's building a completely new system, these are going to cost a bit.

True, but it sounded like he already had a computer, so monitor, keyboard and even storage HD could be reused. If it is a totally new computer, and including buying a screen, then 1000 dollars is not enough. A good screen alone costs 150 bucks easy. You would have to cut drastically on the graphics card and processor to afford it all. An SSD is non optional imo.. best buy for any PC.
 
True, but it sounded like he already had a computer, so monitor, keyboard and even storage HD could be reused. If it is a totally new computer, and including buying a screen, then 1000 dollars is not enough. A good screen alone costs 150 bucks easy. You would have to cut drastically on the graphics card and processor to afford it all. An SSD is non optional imo.. best buy for any PC.

I got the keyboard and the monitor already
 
I got the keyboard and the monitor already

Good :) and if you have a case with a powersupply that can do at least 500 watts.. then that can be reused as well .. well most likely :) Your present hard drive can become your storage drive.. that is what I did. Then again a 2 tb drive costs very little now days.
 
Good :) and if you have a case with a powersupply that can do at least 500 watts.. then that can be reused as well .. well most likely :) Your present hard drive can become your storage drive.. that is what I did. Then again a 2 tb drive costs very little now days.

I really don't. The only computer I have got fried by lightning. The monitor is fine, but it destroyed every piece of the computer (plus TVs and all kinds of electronics).
 
I really don't. The only computer I have got fried by lightning. The monitor is fine, but it destroyed every piece of the computer (plus TVs and all kinds of electronics).

Sucks!.. get a surge protector! Well then a case and PSU plus harddrive is about 150 dollars I suspect..
 
Okay.

I finally got around to researching this lag problem that seems to plague Arma 3. The link you gave seems pretty knowledgeable, but there's a lot of other stuff out there about it, too. What it all seems to boil down to is this:

1. Any mid-range i5/i7 or better should be able to play the game well.
2. Any 500 series graphics card or better should be able to play the game well.
(I like Intel and Nvidia. If you prefer AMD, find the comparable hardware.)

But...

1. Some servers are crap and need to be avoided.
2. Some of the game's system files need to be tweaked.

So...

I think it's a waste of time trying to find the "best" hardware. Get the mid-range stuff you can afford. Do all the suggested tweaks. Figure out which servers are crap and give them a pass.

Better yet, play a better game. I'm thinking Arma 3 is a poorly-made game. If I have to go through all that stuff so I can get better than 10-15 fps in multiplayer, it's not worth the money I spent on it.
 
Sucks!.. get a surge protector! Well then a case and PSU plus harddrive is about 150 dollars I suspect..

Actually had one...doesn't really help with something producing enough electricity to power LA for a month lol. It was all covered by insurance though (good thing...we got a lot of lightening in Florida).
 
Okay.

I finally got around to researching this lag problem that seems to plague Arma 3. The link you gave seems pretty knowledgeable, but there's a lot of other stuff out there about it, too. What it all seems to boil down to is this:

1. Any mid-range i5/i7 or better should be able to play the game well.
2. Any 500 series graphics card or better should be able to play the game well.
(I like Intel and Nvidia. If you prefer AMD, find the comparable hardware.)

But...

1. Some servers are crap and need to be avoided.
2. Some of the game's system files need to be tweaked.

So...

I think it's a waste of time trying to find the "best" hardware. Get the mid-range stuff you can afford. Do all the suggested tweaks. Figure out which servers are crap and give them a pass.

Better yet, play a better game. I'm thinking Arma 3 is a poorly-made game. If I have to go through all that stuff so I can get better than 10-15 fps in multiplayer, it's not worth the money I spent on it.

Lol. So far arma 3/2 is the only game to deliver EXACTLY what I want from a game. True honest to god sandbox military/police multiplayer.

I remember by time playing takistan life...was great. Make some dope runs and use it to buy some AKs. Use the AKs to ambush a convoy of players trying to build a checkpoint. Scurry away like cowardly roaches before armor rolls up only to be strafed by an a10.

Or planning the perfect bank robbery only to be foiled by some random guy who was packing and wanted to be a hero. Or responding as a cop to a car theft only to be lead on a chase that ends in a shootout. Or when a friend got pulled over by a K-9 unit and 2 other cops, with all our coke btw. Led to an epic gun battle me killing a cop the detective and them brutally murdering the k9 in front of his handler...then being tased, cuffed, and executed by him lol.

God I miss that game.
 
I really don't. The only computer I have got fried by lightning. The monitor is fine, but it destroyed every piece of the computer (plus TVs and all kinds of electronics).

Ouch. Like PeteEU said, get a surge protector.

Here's a quick build I did:
Intel Core i5-4690K, MSI GeForce GTX 970 - System Build - PCPartPicker

This system should run anything that exists at 1080p with no problems whatsoever.

I also left out the case under the hopes that your current case still works. Note that the chosen motherboard is a full ATX motherboard, so you'd have to ensure your case is ATX compatible. (it probably is, unless it's a very small case) Otherwise, an equivalent mini-ATX or micro-ITX motherboard can be swapped in. (might even be cheapr!) Just make sure it's a Z97 chipset if you intend to overclock. You might also want to measure the height available above your CPU for a cooler - the Hyper212 is pretty freaking huge, here's an alternative for a small case:
Cooler Master Vortex Plus 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (RR-VTPS-28PK-R1) - PCPartPicker

I chose a motherboard with the capacity for a second graphics card, as that is a good future upgrade option: add a second GPU of the same type. Not at all necessary right now if you are going with a GTX 970 for 1080p gaming. 2x GTX 970s is something you'd only use for higher resolutions: 1440p/1600p, triple-monitor gaming, 4K, etc.

Speaking of overclocking, if you aren't comfortable with it, you can drop the 4690k to a 4690. (same chip, just not unlocked for OCing), and then also drop the motherboard to an H97 equivalent. And drop the aftermarket cooler entirely. But a gamer should overclock, it's pretty easy to do these days and makes a decent difference in performance. The 4690k can trivially overclock to 4ghz, (plus its turbo boost to ~4.3 which will be excellent for a single-thread game like ARMA), thus matching (probably outperforming) the i7. For quite a bit less money! I've got a generation back, the 4670k, and I have it running at 4.2ghz.

You can probably shave a few bucks here and there. Look for components on sale, equivalent parts that cost less, etc. You can probably get away with a 450w power supply also. (the GTX 970 is surprisingly efficient!) Don't cheap out on a power supply ever. If a power supply seems substantially cheaper than other ones of the same wattage rating, it's probably because it's a piece of ****. Bad power supplies can cause all sorts of instability, system crashes, and they are the one part in the machine that can fail and take everything else with it.

A GTX 760 is a cheaper graphics card option, save more than a hundred bucks and it is still more than sufficient for 1080p gaming. With that savings...

Strongly consider buying an SSD. It is THE SINGLE BEST UPGRADE ANY HUMAN BEING CAN MAKE TO A COMPUTER IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE. It wont improve FPS in video games, but it will dramatically reduce loading times for all applications. Windows boots up in a few seconds, web browsers and office programs open up instantly, and game levels load way, way faster. However, don't cheap out on the SSD. Samsung's 840 Evo is a clear winner.

Buy a 250GB (or more) Samsung 840 EVO. Put the OS and a couple games on the SSD, everything else on the HDD. Swap games between HDD and SSD as needed. Make sure you get the latest firmware update, they had some issue that caused performance issues over time.
 
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General building tips for all DPers:
ALL OF THIS CHANGES. Prices fluctuate, new things come out. In six months, there might be better GPU/CPU options. For example, Nvidia is expected to release an 8GB version of the GTX 980 and 970 in the near future which might be worth considering. Doesn't do a whole lot right now, virtually no games even cap out the current 4GB model, but the new console generation has 8GB VRAM so we might start to see developers utilize that a bit more. Eventually. Maybe. It's hard to say, because both new consoles also massively ****ed up in choice of a CPU.

CPU: AMD or Intel?
Intel. Hands down. This isn't me being an Intel fanboy. AMD used to have some good options for budget builds, good bang for the buck, the first several PCs I build were AMD CPUs. This is no longer the case. Price:performance, Intel wins at every level until you get all the way down to the extreme low end of processors, and if you're trying to spend that little on a new PC, you're honestly better off going to Best Buy and getting a cheap Dell or something. At the higher end, it's not even close. In single-thread performance, which is key for gamers, Intel blows AMD out of the park.

For gamers, the i5 is a far better choice than the i7. The i7 costs more and it's major feature is hyperthreading which does absolutely nothing for a gamer. i5's even overclock better.

GPU:
It's hard to beat Nvidia's GTX 970 right now. It's an absolute beast at $330 MSRP. At 1080p, it will run absolutely any game out there at max settings. Even Watch_Dogs, that unoptimized piece of garbage spewed out by Ubisoft. It also overclocks beautifully. I don't know what sort of voodoo magic Nvidia has come up with on power consumption, it only draws 150 watts, so it runs cool and quiet. For many, $330 is a lot for a graphics card, there are definitely other options out there. AMD dropped the prices on a bunch of their cards in response to the release of the 970. Wise decision, it was outperforming GPUs that cost twice as much. Check the wattage if you're considering a cheaper GPU: the 970 actually uses less power than a lot of the lower-performing cards. Especially AMD/Radeon. The 290, which is about ~60-70 bucks cheaper, uses another hundred watts of power. Eventually you could literally eat up the difference in electric bills! The Radeon 290X is closer in performance to the GTX 970, but still loses out. And uses over 300 watts to Nvidia's 150. And costs more.

You see why I'm recommending this card.

For the budget conscious, I recommend a GTX 760 or an R9-280. They can still handle Ultra settings on many games, High on ones they can't. They are absolutely sufficient for 1080p gaming and will save over a hundred bucks.

Motherboards:
Not a whole lot to say here. Go with a decent manufacturer and see that it has what you want on the board. (number of GPU slots, in case you want to do two-or-more graphics cards, number of USB slots, SATA slots for HDD/SSDs, etc) Avoid any motherboard with a "Killer" brand NIC. (ethernet slot) These have crappy drivers or something and they crash computers.

I prefer ATX or mini-ATX, make sure the case you get is compatible.

ASRock, MSI, Asus are my favored manufacturers.

Memory:
Honestly, RAM makes little difference for a gamer. Get at least 8GB, should handle most anything. DDR3-1600 is plenty. Faster RAM does basically nothing for gamers, so don't go with faster RAM unless there's a good sale or something. (seriously, you will maybe see 1FPS increase for more expensive, faster RAM)

SSD:
Huge quality of life improvement for any machine. Samsung's 840 EVO series or Intel's 530 series are great. Awesome performance, reliable. Pricier than some of the others, but seriously don't buy OCZ or Crucial. OCZ makes ultra performance Xxxtreeeeme blingy ****. And it's ****. They make cheap hardware run way harder than it should, resulting in high failure rates. Crucial straight-up lied about a data protection feature on their drives: it doesn't exist on the consumer models. If you get the 840 EVO, make sure you get the latest firmware update. There's a performance loss-over-time issue that those drives ended up having. Easy, quick fix with a software package on their website.

As I wrote in a previous post: A SSD IS THE SINGLE BEST UPGRADE ANYONE CAN MAKE TO A COMPUTER IF THEY DONT ALREADY HAVE ONE.


edit: Note that all of these suggestions are aimed at gamers. People who do professional graphics/video/photo work might absolutely benefit from an i7
 
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Dont buy an i7.. simply not worth the money if you ask me.. there is massive diminishing returns with an i7. A high end i5 that can be overclocked is just as good for almost all games out there. AMD got some okay chips for cheap money.. kinda. AMD FX-9XXX are the best.

Most of this info can be gotten on Tom's Hardware: Hardware News, Tests and Reviews

Processor wise stick to Intel (for now). The i5-4460 is the best price and performance, but the i5-4690 is best for overclocking. Differences are 180 bucks for the first 240 for the second.

8 GB ram, 1666 mhz minimum. Faster ram = better. You could go 12 or 16 GB ram, but I have yet to see any game or program other than servers that actually use more than 8 GB of ram.

SSD. A must now days and they are cheap now days. 120 GB minimum, but 240 GB is not much more. Gaming performance can be enhanced with an SSD, but depends on the game. Not sure about ARMA as I have never played it. 500mb read and write is a minimum, but most are that these days. Samsung make some great SSDs.

Then there is the graphics card and they are almost more expensive than all the above items put together. You can basically buy your self into the poor house with graphics cards.

At the moment one of the best graphics cards out there is the GeForce GTX 970.. it costs 300+ dollars or so.

For the more reasonable price range, the best card is probably the ATI Radeon R9 270X.. with the 280 and 290 versions being better but also more expensive.

In 6 months time, all these should have been replaced and the price been cut considerably.

However the ARMA site says that they recommend a GeForce GTX 660 or Radeon HD 7760.. and they are relatively old cards and can be gotten rather cheaply.

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

This list shows as of November the best out there. Forget the FirePro ones... just check the price /grin. But all this can change big time in 6 months.

So 240$ for a processor, 100$ or so for a motherboard, 60$ for ram, 100$ for SSD and 350$ for a Graphics card .. give or take.. thats about 850 bucks. You can go lower by taking a high end mid tier graphics card, which would be around 200-250$.

I bought a DIY setup from newegg that had quality components in it, but my one regret now (that I didn't realize then) was it came with a 60GB SSD. Do NOT get anything that small. I put my OS on it, and other **** get put on there by default because it's C:. I'm getting low memory messages on that all the time, though I haven't noticed any huge issues. Frankly I don't know how to fix it outside of buying a larger SSD and reinstall ing the OS.
 
I bought a DIY setup from newegg that had quality components in it, but my one regret now (that I didn't realize then) was it came with a 60GB SSD. Do NOT get anything that small. I put my OS on it, and other **** get put on there by default because it's C:. I'm getting low memory messages on that all the time, though I haven't noticed any huge issues. Frankly I don't know how to fix it outside of buying a larger SSD and reinstall ing the OS.

Yep less than 90 GB SSD is computer suicide.

One thing you could do, is move your c:/user/YOURNAME/documents to another drive.. along with downloads, pictures, music, video and so on. They can be moved relatively harmelessly if you do it the correct way. When I install an OS on a SSD and there is a normal drive in too, this is what I always do so to save space but also prolong the life of the SSD. Plus it makes it a hell of a lot easier to reinstall as all you have to do is repoint the documents folder to the normal drive again and everything pretty much works again.
 
Yep less than 90 GB SSD is computer suicide.

One thing you could do, is move your c:/user/YOURNAME/documents to another drive.. along with downloads, pictures, music, video and so on. They can be moved relatively harmelessly if you do it the correct way. When I install an OS on a SSD and there is a normal drive in too, this is what I always do so to save space but also prolong the life of the SSD. Plus it makes it a hell of a lot easier to reinstall as all you have to do is repoint the documents folder to the normal drive again and everything pretty much works again.

I have a 1TB harddrive that came with it as well. I put everything I can on that, but it isn't enough. There are things you just don't have control over. The 60 GB was partitioned by Windows for a backup section too.
 
I have a 1TB harddrive that came with it as well. I put everything I can on that, but it isn't enough. There are things you just don't have control over. The 60 GB was partitioned by Windows for a backup section too.

Hmm odd, my Windows 8 install including all programs/apps minus games is only 50 GB.
 
Hmm odd, my Windows 8 install including all programs/apps minus games is only 50 GB.

Yeah, it's not completely full but it's bitching at me. I have Win 7 professional.
 
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