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Xbox One and PS4

Considering all this, it seems like Microsoft is hoping brand loyalty will get them through. I don't have such loyalties. I will buy whichever system I believe to be the best value and right now it's looking like the playstation.

I was really looking forward to the Xbox and the kinnect but all of this oppressive DRM stuff I'm hearing (if true) makes it a tough pill to swallow.
 
Your Star said:
See, I have no problem with no backwards compatibility. I have my PS3, and 360, if I want to play those games, I'll just play them on there. No real issue for me.
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I skipped out on PS3 due to pricing, though.

Now that they've gone affordable / reasonable, I might want to come back to their fold. Apparently they will have some means to play PS3 games next year... but you'll be streaming them, like OnLive.


Also, it can in fact be a pain in the ass to have all of these systems hooked up or even stored next to your TV. My SNES is in my office closet, as is my N64 - I sold my Gamecube because I have a Wii which can play all of those games. PSX - got rid of it, I can play all of those games on my PS2 and they benefit from a faster load time. I rather liked this trend.

PS3 started out having backwards compatibility but dropped the feature. XBox360 had piss poor and incomplete backwards compatibility with so many of my XBox titles.
 
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The General said:
And the Wii u is $299, I may rent a PS4 to play Kingdom Hearts 3. But I still only have a game cube and 3DS.
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The Wii U isn't really a "next gen" console though, as it is only slightly more powerful than the 360.
 
:lamo Just a punch to the gut of Microsoft.

 
Fiddytree said:
Possibly, and this is what I am paying attention to the most. Microsoft thought it was a good idea to make Live Gold a prerequisite to gain access to material that you are already paying for-making themselves the incredibly useless middlemen. If Sony also does this, then I am saying screw it

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While my heart may break for gamers to a certain extent, there is very little excuse to putting yourselves as the middlemen to content you should not be charging me extra for. Roku devices don't do this shady crap, and neither should game consoles.
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Sony isn't doing that, though. The PS+ requirement is only to game online. They made a point of stating, during their press conference, that everything else, netflix, internet browsing, whatever, is available to everyone who owns a PS4. You only get PS+ if you want to play multiplayer games.

From a gaming perspective, Microsoft could still salvage their situation by throwing their wallet at the problem. If they buy out enough good studios and end up with more/better exclusive games than Sony they can stay alive and possibly even end up ahead in the long run. You've just laid out a great argument for not buying either console for non-gamers, so these platforms will likely survive on the health of their library. If Microsoft is willing to gamble on a better library than Sony, it could pay off.
 
Your Star said:
:lamo Just a punch to the gut of Microsoft.
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This video is fantastic. It demonstrates my favorite part of the direction Sony is going with their new console, though. Microsoft seems afraid to directly mention or oppose their obvious competitors, instead hoping to 'win' by making what they think is a better product and sticking with their vision of the future, even when the consumers don't like it (see: windows 8). Sony, on the other hand, readily admitted that they messed some things up with the PS3, pointed out how they've fixed them with the PS4, and has been very receptive to popular demand in regards to DRM and online requirements. Sony is at least pretending to be a business that listens to its customers, and I like that.
 
The XBone doesn't have enough in terms of specs or features to justify $100 more than a PS4. Point in fact its current "features" of bizarre content control where I don't seem to own my own games even after I buy them... mean it would need to cost less than the PS4 in order to be attractive at all.
 
Your Star said:
The Wii U isn't really a "next gen" console though, as it is only slightly more powerful than the 360.
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It is still cheaper and have game play the other counsels are unable to copy. I would say that is next gen.
 
The Wii U is overpriced for the coming generation of consoles and Nintendo should not have released it when they did. At that price point they are completely unable to compete in this market, and the system has a dearth of games even now this long after launch.

The new Xeno game looks amazing, but not coming out until 2014... and even then, probably only in Japan, with additional delays for localization.


Nintendo has the stink of failure on them as well this gen; for their sakes they had better have saved enough of that casual gamer Wii money to stay alive as a company long enough to try again in 4-6 years... and at that point, if they don't have something amazing up their sleeves, you can stick a fork in them.
 
does the PS4 get youtube
 
The General said:
It is still cheaper and have game play the other counsels are unable to copy. I would say that is next gen.
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Actually, the other consoles are able to have that kind of gameplay. Both consoles will be able to connect with your phones, and tablets to provide a second scree experience.
 
I still haven't decided honestly. I like a lot of the features of Xbox. with a better Kinnect and it shipping with every console they could potentially makes some fantastic things out of it.

My xbox is already always online, I don't really buy or sell used games very often. If I don't think it's worth the money for a new game I'll wait a year until the price drops. DRM doesn't bother me.

The main thing is those things better have some "bright spots" that make my gaming experience better...not just something that is a negative to me and a positive to Microsoft and publishers.

I think ultimately game prices will drop faster for Microsoft titles due to protections.
 
0bserver92 said:
It's why I don't play consoles, I can have the best of everything.
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But not everything is on the PC, wouldn't the best of everything be a good PC rig and all consoles on the same TV? (If the couch is your thing, I'm into standing desks when I game unless I'm using a racing wheel & pedals)
 
Lachean said:
But not everything is on the PC, wouldn't the best of everything be a good PC rig and all consoles on the same TV? (If the couch is your thing, I'm into standing desks when I game unless I'm using a racing wheel & pedals)
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I play on a desk with a 27" monitor, I hate couches. PCs may not have some games but we have almost all of them. and now even more will be as games will be developed for PC and ported for the PS4 and Xbox One instead of the other way around like it currently is. We have our own games aswell along with modding.
 
0bserver92 said:
I play on a desk with a 27" monitor, I hate couches. PCs may not have some games but we have almost all of them. and now even more will be as games will be developed for PC and ported for the PS4 and Xbox One instead of the other way around like it currently is. We have our own games aswell along with modding.
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Well I've always had consoles too because I didn't want to miss out on anything like the Metal Gear, Resident Evil series, or games like Red Dead Redemption. PC's may be the only place for MOBAs, RTS, real MMOs and better shooters, but when it comes to racing and sports games the consoles do it better.

While I hate console ports, there will still be consoles exclusives like Final Fantasy XV. I don't like to miss out on any great games personally.
 
Lachean said:
Well I've always had consoles too because I didn't want to miss out on anything like the Metal Gear, Resident Evil series, or games like Red Dead Redemption. PC's may be the only place for MOBAs, RTS, real MMOs and better shooters, but when it comes to racing and sports games the consoles do it better.

While I hate console ports, there will still be consoles exclusives like Final Fantasy XV. I don't like to miss out on any great games personally.
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I would rather sink my money in having a beast of a machine instead of forking out the same amount for incredibly out of date hardware. We also have a lot of good indie games and FPS are far better on PC as you have a mouse I also can't forget mods. Games like Skyrim would suck if couldn't mod them. I don't care about Metal Gear and we have Resident Evil on PC. It's the price you pay for having far superior control, versatility, and much better hardware. Racing games are available on PC and you just plug in a controller then your good.
 
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0bserver92 said:
I would rather sink my money in having a beast of a machine instead of forking out the same amount for incredibly out of date hardware. We also have a lot of good indie games and FPS are far better on PC as you have a mouse I also can't forget mods. Games like Skyrim would suck if couldn't mod them. I don't care about Metal Gear and we have Resident Evil on PC. It's the price you pay for having far superior control, versatility, and much better hardware. Racing games are available on PC and you just plug in a controller then your good.
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...The point of a console is that you don't have to upgrade every 2 years and that the games are built specifically for the hardware in the console. I game on a PC, it is not the cheap option the majority of Americans would turn to because gaming rigs clock in at 1200+ (not 500 or 400 dollar price points (or incidentally the cost of just a gpu)).
 
Mr. E said:
...The point of a console is that you don't have to upgrade every 2 years and that the games are built specifically for the hardware in the console. I game on a PC, it is not the cheap option the majority of Americans would turn to because gaming rigs clock in at 1200+ (not 500 or 400 dollar price points (or incidentally the cost of just a gpu)).
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You get what you pay for, a PC costs more but is superior in almost every way. The only thing is you can't have console tech lag behind by several years because it brings the overall quality of games down.
 
[Update] CONFIRMED: Microsoft To Drop Used Game Restrictions, Online Requirements - News - www.GameInformer.com

o, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means: An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games– After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
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Mr. E said:
...The point of a console is that you don't have to upgrade every 2 years and that the games are built specifically for the hardware in the console. I game on a PC, it is not the cheap option the majority of Americans would turn to because gaming rigs clock in at 1200+ (not 500 or 400 dollar price points (or incidentally the cost of just a gpu)).
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When keeping the same monitor, keyboard/mouse, case+ps and audio equipment and sound cards I almost never spend more than $800 building a MAXED out PC (mobo, proc, ram and video card) that lasts me at least 4 years before maybe a graphics card upgrade.
 
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