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How Microsoft Can Give Windows 8 a Boost

PeteEU said:
Microsoft: Windows 8 outselling Windows 7 | News | PC Pro

just google it instead of getting a hissy fit.
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windows8 did outsell 7 initially,but its upgrade cost was a severe fraction of the windows 7 cost,which incentivised alot of people to try it.

overall market share is worse over the same timeframe than vista,arguably the second worst windows os ever made(it barely beats me which crashed 95% of the time)

any os that competes with vista for low market usage and widespread rejection isnt succesful.its initial sales were high,but overall usage instantly dropped,and windows 8 has boosted sales ofwindows 7.

so far over 40% of the desktop users refuse to adopt windows 8,and opted for windows 7,followed by xp which is a decade old,then even macos seems to have a higher market share.


face it by usage standards windows 8 is microsofts biggest failure since windows me,it even beat vista in widespread rejection.

DailyTech - Windows 8 Usage Sinks Below Vista Levels
 
Mycroft said:
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What kind of Win8 are you running that you can only multitask two applications?

I'm running Win8 Pro on a two monitor system and, right now, I have a modern ui app showing Al Jazeera...full screen on one monitor, my browser on the other monitor with a flash video running in one tab while I type this in another. I also have BT downloading. Not to mention all the other monitoring processes going on.

I'm multitasking my ass off.
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im sorry im not speaking of dual monitors,im speaking of metro which tries to focus on a single task at a time,like an android phone.

when i run my computer,i usually have around 5-6 apps running and 5-8 internet tabs.doing that on a touchscreen setup like metro is likeusing a unicycle over my car,there is no logic or point,its only good for systems restricted to touchscreen like mobile apps,whereas in desktops and laptops touchscreen can and never will be more efficient than mouse and keyboard,there are proablymany technologies that couldreplace them,touchscreen isnt one,unless you enjoy taking 10times as long to do the simplest tasks and having equal to one mouse button.


IF I WANTED ONE MOUSE BUTTON FUNCTION ID BUY A apple lisa OR A IBM #*^ WITH WINDOWS 2.0technologyimproving does not mean eliminating the need for use of effecient functions by replacing them with much less efficient means,its like arguing how a shovelis better than a tractor.
 
beerftw said:
im sorry im not speaking of dual monitors,im speaking of metro which tries to focus on a single task at a time,like an android phone.

when i run my computer,i usually have around 5-6 apps running and 5-8 internet tabs.doing that on a touchscreen setup like metro is likeusing a unicycle over my car,there is no logic or point,its only good for systems restricted to touchscreen like mobile apps,whereas in desktops and laptops touchscreen can and never will be more efficient than mouse and keyboard,there are proablymany technologies that couldreplace them,touchscreen isnt one,unless you enjoy taking 10times as long to do the simplest tasks and having equal to one mouse button.


IF I WANTED ONE MOUSE BUTTON FUNCTION ID BUY A apple lisa OR A IBM #*^ WITH WINDOWS 2.0technologyimproving does not mean eliminating the need for use of effecient functions by replacing them with much less efficient means,its like arguing how a shovelis better than a tractor.
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Oh...I get you...I think.

It sounds like you see the modern ui (metro) as being Win8. It is...but it's only part of Win8. You can actually switch, on-the-fly, to the more familiar windows desktop at the press of a key or the click of a mouse. That's where you can have all your apps and tabs multitasking. In the modern ui interface, you can have two apps displayed at the same time, however, you can still have more apps running and switching them to the display is no harder than a press or a click as well. And, whether you have a touch or non-touch monitor...or multiple monitors...it only takes a swipe or a click. Quick and easy.

Frankly, I suspect you don't know much about Win8 if it takes you ten times as long to do things. I don't have such problems.

btw, this functionality is equally available whether you are using Win8 on a phone, tablet, laptop, AIO, full blown desktop...or any of the hybrids or new formfactors to come. That's the real beauty of Win8. You don't need a different OS for each device type.

I see the difference between using Win7 and Win8 as being more like using a Ford Fiesta and a Cadilac CTS-V Wagon.
 
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beerftw said:
windows8 did outsell 7 initially,but its upgrade cost was a severe fraction of the windows 7 cost,which incentivised alot of people to try it.

overall market share is worse over the same timeframe than vista,arguably the second worst windows os ever made(it barely beats me which crashed 95% of the time)

any os that competes with vista for low market usage and widespread rejection isnt succesful.its initial sales were high,but overall usage instantly dropped,and windows 8 has boosted sales ofwindows 7.

so far over 40% of the desktop users refuse to adopt windows 8,and opted for windows 7,followed by xp which is a decade old,then even macos seems to have a higher market share.


face it by usage standards windows 8 is microsofts biggest failure since windows me,it even beat vista in widespread rejection.

DailyTech - Windows 8 Usage Sinks Below Vista Levels
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Yup. Im telling you they need to make MAJOR changes for this OS to survive.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Yup. Im telling you they need to make MAJOR changes for this OS to survive.
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Regardless the major changes you want...and won't get...I think you'll see major changes to come in the types of devices...the types of control and interaction...that will show that Win8, as it is now or with updates, is the OS of the future and that it'll survive quite well.

You would be best served in learning Win8...forgetting what you know about "Start Buttons", "Aero" and the like. The future is coming whether you resist it or not.
 
Mycroft said:
Regardless the major changes you want...and won't get...I think you'll see major changes to come in the types of devices...the types of control and interaction...that will show that Win8, as it is now or with updates, is the OS of the future and that it'll survive quite well.

You would be best served in learning Win8...forgetting what you know about "Start Buttons", "Aero" and the like. The future is coming whether you resist it or not.
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:no: You are wrong. Windows 8 is crap for PCs. What YOU think and what is REALITY are opposite. Hardware mfg's want Win8 off their machines so they will sell more units. If I bought a new piece of hardware with Win8 I would reformat the drive and install Linux or Windows 7. In no way am I going to become bothered learning, adjusting and becoming less productive because of Windows 8. My cousin bought a new laptop with Win8 and the first thing we did was get rid of the OS. She hated it. Her classmates hated it. No one in her school will touch it and they all recommed going to Apple or sticking with Windows 7.

Nearly every single article out there shows PROOF that NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS 8!
 
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:no: You are wrong. Windows 8 is crap for PCs. What YOU think and what is REALITY are opposite. Hardware mfg's want Win8 off their machines so they will sell more units. If I bought a new piece of hardware with Win8 I would reformat the drive and install Linux or Windows 7. In no way am I going to become bothered learning, adjusting and becoming less productive because of Windows 8. My cousin bought a new laptop with Win8 and the first thing we did was get rid of the OS. She hated it. Her classmates hated it. No one in her school will touch it and they all recommed going to Apple or sticking with Windows 7.

Nearly every single article out there shows PROOF that NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS 8!
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And most articles are written by Apple fanboys on Apple fanboy sites. If you take those articles out of the picture, then you get a whole different picture. Look at a site like CNET. There are a lot of anti-Windows 8 articles there, often written by very pro-Apple journalists. And then there is the odd article that praises Windows 8, and that is often written by the least biased of all the journalists on the site. CNET, Engadget and especially The Verge are all extremely pro Apple sites and everyone else, especially Microsoft.. basically suck in their eyes.

Let me give you an example. The iPhone always gets top marks on these sites, where as Android phones get just below at best. They even tried to say that the iPhone 5 was as good as the Galaxy 3.... which pissed off most people who frequent those sites. And when you look at the reviews, it is often baffling how on earth that can be. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus got high marks, but was marked down for not having an SD slot on these sites. The iPhone was never marked down for this.... now that is some bias there. There are many such things. iOS was never marked down for its poor notification system, but Android phones were if the manufacture overlay was so called not up scratch for some reason. iOS is always touted as smooth as silk, when anyone who actually has used an iPhone knows very well it aint. But when an underpowered Android phone with a lot of bloatware on lags a bit, then it is rubbish.

Point is, these "experts" are often high biased towards Apple products and the Apple "idea", and that is what Windows 8 is threatening. They go on and on and on about how few apps there are in the Windows Store (yes 35+k apps is now "few"), and compare it to Apple. But what they almost never mention is the fact that in Windows 8 you dont need the Windows Store and can run 99% of the programs you could run on Windows 7 and Vista.. hell most from XP as well. That suddenly means that the amount of apps/programs for Windows 8 dwarfs that available for Macs. Or the classic.. these sites going after Microsoft for not allowing other browsers but IE (or using its engine) on its RT platform. First off they often write Windows 8.. not Windows 8 RT, hence saying that it is all Windows 8 (an utter lie) but then they forget to mention that it has been so on Apple iOS since forever. Much bias there.. nooo..

Or the articles you linked about bad PC sales. Many of them never mention that Apple also lost sales to tablets, or that PC sales still dwarf tablets.. and that Windows 7 and 8 and XP still individually run on more PCs than Apple OSX. Hell even Vista run on more PCs than OSX. Point is, these articles are highly negative towards Microsoft, not PC's as a whole.. it is a hatchet job against Microsoft with flimsy facts taken out of context.

And then there are those who focus all their energy on the missing Start icon (not been around since Windows XP btw) and do not even contemplate the changes in Windows 8 that are brilliant. I run both Windows 8 and Windows 7 pcs and I get annoyed now on my Windows 7 PC when I have to find files with the Windows File Manager or whatever it is called. I miss the new Windows 8 features.

And for the record.. yet again.. Windows 8 aint perfect and I rarely use the metro interface.. not because I hate it, but because I dont need to use the metro interface to do the things I do on my PC. I would rather use my browser to see a site than use and app.. that is my choice.... notice the "choice" part. No one is forcing you to use the metro interface if you dont want too.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
:no: You are wrong. Windows 8 is crap for PCs. What YOU think and what is REALITY are opposite. Hardware mfg's want Win8 off their machines so they will sell more units. If I bought a new piece of hardware with Win8 I would reformat the drive and install Linux or Windows 7. In no way am I going to become bothered learning, adjusting and becoming less productive because of Windows 8. My cousin bought a new laptop with Win8 and the first thing we did was get rid of the OS. She hated it. Her classmates hated it. No one in her school will touch it and they all recommed going to Apple or sticking with Windows 7.

Nearly every single article out there shows PROOF that NO ONE WANTS WINDOWS 8!
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I guess you are not reading the right articles. You really should broaden your range...try to get away from the hater articles and look at facts.

For instance, check out these two announcements:

Vizio showcases 11.6-inch Windows 8 tablet, Android 4.1 smartphones | Windows 8 Forums

Lenovo Adds Touch to Laptops for Windows 8 | Windows 8 Forums

Lenovo is now the biggest selling hardware manufacturer of PC gear. Surely they are doing something right. Do you honestly think they don't know what they are doing by revamping their line for Win8? Or, do you suggest they'll go down the tubes like you seem to think MS will?

And, Vizio has made a lot of money selling inexpensive gear. They know what sells. Them coming out with Win8 stuff should tell you something.

I don't know, dude...so far, all you've come up with are general, unsubstantiated statements about how the industry doesn't like Win8, irrelevant statements about what you would do if you ever had Win8 (that alone tells me that you've never used it and, therefore, really don't know what you are talking about) and, of course, the reaction of your cousin and her friends...all third hand anecdotes from my perspective.

Heck, I can come up with an anecdote myself. I gave my older son Win8 Pro for Christmas. He's a hardcore PC FPS gamer. He designs maps for games. You DON'T want to run into him in BF3...LOL!! Anyway, he loves it. His computer (which he built himself, btw) runs faster and more stable than ever and Win8 has an app for Steam that is his go-to portal into that system. He won't go back to Win7...he doesn't need to...he has a better Win7 and the great stuff in Win8. All in one package.
 
Sv: How Microsoft Can Give Windows 8 a Boost

Mycroft said:
I guess you are not reading the right articles. You really should broaden your range...try to get away from the hater articles and look at facts.

For instance, check out these two announcements:

Vizio showcases 11.6-inch Windows 8 tablet, Android 4.1 smartphones | Windows 8 Forums

Lenovo Adds Touch to Laptops for Windows 8 | Windows 8 Forums

Lenovo is now the biggest selling hardware manufacturer of PC gear. Surely they are doing something right. Do you honestly think they don't know what they are doing by revamping their line for Win8? Or, do you suggest they'll go down the tubes like you seem to think MS will?

And, Vizio has made a lot of money selling inexpensive gear. They know what sells. Them coming out with Win8 stuff should tell you something.

I don't know, dude...so far, all you've come up with are general, unsubstantiated statements about how the industry doesn't like Win8, irrelevant statements about what you would do if you ever had Win8 (that alone tells me that you've never used it and, therefore, really don't know what you are talking about) and, of course, the reaction of your cousin and her friends...all third hand anecdotes from my perspective.

Heck, I can come up with an anecdote myself. I gave my older son Win8 Pro for Christmas. He's a hardcore PC FPS gamer. He designs maps for games. You DON'T want to run into him in BF3...LOL!! Anyway, he loves it. His computer (which he built himself, btw) runs faster and more stable than ever and Win8 has an app for Steam that is his go-to portal into that system. He won't go back to Win7...he doesn't need to...he has a better Win7 and the great stuff in Win8. All in one package.
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Only one thing I dislike more than Apple... and that is Steam!

Else yes, that Vizio is starting to make Windows 8 stuff is interestimg.
 
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PeteEU said:
Only one thing I dislike more than Apple... and that is Steam!

Else yes, that Vizio is starting to make Windows 8 stuff is interestimg.
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I don't really know anything about Steam...I play MMO's and, I haven't run into any that use Steam.

But when my son upgraded to Win8, everything he had from Steam was still right there and there were no conflicts or bothers. And then he found that app...Steam Tile...he likes it a lot. He can pin any of his Steam games to the Start screen so they are right there when he boots his PC. They are also live tiles that show his achievements and such. Pretty cool.

I'm really looking forward to what stuff is to come on the Win8 hardware front. I've seen reports of consumer motion control, we already have voice control for Apple and Android. I've seen a good 27" touch screen monitor from HP (still a little too expensive for my budget, though) and even some system that lets you control your tv with your eyes. This next year will be exciting for gear buffs like me. I've even decided to hold off getting a Win8 Pro tablet till at least the middle of next year. I expect better devices or cheaper prices. My Asus Android tablet will hold me over for a while longer.

But underlying all of that is Win8. I'll never go back to plain old Win7 again.
 
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Mycroft said:
I don't really know anything about Steam...I play MMO's and, I haven't run into any that use Steam.
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Be thankful for that... the idea behind steam is good, but the execution is beyond idiotic. It basically requires an internet connection to play non-internet based single player games and that pisses me off. There is an option to be "off-line" but you basically need to be online first to activate it since steam does not start up 50% of the time there is no internet connection. There is of course a bypass.. but still annoying.

Plus Steam owners are some of the biggest critics of Windows 8.. wonder why with the Windows Store :)

But when my son upgraded to Win8, everything he had from Steam was still right there and there were no conflicts or bothers. And then he found that app...Steam Tile...he likes it a lot. He can pin any of his Steam games to the Start screen so they are right there when he boots his PC. They are also live tiles that show his achievements and such. Pretty cool.
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Yep, but I dont think it is actually made by Steam... or Valve as the company is called. For one it actually works :lol:

I'm really looking forward to what stuff is to come on the Win8 hardware front. I've seen reports of consumer motion control, we already have voice control for Apple and Android. I've seen a good 27" touch screen monitor from HP (still a little too expensive for my budget, though) and even some system that lets you control your tv with your eyes. This next year will be exciting for gear buffs like me. I've even decided to hold off getting a Win8 Pro tablet till at least the middle of next year. I expect better devices or cheaper prices. My Asus Android tablet will hold me over for a while longer.

But underlying all of that is Win8. I'll never go back to plain old Win7 again.
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Same. I doubt I will buy a new PC for a couple of years.. my PC is a Sandy Bridge i5 2500k.. so should hold for a few years.. but a new touch screen might be in order. And you never know if I might go buy a laptop for my work.. have been thinking about it, but so far my Nexus 7 is just fine for the basic stuff.
 
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Another little tidbit for the Win8 naysayers:

Microsoft: 60 Million Windows 8 Licenses Sold | Windows 8 Forums

The article makes a good point that one should not dismiss:

"In part, Windows 8's less-than-stellar retail sales can be attributed to the lack of touch-enabled laptops and tablets running the operating system. At CES this week, a number of Microsoft's PC-maker partners have announced new touch-screen Windows 8 and Windows RT hardware, but a number of these still won't be available for months."

I've been following what products are being introduced at CES. Believe me, Win8 is playing a prominent role with some very interesting machines...including MS's own upcoming Surface Windows 8 Pro. Now that's a device I might be interested in. Also, of particular importance to me is the touch screen monitors being introduced. They are still a bit out of my price range, but I'll eventually add one to my existing dual monitor setup.

All in all, I'd say the future looks pretty bright for MS and Win8.
 
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Isn't the new xbox going to launch with windows8 ?

Agree about Steam though. Very good idea but the online thing kills it for me.

And I like the things I buy to actually be my own property ;-) Not like diablo3 where you don't own your actual character
 
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Fustercluck said:
Isn't the new xbox going to launch with windows8 ?
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Nope, but it should be coming out in 2013 and if the Samsung presentation was even remotely just a bit true, then it will be awesome.

Agree about Steam though. Very good idea but the online thing kills it for me.

And I like the things I buy to actually be my own property ;-) Not like diablo3 where you don't own your actual character
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You can play Steam offline.. and you own the games in Steam. Problem is the copyprotection system is Steam checking up on you.
 
PeteEU said:
Okay lets look at that.

1) on this point.. where is the documentation in the article that there are glitches.. actual real glitches and not Error 40 ... aka user glitches? I just fixed a Windows PC... it was an Error 40 .. the guy had installed a program that had corrupted some files. Was that Windows and Microsofts fault? Of course not. He should not have installed some PC boost anti-malware program that he did not need.

2) Windows 8 App Store Now Has 35,000 Apps

So 35k+ apps a few months after release.. that is "apps" designed for the metro interface. Add to that the hundreds of thousands if not millions of other programs that also work just fine with Windows 8 and you have an eco-system that dwarfs all others combined. This is not "fanboyism" but actual fact. And yet this guy and other Apple fan boy sites are whining over there are "no apps". First off its called programs and secondly there are far more programs for Windows 8 than there are for iOS and Mac OSX combined.

3) Improve an interface.. it is highly subjective. Most of the complainers are people who want the START button back. Well for 5 bucks you can get it back if you want. Not that the start button is gone... This argument is by far the most idiotic of them all if you ask me. And worst of all.. you dont NEED to use the metro interface at all. I barely use it as it is, but I enjoy it when I do. Just installed Adobe Reader for Windows 8.. nice and simple viewer. I also use the music and video app as well as the photo app. But mostly the start page is used to start non metro programs.. and so what? That is the whole purpose after all.

4) Marketing.. come on. You cant compete with Apple on marketing. Even when Apple does something stupid like its Maps, make an OS that does not work with wireless encryption, make a phone OS that cant tell time and so on and so on they manage to turn that into a positive almost. Plus most of the marketing Apple does is not done by Apple, but by websites like the OP and so called journalists who all use Apple products. Apple does not need to market anymore.. which can be see in its lame commercials.. because the media does it for them. It is a brilliant thing for Apple and no one can compete with it.

When Apple releases a new product, then TV is live at an Apple store promoting the brand... which was funny when they wanted to do that in China and there were no lines when Apple released the iPhone 5 and iPad 4.. 5 or whatever they are up to now.

Microsoft cant compete with that... no one can. Look at Android.. a far better OS and many phones that are superior in all ways to the iPhone. And yet, most review sites still rate an outdated OS like iOS as better and the iPhone as good or better than most Android phones. They are even still pushing the idea that the Apple App store is by far the biggest app store out there, when the actual fact is that the Google Play store is slightly behind with a few thousand apps.. if it has not passed the Apple App store.

And Microsoft has been the butt of hatred for decades and it shows in the media reports. The fact is that Windows 8 has sold more licenses than Windows 7 in the same period and even Windows XP. It has sold more copies that all the Macs in the world. And yet every article in the Apple friendly media is negative on sales!?! and negative on pretty much everything concerning Windows 8. It is Windows 8's fault that PC sales are down.. despite PC sales have been falling for years because of the tablet revolution. Come on. Microsoft and Google are in a no win situation as long as Apple has such a grip on the mass media. Apple is the biggest tax cheat on the planet, and yet it is Starbucks and Google and Amazon that get all the negative press when it comes to tax cheating.. err sorry avoidance.

So what Microsoft has done is to enlist celebrities and made catchy videos to promote their products. What is wrong with that? Everyone does it. Can they do better? Sure, but it is all about finding the right way. Samsung found it by making fun of Apple fanboys waiting in line for an outdated phone.. and Microsoft needs to find the same thing, but it is not easy.

And this is not an Apple rant, it is factual. Apple's marketing is cheap and brilliant and impossible to duplicate. So claiming that Microsoft needs "better marketing" is just idiotic.
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I'm running Win 8 on my home PC, and it works great. Possibly the most painless setup I've ever done. Only one of a couple of dozen of the programs I already had was not compatible, and for that one a compatible update was already available. Also, Chrome will run in RT (or "Modern UI") mode, which is nice. All of my devices were compatible.

Over 35,000 apps it begins to be superfluous. How many versions of email, radio, news, picture or video apps does one need? For every neat app I have on my android phone and tablet there is a corresponding Windows RT app already.
 
How can Microsoft give Windows 8 a boost? They could replace their marketing department for one... None of the great things about Metro are featured in advertising. It's much more than just a 'touch friendly start-button.' Microsoft surface ads? They're marketing it to kids, when the real value is for the workers. There's a huge market for an iPad that is compatible with every program and every file you'd run into in a working environment, and Microsoft should be selling it this way. My dad has much more use for a Surface than I do.

I was seriously doubtful of Windows 8. Replacing the start button with Metro seemed like an awful idea, but now that I'm accustomed to the changes I'm thoroughly pleased. Metro is much better than the start button in my opinion, and I'm using a non-touch device.
 
I think if they want to give Windows 8 a boost they need to show that they are actively fixing glitches and providing a stable product. I've not upgraded to Windows 8 and and probably won't for a while (unless I get a new laptop).
 
I know someone who got a new computer with Win8, couldn't even figure out how to set the thing up, and just took the computer back to the store and cancelled their registration in the class that was going to be online. It was more than just a "there is no start button" issue for them.
 
digsbe said:
I think if they want to give Windows 8 a boost they need to show that they are actively fixing glitches and providing a stable product. I've not upgraded to Windows 8 and and probably won't for a while (unless I get a new laptop).
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Glitches?

What glitches?

And stable? Win8 is the most stable OS that Microsoft has ever designed.

You don't seem to know what you are talking about.
 
Fisher said:
I know someone who got a new computer with Win8, couldn't even figure out how to set the thing up, and just took the computer back to the store and cancelled their registration in the class that was going to be online. It was more than just a "there is no start button" issue for them.
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I'm not saying the person you know is a dumbass or anything, but anyone who can't operate Win8 is a dumbass.
 
Boring Bob said:
How can Microsoft give Windows 8 a boost? They could replace their marketing department for one... None of the great things about Metro are featured in advertising. It's much more than just a 'touch friendly start-button.' Microsoft surface ads? They're marketing it to kids, when the real value is for the workers. There's a huge market for an iPad that is compatible with every program and every file you'd run into in a working environment, and Microsoft should be selling it this way. My dad has much more use for a Surface than I do.

I was seriously doubtful of Windows 8. Replacing the start button with Metro seemed like an awful idea, but now that I'm accustomed to the changes I'm thoroughly pleased. Metro is much better than the start button in my opinion, and I'm using a non-touch device.
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I agree with you...to a point.

The problem with the Surface RT is that it directly competes with all the Android and Apple tablets. It really is no better than those devices and they have more apps. But the Surface Pro will be coming out very soon plus all the other manufacturer's versions of Win8 pro tablets and THAT is where Win8 will shine...especially for businesses.

I have an Asus tablet (Jellybean) that I am very happy with, but I would LOVE to have a tablet that I could run my favorite Windows programs on. As soon as I see one that has the power I desire at the price I can live with, I'm dumping my Asus tablet off on one of my sons.
 
Mycroft said:
I agree with you...to a point.

The problem with the Surface RT is that it directly competes with all the Android and Apple tablets. It really is no better than those devices and they have more apps. But the Surface Pro will be coming out very soon plus all the other manufacturer's versions of Win8 pro tablets and THAT is where Win8 will shine...especially for businesses.

I have an Asus tablet (Jellybean) that I am very happy with, but I would LOVE to have a tablet that I could run my favorite Windows programs on. As soon as I see one that has the power I desire at the price I can live with, I'm dumping my Asus tablet off on one of my sons.
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Well, I happen to think that making a Surface RT at all was a mistake. I think Microsoft would have been best served to promote their Surface Pro as the standard, rather than the upgrade. Rather than trying to be better than an iPad at being an iPad (really all I see the Surface RT as), MS should have pointed out all of the things an iPad CAN'T do, point out it's relative uselessness, and then marketed the Surface Pro as something wholly superior. MS kept themselves limited to the same category as its competitors by introducing the RT (PS3 vs Xbox 360, for example) when they should have created a new category of product altogether with themselves as the only option (PS3 vs PS2). The Surface Pro isn't the Surface RT but better... the RT is just a neutered version of the Pro that MS introduced only because they wanted market share in a market they could have killed off if they'd stayed out.
 
I'm not a fan of metro either. Windows 7 seemed pretty close to being a perfect platform since XP, but of course MS has to go and mess it all up again.

My pet peeve is that when you buy a PC these days it comes pre-loaded with the current OS and it won't let you downgrade to a previous version of windows without formatting your hard drive completely. If the market is currently held by a ****ty OS then you are kind of stuck with it, especially if your warranty requires your computer to be in the original condition you bought it in.
 
Northern Light said:
I'm not a fan of metro either. Windows 7 seemed pretty close to being a perfect platform since XP, but of course MS has to go and mess it all up again.

My pet peeve is that when you buy a PC these days it comes pre-loaded with the current OS and it won't let you downgrade to a previous version of windows without formatting your hard drive completely. If the market is currently held by a ****ty OS then you are kind of stuck with it, especially if your warranty requires your computer to be in the original condition you bought it in.
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You don't HAVE to use the modern ui if you really don't want to, though it has some nice features you would be losing if you didn't. But Win8, as an OS has some great improvements over Win7...especially in networking, dual monitor support, stability and recovery from hangups (if you happen to run into any) and in a host of other areas.

In my opinion, anyone who prefers Win7 over Win8 is preferring an inferior OS.

btw, don't buy a pc...build one. It really is easy. (unless you need a laptop...then buy one)
 
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