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Windows Chief Leaving Microsoft: Huge Shakeup

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It's only been a few weeks since Windows 8 was officially launched—and already, the guy in charge of it has left Microsoft. Steve Sinofsky, who presented the new operating system at its launch and has had a 23-year career with the company, was Windows Division president. He's leaving "effective immediately," the Wall Street Journal reports via a Microsoft press release.
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Huge Shakeup: Windows Chief Leaving Microsoft - Steve Sinofsky exits weeks after Windows 8 launch
 
Well, the article gave some speculation as to why, but...given the direction MS is going with Win8...I think this has a lot to do with it:

Taking over Windows engineering will be Julie Larson-Green, "a specialist in user-interface design," according to an old Microsoft bio.
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From what I can gather, Microsoft is highly compartmentalized in its structure and its internal performance system discourages people from building strong teams because if the 4 best people in the field work on the same project, the 3rd and 4th best people get shafted by virtue of being on the same project as 1 & 2.
 
windows 8. It sucks. And not good for PC...
 
Rainman05 said:
windows 8. It sucks. And not good for PC...
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LOL. I could have told you that without ever having used it. Dumbing down the interface will naturally make it harder for people to use desktops for things people still use desktops for.
 
Fisher said:
LOL. I could have told you that without ever having used it. Dumbing down the interface will naturally make it harder for people to use desktops for things people still use desktops for.
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It's a stupid piece of software made to be used for smartphones. But because they delayed win8 release, they screwed over Nokia, with whom they partnered, throwing them deeper into the pit, and they also screwed themselves.
 
Rainman05 said:
It's a stupid piece of software made to be used for smartphones. But because they delayed win8 release, they screwed over Nokia, with whom they partnered, throwing them deeper into the pit, and they also screwed themselves.
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I don't disagree. X-box is about the only thing that is going to keep them afloat if this is the best they can come up with these days.
 
Fisher said:
I don't disagree. X-box is about the only thing that is going to keep them afloat if this is the best they can come up with these days.
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Nah... win7 is rather sweet. It just isn't enough. Xbox and win... and some software that companies use.
 
Fisher said:
LOL. I could have told you that without ever having used it. Dumbing down the interface will naturally make it harder for people to use desktops for things people still use desktops for.
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The fact that you've never used it explains your dumb assessment.
 
Mycroft said:
The fact that you've never used it explains your dumb assessment.
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Or the fact that I trust the opinion of my IT guy who says it is harder to work with if you use computers in more than a point and click way so I should not upgrade even though upgrading would put money in his pockets.
 
Fisher said:
Or the fact that I trust the opinion of my IT guy who says it is harder to work with if you use computers in more than a point and click way so I should not upgrade even though upgrading would put money in his pockets.
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LOL!!!

The only thing Win8 doesn't have that Win7 does is that useless start button. Even so, everything the start button did is still available.

shrug...

But you go ahead and believe your IT guy. I prefer to make up my own mind...and I've found that Win8 is a very good OS.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!!

The only thing Win8 doesn't have that Win7 does is that useless start button. Even so, everything the start button did is still available.

shrug...

But you go ahead and believe your IT guy. I prefer to make up my own mind...and I've found that Win8 is a very good OS.
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I prefer to keep my business operating using a lot of legacy software I cannot find replacements for requiring me to have 3 different servers already, but sure I will believe a guy on the internet instead of the guy who keeps me operating.....:roll:
 
Fisher said:
I prefer to keep my business operating using a lot of legacy software I cannot find replacements for requiring me to have 3 different servers already, but sure I will believe a guy on the internet instead of the guy who keeps me operating.....:roll:
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If your legacy software works with Win7 it'll work with Win8. But hey, if it doesn't work with Win7, I guess you are stuck with XP or maybe Win98. Too bad.
 
Fisher said:
Or the fact that I trust the opinion of my IT guy who says it is harder to work with if you use computers in more than a point and click way so I should not upgrade even though upgrading would put money in his pockets.
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Then your IT guy is an idiot..
 
Mycroft said:
If your legacy software works with Win7 it'll work with Win8. But hey, if it doesn't work with Win7, I guess you are stuck with XP or maybe Win98. Too bad.
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If it does not work in Windows 7, then it most likely is 16 bit... and then it is time to upgrade!
 
Windows 8 is not written for the home desktop or work PC, period. And it's not entirely ready for the touch market either. MS has done this sort of crap for ages. They release an unfinished product and then fill it in as time goes on. They blew it. What was needed was an OS for the touch market, and an OS for the desktop market. Very different needs.

That said, the enterprise is staying away from windows 8.
 
PeteEU said:
If it does not work in Windows 7, then it most likely is 16 bit... and then it is time to upgrade!
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What are you on about? You probably mean 32 bit and it doesn't matter anyway, win 7 like win 8 comes in both 32 and 64 bit versions. There are still vital apps business uses that are not available for 64 bit.

Win 7 still sucks in many regards compared to XP, but at least it's usable.
 
clownboy said:
What are you on about? You probably mean 32 bit and it doesn't matter anyway, win 7 like win 8 comes in both 32 and 64 bit versions. There are still vital apps business uses that are not available for 64 bit.
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I mean 16 bit software.. software designed for Windows 98 and before... heck even Windows 2000.

Win 7 still sucks in many regards compared to XP, but at least it's usable.
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LOL seriously... Windows 7 is miles better than XP on every front and Windows 8 is an improvement on that... especially on older machines.
 
clownboy said:
Windows 8 is not written for the home desktop or work PC, period. And it's not entirely ready for the touch market either. MS has done this sort of crap for ages. They release an unfinished product and then fill it in as time goes on. They blew it. What was needed was an OS for the touch market, and an OS for the desktop market. Very different needs.
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Bull****. Windows 8 is superior to Windows 7.. not by much but it is. It is faster, lighter and has advancements that the average user would like. Also it has made the OS much more user friendly.. especially for those that are afraid of technology.

That said, the enterprise is staying away from windows 8.
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Those that have upgraded to Windows 7.. yes no real reason to go to Windows 8 unless you are deploying secure devices among the workers and using Windows 8 tablets and phones.

Those that are still on XP... they will go to Windows 8 and they will do it soon. Support for XP is running out.
 
clownboy said:
Windows 8 is not written for the home desktop or work PC, period. And it's not entirely ready for the touch market either. MS has done this sort of crap for ages. They release an unfinished product and then fill it in as time goes on. They blew it. What was needed was an OS for the touch market, and an OS for the desktop market. Very different needs.

That said, the enterprise is staying away from windows 8.
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You are wrong. Win8 works exactly the same on a desktop as Win7...better, in fact. Win8, from what I've read, works very well for touch screens, though I don't have direct experience in that regard. As far as having different OS's for different markets, that's wrong as well. You should check this out:

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Acer Windows 8 All-in-Ones to nab PointGrab touch-less tech | News | TechRadar

I will agree that businesses will be slow to adopt Win8...just as they were slow to adopt 98, XP and Win7. It has more to do with money than dislike for the OS, though.

Face it...Win8 is here to stay and is the wave of the future. Get used to it or get left behind.
 
Mycroft said:
If your legacy software works with Win7 it'll work with Win8. But hey, if it doesn't work with Win7, I guess you are stuck with XP or maybe Win98. Too bad.
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Actually I have work stations dating all the way back to a 386's running QD2 as a stand alone to get access to some really old data, though most of the software I still keep WIN98 and XP computers for because Win7's virtual crap is crap with some of the older software despite what they say otherwise.
 
Well as someone in the tech sector, I downloaded and installed Win 8 Enterprise on my wifes kitchen computer last night. Before I installed it I did my research and knew about the shortcomings for power users like me. I can tell you that the issues for power desktop users as real and not imagined, and the people involved in the design of this OS should all be shot in the head.

Yes you can do all of the things you can with Windows 7 but NOW you have to take 3, 4, or 5 clicks to do what you used to be able to do in one click??? Huh? Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? I mean really, WHO made that call?

I called my wife in to test it out, and I was laughing at her as she tried to shut it down. I asked her to open task manager.. ROTFLMAO I said ok babe we need to install the network printer, can you figure out how to do that.. LOL I must admit I was having a good time with it, and watching her, but not in a good way. I then asked her at least pull up the start menu... ROTFLMAO on that one.. She still doesn't know where it is you know why? Because there is NO fricking start menu.. Genuises I tell ya.

Anyway, I saved her and set up her facebook with the cloud, and Netflix, and twitter, showed her where IE was, and also how to shut it down so she and the kids will be ok, but like iPad iOS, with Windows 8 I have a tablet OS on my kitchen desktop without a touchscreen monitor (I might add) and we'll be just fine. Me on the other hand cannot use it for anything remotely attached to being productive. Sorry, I like MS, but they really messed this one up when they practically owned the Business and Enterprise markets. This just might be the nail in that coffen I fear.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Well as someone in the tech sector, I downloaded and installed Win 8 Enterprise on my wifes kitchen computer last night. Before I installed it I did my research and knew about the shortcomings for power users like me. I can tell you that the issues for power desktop users as real and not imagined, and the people involved in the design of this OS should all be shot in the head.

Yes you can do all of the things you can with Windows 7 but NOW you have to take 3, 4, or 5 clicks to do what you used to be able to do in one click??? Huh? Who in their right mind thought that was a good idea? I mean really, WHO made that call?

I called my wife in to test it out, and I was laughing at her as she tried to shut it down. I asked her to open task manager.. ROTFLMAO I said ok babe we need to install the network printer, can you figure out how to do that.. LOL I must admit I was having a good time with it, and watching her, but not in a good way. I then asked her at least pull up the start menu... ROTFLMAO on that one.. She still doesn't know where it is you know why? Because there is NO fricking start menu.. Genuises I tell ya.

Anyway, I saved her and set up her facebook with the cloud, and Netflix, and twitter, showed her where IE was, and also how to shut it down so she and the kids will be ok, but like iPad iOS, with Windows 8 I have a tablet OS on my kitchen desktop without a touchscreen monitor (I might add) and we'll be just fine. Me on the other hand cannot use it for anything remotely attached to being productive. Sorry, I like MS, but they really messed this one up when they practically owned the Business and Enterprise markets. This just might be the nail in that coffen I fear.


Tim-
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Your wife's inability to learn to use an OS in no way reflects poorly on the OS...rather your wife's inability to learn.

I suggest you teach her how to right click the Win8 icon in the lower right of her screen.
 
Mycroft said:
Your wife's inability to learn to use an OS in no way reflects poorly on the OS...rather your wife's inability to learn.

I suggest you teach her how to right click the Win8 icon in the lower right of her screen.
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She doesn't need to learn it, all she needs is her facebook, IE, Netflix, and twitter, and news feeds. I'm her IT guy.. LOL

My point is that I'm fairly certain that the MS developers didn't actually test the reactions of real people when turning it on for the first time. Yes a guy like me can learn it, and I did in pretty much 2 hours figured out where they put everything I am used too, but a casual user will have realistically no ****ing idea how to install new hardware, delete files, customize, encrypt, hell you name it, anything outside of pointing (or touching) and clicking on an app tile will be completely foreign to them. :)


Tim-
 
Mycroft said:
You are wrong. Win8 works exactly the same on a desktop as Win7...better, in fact. Win8, from what I've read, works very well for touch screens, though I don't have direct experience in that regard. As far as having different OS's for different markets, that's wrong as well. You should check this out:

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Acer Windows 8 All-in-Ones to nab PointGrab touch-less tech | News | TechRadar

I will agree that businesses will be slow to adopt Win8...just as they were slow to adopt 98, XP and Win7. It has more to do with money than dislike for the OS, though.

Face it...Win8 is here to stay and is the wave of the future. Get used to it or get left behind.
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Ohhhh man. :doh Not this crap AGAIN! I said it before. Windows 8 will be either discontinued or changed drastically in 11 months. THe OS sucks for PCs and any IT guy that wants to bring it in-house should be fired. There is nothing wrong with Windows 7.
Why would you spend time RE-training people to use Windows 8!? Why confuse the hell out of them?!? They are there to do their tasks, NOT learn an OS.
I 100% guarantee Win8 is a freakin' disaster in the workplace. (and it sucks for a home PC too)
 
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