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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    Well.... At risk of a major violation....

    I present the racial slur database....

    The Racial Slur Database

    Some examples.

    Slur -- Target -- Reason & Origins

    8 Mile - Whites - When white kids try to act ghetto or "black". From the 2002 movie "8 Mile".

    ABC - Chinese - American-Born Chinese. An Americanized Chinese person who does not understand Chinese culture.

    Abeed - Blacks - Arabic term that means Black, many Middle Eastern immigrants to the United States use this

    Petrolero - Hispanics - Hispanics Who Are Attracted To Blacks. Means "Oil Drillers".

    The list is HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE..................

    You can slur and not know it.
    ABC can also mean "Anybody But Cowboys" so yes, that's a clear slur.

    Fled, is this really about how slurs are handled at DP or is it more about the ever expanding list of slurs in general? All this does is expand the expiration of infractions. It's not about how much they're going to infract the hell out of somebody who mentions the the movie "8 Mile", but rather its about someone who intentionally and repeatedly uses slurs.
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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Make no mistake this is a huge change, it will have a major impact on the culture here.

    We'll see how it goes.
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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fledermaus View Post
    You can slur and not know it.
    I disagree that it's likely that one can use a slur, AS a slur, and not realize that it's a slur.

    But lets say you do.

    Nothing new happens to you today than would have happened to you yesterday. You would receive a 5 point slur infraction with a 60 day expiration; the exact same thing that would have happened to you prior to me posting this.

    It would take someone essentially "slurring and knowing it" THREE TIMES over a two year period for any kind of extra action to be taken against them; and at that point, I think everyone would reasonably agree it starts begging the question if the person is really "not knowing it".

    If your issue is simply with the slur infraction itself, that's a separate issue and not necessarily appropriate with this thread. But the situation you're talking about....where THIS change in the rule impacts someone simply for accidentally unknowingly using a slur...is wholly implausible.

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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The slur rules are such that using a known slur in an offensive manner (ie, using the slur essentially as a slur / for the purpose of slurring) is punishable. Simply uttering the slur is not.

    In a music thread saying "I absolutely loved Nigga's in Paris when it came out" is not a violation. However, someone going "I can't stand rap. That nigger music sucks" would be.

    If you're linking to a list of slurs as part of some legitimate debate/discussion and not in a manner that appears to be for the purpose of delivering the slurs in an offensive/attacking manner, you'd probably be fine. However, understand that if it's being linked for reasons that aren't heavily tied to, or useful to, the debate/discussion being going on that, while it may not be a slur violation it could be trolling/baiting in nature.

    Sorry for the somewhat more vague answer to your specific situation, but the situation itself is a bit uncertain as there's a lot of context that could go into the situation and judgements about it.
    Question- Hate speech/slurs and increased penalty- is this to address the number of hateful threads from new members- possibly from Stormfront and other despicable sites??
    Seen a number of those.
    Last one for now- Can a person receive more than 1 infraction for a post??
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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Perhaps, but I would like clarification because I might use such a statement against a person or group in one of those 'protected groups' when I think it is warranted. Just because a person is in a 'protected group' does not necessarily make them in the right or as pure as the driven snow or whatever.
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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Make no mistake this is a huge change, it will have a major impact on the culture here.
    Sorry, but the facts of the matter just don't back up your initial assertion. As it relates to the user base, this is a miniscule change for the overwhelming majority of them. As I said, over 99% of the people who used the forum over the 6 month period I analyzed would not in any way be affected by this.

    If the culture is going to change, it's most likely going to change in the sense that these habitual distractions and negative individuals to the overall health of the forum will be deterred and/or removed rather than being allowed to game the system.

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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Question- Hate speech/slurs and increased penalty- is this to address the number of hateful threads from new members- possibly from Stormfront and other despicable sites??
    It's not specific to any current issue of new threads or new members, though it may have a side effect of dealing with some of them. However, such new posters that immediately start running afoul of major violations tend to be weeded out quickly. Those that fall into this category tend to be longer standing posters who, as described in the OP, cause these disruptions...then duck their head down for some time waiting for points to expire...to simply come back and repeat the cycle.

    I will note, some of the members in my analysis that I discovered would've been subject to these harsher penalties have ultimately already gotten themselves banned in other ways. Had this rule been in place, it simply would've expedited that process, saving moderator time and forum angst of dealing with the habitual offenders.

    Last one for now- Can a person receive more than 1 infraction for a post??
    Generally, no. Multiple violations may be identified in a post, and if those violations are of separate rules then they MAY be acted on concurrently (for example, if you flame someone AND you bypass the word censor in doing so). Typically this is either done by issuing the standard points for one of the infractions but noting the violation is for both, or going with a custom DBAJ infraction that notes both of the rule violations and gives you an enhanced point total but a total that would be less than infracting each thing separately.

    What never happens is an infraction being issued for each violation in a post separately for full points; IE if someone violates the word censor, flames someone, and violates 9a's fair use rules all in one post, they would never be issued 3 separate infractions, each worth 3 points. One infraction noting all three would be issued for 3 points, or for some form of enhanced points that would be greater than 3 but less than the 9 (likely 5). This is a RARE occurrence.

    Typically, if one infraction is clearly greater than the other, we'd only go with the greatest. For example, if someone made a post that qualified as Hate Speech and during it also flamed someone, they'd likely simply be hit with a 20 point hate speech infraction.

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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It's not specific to any current issue of new threads or new members, though it may have a side effect of dealing with some of them. However, such new posters that immediately start running afoul of major violations tend to be weeded out quickly. Those that fall into this category tend to be longer standing posters who, as described in the OP, cause these disruptions...then duck their head down for some time waiting for points to expire...to simply come back and repeat the cycle.

    I will note, some of the members in my analysis that I discovered would've been subject to these harsher penalties have ultimately already gotten themselves banned in other ways. Had this rule been in place, it simply would've expedited that process, saving moderator time and forum angst of dealing with the habitual offenders.



    Generally, no. Multiple violations may be identified in a post, and if those violations are of separate rules then they MAY be acted on concurrently (for example, if you flame someone AND you bypass the word censor in doing so). Typically this is either done by issuing the standard points for one of the infractions but noting the violation is for both, or going with a custom DBAJ infraction that notes both of the rule violations and gives you an enhanced point total but a total that would be less than infracting each thing separately.

    What never happens is an infraction being issued for each violation in a post separately for full points; IE if someone violates the word censor, flames someone, and violates 9a's fair use rules all in one post, they would never be issued 3 separate infractions, each worth 3 points. One infraction noting all three would be issued for 3 points, or for some form of enhanced points that would be greater than 3 but less than the 9 (likely 5). This is a RARE occurrence.

    Typically, if one infraction is clearly greater than the other, we'd only go with the greatest. For example, if someone made a post that qualified as Hate Speech and during it also flamed someone, they'd likely simply be hit with a 20 point hate speech infraction.
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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I disagree that it's likely that one can use a slur, AS a slur, and not realize that it's a slur.

    But lets say you do.

    Nothing new happens to you today than would have happened to you yesterday. You would receive a 5 point slur infraction with a 60 day expiration; the exact same thing that would have happened to you prior to me posting this.

    It would take someone essentially "slurring and knowing it" THREE TIMES over a two year period for any kind of extra action to be taken against them; and at that point, I think everyone would reasonably agree it starts begging the question if the person is really "not knowing it".

    If your issue is simply with the slur infraction itself, that's a separate issue and not necessarily appropriate with this thread. But the situation you're talking about....where THIS change in the rule impacts someone simply for accidentally unknowingly using a slur...is wholly implausible.
    Point taken....

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    re: Enhanced Expiration Dates for Major Violations [W:51]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sorry, but the facts of the matter just don't back up your initial assertion. As it relates to the user base, this is a miniscule change for the overwhelming majority of them. As I said, over 99% of the people who used the forum over the 6 month period I analyzed would not in any way be affected by this.

    If the culture is going to change, it's most likely going to change in the sense that these habitual distractions and negative individuals to the overall health of the forum will be deterred and/or removed rather than being allowed to game the system.
    It is not the number of active people effected that is most important, it is the amount of content that is effected, that is what is going to decide how much the culture changes . My guess is that this one percent who are going to get shut down or reformed provide much more than 1% of the content, so the place is going to change more than you figure. These who would go to that much work to game the system are highly engaged members I figure.

    This could be a good thing, maybe this rule change makes the place even better than you figure.

    Or maybe I am wrong.
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