Malema says he is ‘maybe’ behind farm murders

HERA the Stars · Jul 3, 2018

This is a HUGE allegation, the 28's are one of South Africa's most brutal prison gangs, allegedly Malema promised to help one of the 28 members kill white farmers.

It is what Afriforum have been saying all along, White farm murders are premeditated and politically motivated due to the level of brutality of these attacks, the ANC must get to the bottom of this, if they don't investigate and make all findings public (I don't trust them there's too much corruption in South Africa) that would make the ANC imo complicit.

[SUP]According to reporter Simnikiwe Hlatshaneni, who attended the launch of Roets’ new book Kill the Boer: “In a gruesome presentation on the brutality of attacks on farmers in isolated areas, a sound clip that was part of a Carte Blanche investigation last year has a man speaking in Afrikaans saying Malema promised to help him continue killing farmers when he was released from prison. The person is supposedly a member of the brutal prison gang the 28s”.[/SUP]

https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/1966767/malema-says-he-is-maybe-behind-farm-murders/

HERA the Stars · Jul 3, 2018

Here is more information on how the numbers gang operate

THE NUMBERS
The Numbers - Prison Tattoo on youth The Numbers are split into three chapters: 26s, 27s and 28s. The 26s concentrate on gambling and smuggling and bringing in wealth, 27s are the guardians of gang law and the “peace” keepers. The 28s are the warriors who are expected to stab or kill rival gangs, prison guards and disobedient gang members. The 28s are further split into the silver line and the gold line. The gold line being the warriors and the silver being the ‘females’. The silver line are seen as the sex slaves, and the only way to get out of the silver line and into the gold line is by killing or maiming enemies. So if you want to stop being raped, you have to kill.

The Numbers Gang – South Africa’s Biggest Gang – Sick Chirpse

lefty louie · Jul 3, 2018

I've been to SA, if I were SA now I'd lease out whatever I owned and get the hell out. By not selling it (if you could) you keep it in your name with hopes of actually recouping it at some later date, that said, I'd be glad to get out with my life and family now.

I saw the writing on the wall in the 80's and would have left then if I were a SA citizen.

HERA the Stars · Jul 3, 2018

lefty louie said:
I've been to SA, if I were SA now I'd lease out whatever I owned and get the hell out. By not selling it (if you could) you keep it in your name with hopes of actually recouping it at some later date, that said, I'd be glad to get out with my life and family now.

I saw the writing on the wall in the 80's and would have left then if I were a SA citizen.

There were real hope between 1995 and 2000, since then it's been a very steep downhill. Corruption and mismanagement have gutted the country, there's no turning back.

Stolen Tax Money - Corruption Gutted South Africa’s Tax Agency. Now the Nation Is Paying the Price.
Stolen Transport money - Transnet contracts, exposed in #Guptaleaks, to feature in FBI probe

if you steal the money meant for maitaining roads, new busses and trains means people can't get to work. This apparently is the 6am train, the next train is suppose to come 10 minutes later but everyone knows it won't show until 10am which will make them late for work.

Mismanagement and corruption have broken Eskom, electricity is expensive and in short supply. Over 2000 protests a year due to people losing access to water, sewage and electricity, the money stolen for maintenance and new connections.

How McKinsey got involved with South Africa's Eskom and Guptas, to its regret

this video btw vvv just another day in South Africa

now for the cruel joke, the ANC is going to have to put themselves in jail... President Ramaphosa one of the wealthiest men in South Africa... how do you get to be so wealthy in a country this corrupt I ask you.

ANC 'shocked by scale of corruption', vows to root it out

And all of this (money stollen) apparently is the white farmers fault because they are not giving up their land, btw the land distribution process is also corrupt. Land seized have gone to ANC cronies or still remain in government possession, the poor have and will receive none of it.

The ANC is making a scapegoat out of the white farmers, hoping to redirect the fury of the masses from their stolen pile of gold

HERA the Stars · Oct 9, 2018

The Zulu's and the Boers will stand together against land appropriation,

Clearly, Zwelitini knows once the ANC are done with the Boers they will come for his 2.8 million hectares of communal tribal lands, the Zulus are about 12 million of the 65 million population but only took I think 2% of the vote in the last election. If Zwelitini plays this right he could gain a bigger share next election (2019) since the ANC corruption have lost them so much support. The constitution as it was drawn up after Apartheid supports a coalition government, the greatest danger however is if the ANC and EFF (Julius Malema - who are the biggest drivers of land appropriation) have enough votes to form a coalition government.

Zulu King Zwelithini partners with AfriForum to fight land expropriation
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/zulu-king-afriforum-fight-land-expropriation/

"Anyone who wants to be elected by us must come and kneel here and commit that I will never touch your land.” - Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini

Speaking to the thousands of supporters gathered at the stadium, Zwelithini said:

“The Zulu nation I’m talking about will not exist if we don’t have food. That’s why I say farmers must come closer so that we discuss what we can do when we talk about agriculture and the availability of enough food in the land.”

Zwelithini explained that AfriForum was dedicated to the preservation of food security, and as such, was opposed to land expropriation without compensation, saying:

“I’m asking AfriForum of the Boers to come and help us, as they’ve introduced themselves to me that they are willing to work with me and my father’s people to uplift agriculture in our land in order to have food.

Because when government started talking about the appropriation of land expropriation without compensation, Boers downed tools. There is no food in South Africa.”

Westphalian · Oct 25, 2018

This is a very sad situation. At one time South Africa was a shining beacon of hope in Africa, but reading your accounts HERA is very depressing. RSA has clearly not been well served by its leaders or its western patrons for whom money is king.

Do you feel that there is any prospect of a Boer / Zulu political alliance?

HERA the Stars · Oct 25, 2018

Westphalian said:
This is a very sad situation. At one time South Africa was a shining beacon of hope in Africa, but reading your accounts HERA is very depressing. RSA has clearly not been well served by its leaders or its western patrons for whom money is king.

Do you feel that there is any prospect of a Boer / Zulu political alliance?

I’m not sure it will have a significant outcome either way even if they did. Land expropriation itself is not the problem, it is land expropriation without compensation because many properties are mortgaged to the hilt and in the end the banks may well be the biggest losers.

Could banks be the biggest losers in expropriation without compensation?
https://www.fin24.com/Economy/could...n-expropriation-without-compensation-20180301

If the government decides not to compensate the banks when taking land, R160bn could be wiped off their books

But to be completely honest West, land expropriation is not what concerns me most.

Law and order is failing and billions of dollars have been lost due to theft and mismanagement from state funds and state owned enterprises.

See how much money Eskom and SAA lose every second

https://mybroadband.co.za/news/busi...ch-money-eskom-and-saa-lose-every-second.html

The country is lost, damage is irreparable and several of the large cities are on the brink of collapse….when that finally happens in the coming decade, all hell will break loose….especially when police are as corrupt as the criminals they are suppose to keep in check.

Westphalian · Oct 25, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
I’m not sure it will have a significant outcome either way even if they did. Land expropriation itself is not the problem, it is land expropriation without compensation because many properties are mortgaged to the hilt and in the end the banks may well be the biggest losers.

But to be completely honest West, land expropriation is not what concerns me most.

Law and order is failing and billions of dollars have been lost due to theft and mismanagement from state funds and state owned enterprises.

The country is lost, damage is irreparable and several of the large cities are on the brink of collapse….when that finally happens in the coming decade, all hell will break loose….especially when police are as corrupt as the criminals they are suppose to keep in check.

Thanks HERA,

A very sad situation which it's hard to appreciate from here given the lack of coverage of anything African. From reading your links it seems that the big banks, given the influence they carry, may be the best hope of salvation - ironically :roll:

Chagos · Oct 28, 2018

1) Wide-spread corruption in the country notwithstanding, Afriforum is a right wing organization that supports White Supremacist ambitions of those Boers wishing the 17th century back.

2) Goodwill Zwelithini kaBhekuzulu is known for living it up in most kingly fashion, while the majority of his people live in poverty. He considers homosexuality to be sexual abuse and is openly xenophobic in telling non South Africans to get out.

3) The one true thing in all this lament is that his bid to ally himself with the Boers derives mainly from the fear that Pretoria might take some of his expensive toys away, respectively curb his ever increasing hunger for outrageous government alimony.

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

Chagos said:
1) Wide-spread corruption in the country notwithstanding, Afriforum is a right wing organization that supports White Supremacist ambitions of those Boers wishing the 17th century back.

2) Goodwill Zwelithini kaBhekuzulu is known for living it up in most kingly fashion, while the majority of his people live in poverty. He considers homosexuality to be sexual abuse and is openly xenophobic in telling non South Africans to get out.

3) The one true thing in all this lament is that his bid to ally himself with the Boers derives mainly from the fear that Pretoria might take some of his expensive toys away, respectively curb his ever increasing hunger for outrageous government alimony.

Afriforum looks after minority rights of white Afrikaners because they are now persecuted.... anyone is right wing from where you are standing Chagos. Personally I think you cling to your position without even putting the slightest thought into it, clinging to the familiar.

An important point is that the most persecuted groups are not white, they are the Khoisan and the Coloureds (mixed breed from the early Hottentot and white settlers) and I believe Afriforum have offered to speak on their behalf also. Their suffering is awful under the ANC government.

The Bantu (current ruling ANC government) are migrants from the north, white settlers encountered them for the first time north of the Great Fish River, if land is to be claimed these people (Khoisan and Coloureds) should be first in line.

Chagos · Oct 28, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
Afriforum looks after minority rights of white Afrikaners because they are now persecuted.... ............~

Thanks for the laugh.

Not, mind you, that I doubt the one time overlords now having to hear the swish of the whip they once swung themselves.

What goes round comes round and that eventually works out anywhere in the world.

The Bantu (current ruling ANC government) are migrants from the north, white settlers encountered them for the first time north of the Great Fish River, if land is to be claimed these people (Khoisan and Coloureds) should be first in line.

Glad to hear that the Khoikhoi have moved up the ladder a bit. From initial enslavement to being slaughtered wholesale, to utter dispossession, all of it not conducted by any Bantu migrants but by Dutch invaders. Let's hope they get what was taken from them and let's hope more Boers get evicted from what has been stolen land ever since they set foot. In the spirit of "what goes round comes around"

.An important point is that the most persecuted groups are not white, they are the Khoisan and the Coloureds (mixed breed from the early Hottentot and white settlers) .....................~

Most telling how you refer to indigenous people as Hottentot. They were never called that not even in early times, except by the block-headed Boor bigots. It took kicking your bunch off the high stool for them to be able to refer to themselves by their proper name again.

And before any more crocodile tears get shed over the coloureds (which include the descendants of the people that the Dutch enslaved in their Malay colonies), let's not forget that your ilk subjected them to the same apartheid that has thankfully perished. You now becrying their current persecution is the height of hypocrisy.

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

Chagos said:
Thanks for the laugh.

Not, mind you, that I doubt the one time overlords now having to hear the swish of the whip they once swung themselves.

What goes round comes round and that eventually works out anywhere in the world.Glad to hear that the Khoikhoi have moved up the ladder a bit. From initial enslavement to being slaughtered wholesale, to utter dispossession, all of it not conducted by any Bantu migrants but by Dutch invaders. Let's hope they get what was taken from them and let's hope more Boers get evicted from what has been stolen land ever since they set foot. In the spirit of "what goes round comes around"Most telling how you refer to indigenous people as Hottentot. They were never called that not even in early times, except by the block-headed Boor bigots. It took kicking your bunch off the high stool for them to be able to refer to themselves by their proper name again.

And before any more crocodile tears get shed over the coloureds (which include the descendants of the people that the Dutch enslaved in their Malay colonies), let's not forget that your ilk subjected them to the same apartheid that has thankfully perished. You now becrying their current persecution is the height of hypocrisy.

Look at your post, there is only spite and smearing, you must be a very sad individual. You clearly don't understand that ALL South Africans will suffer an equal fate. You don't care if people, die, babies are raped because you are simply just that spiteful.

South Africa has over two thousand protests every year against the ANC government who ruined the country... and here you are... defending their right to steal rape and kill. Time will prove how ignorant you are because people like me will continue to voice our concerns, no matter what you throw in our direction.... you must learn... you must be educated, I will do what I have to do

Chagos · Oct 28, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
... and here you are... defending their right to steal rape and kill.

Retract that accusation.

IMMEDIATELY !!!!

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

Chagos said:
Retract that accusation.

IMMEDIATELY !!!!

You can first clarify why you are defending a government who rape, steal and kill. If you are not defending a government who rape steal and kill I will happily retract AND apologise.

Clearly it only dawned on you NOW that the ANC government you have been defending RAPE, STEAL and KILL even though I have linked to it throughout this forum many times. Thousands of people IN South Africa, BLACK people are protesting against it.... yet here you are... flying their banner....

I'm waiting

What if...? · Oct 28, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
Here is more information on how the numbers gang operate

The Numbers Gang – South Africa’s Biggest Gang – Sick Chirpse

Could they just kill the ones raping them? Seems the simplest solution.

Chagos · Oct 28, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
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In all my interchanges with you on South Africa, I have not once mentioned the ANC, let alone praised, defended or put any other qualifier on it.

Now own your disgusting accusation and own the consequences.

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

Chagos said:
In all my interchanges with you on South Africa, I have not once mentioned the ANC, let alone praised, defended or put any other qualifier on it.

Now own your disgusting accusation and own the consequences.

You are a hypocrite, you sit there and carelessly tell me people getting murdered and raped are "what goes around comes around" when NONE of that was going around during Apartheid. There was law and order....arguably too much of it and clearly the better option compared to complete lawlessness.

You've done nothing but smear me and insult me every opportunity you get and now you decide you feel offended when I point out that you are supporting a regime where 41% of rapes are children and babies.... well maybe you should educate yourself or grow a thicker skin like the rest of us have had to with all your mean and nasty comments

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

The only country in the world where children joined the #MeToo movement

South African children join the #MeToo movement
South African children join the #MeToo movement | Screen Africa

Chagos · Oct 28, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
You are a hypocrite, you sit there and carelessly tell me people getting murdered and raped are "what goes around comes around" when NONE of that was going around during Apartheid. There was law and order....arguably too much of it and clearly the better option compared to complete lawlessness.

You've done nothing but smear me and insult me every opportunity you get and now you decide you feel offended when I point out that you are supporting a regime where 41% of rapes are children and babies.... well maybe you should educate yourself or grow a thicker skin like the rest of us have had to with all your mean and nasty comments

You're lying on all counts. Such is the quality of your post.

HERA the Stars · Oct 28, 2018

Chagos said:
You're lying on all counts. Such is the quality of your post.

Learn Chagos Learn

South African protesters echo a global cry: democracy isn’t making people’s lives better
May 19, 2017 12.09am AEST

https://theconversation.com/south-african-protesters-echo-a-global-cry-democracy-isnt-making-peoples-lives-better-77639

we found that between 1997 and 2013 there were an average of 900 community protests a year. In recent years the number has climbed to as high as 2,000 protests a year.

State failure is the 'new normal'

State failure is the `new normal` - OPINION | Politicsweb

South Africa's murder rate is around 30 times those of France and Australia, and eight times that of the US. No wonder then that the director general of the National Treasury, Dondo Mogajane, said a few months ago that South Africa was "on the verge of becoming a failed state".

Almost every day there are reports of failure. In February this year a water specialist said that 80% of the country's sewerage systems were dysfunctional. In April the finance minister said that some of the country's cities were "on the brink of collapse". The following month the government admitted that hundreds of its Thusong service centres had all but collapsed. In June the Office of Health Standards Compliance said after carrying out 851 inspections of public hospitals and clinics that the score for cleanliness was below 50% in six of the nine provinces.

State capture now makes headlines daily. However, it is only one facet of a larger problem: South Africa is run by elites who consume more and more money, and assume more and more power, but who b. Corrupt and inept politicians who push ordinary people off the roads as they flash by in their motorcades are a metaphor for rule by the ANC. There is an even bigger problem: despite periodic violent protest, the country has largely resigned itself to the fact that state failure is now the new "normal".

Chagos · Oct 29, 2018

HERA the Stars said:
Learn Chagos Learn...................~

From somebody moaning over he good old days of apartheid being gone? ..............................................No thanks.

From somebody wanting apartheid back?.........................................No thanks.

From somebody who runs away from every single point that others make on what life under apartheid was like?...........................................No thanks.

Only thing you can teach anyone is best not to become like you.

HERA the Stars · Oct 29, 2018

Chagos said:
From somebody moaning over he good old days of apartheid being gone? ..............................................No thanks.

From somebody wanting apartheid back?.........................................No thanks.

From somebody who runs away from every single point that others make on what life under apartheid was like?...........................................No thanks.

Only thing you can teach anyone is best not to become like you.

There is no bringing Apartheid back, just shows you are unable to see what's in front of you... the country is DEAD. My goal is to hold you accountable... you portray Apartheid as an evil when what is happening now is FAR worse, but you remain silent because you cannot admit it.... you don't even have to live with the consequences and still you can't face this horror.

I want to hold you accountable for all the women, children and babies raped, accountable for all the people murdered, mutilated and tortured, accountable for the mutilation of South Africa's wildlife, look at your handiwork.... you still cry racism but you remain silent over the WORST atrocities on the planet. You need to take a good hard look at yourself.

Chagos · Oct 29, 2018

The OP is a Boer Supremacist racist trying to peddle her lies on here.

The notion of rape in South Africa being a specifically post-apartheid problem is a load of bumpf and a blatant lie.

Pumla Dineo Gqola, professor at Witwatersrand University states in her book "Rape: A South African Nightmare" how its natural that rape statistics would rise after 1994, because black women felt more comfortable to come forward. Police stations under apartheid had previously been deeply unfriendly places.

She states that if one seriously wants to tackle the rape issue there, one must interrogate its histories properly. Which requires also taking into account the rape and forced impregnation of slave women in Cape society and that rape was a core feature of British colonial rule, worsening under Boer Supremacy. Under apartheid, no white men were hanged for rape and the only black men who were hanged for rape were convicted of raping white women.

The plight of women in prison, usually sent there for ridiculously petty offences, would fill books with rape by guards being a standard.

HERA the Stars · Oct 29, 2018

Chagos said:
The OP is a Boer Supremacist racist trying to peddle her lies on here.

The notion of rape in South Africa being a specifically post-apartheid problem is a load of bumpf and a blatant lie.

Pumla Dineo Gqola, professor at Witwatersrand University states in her book "Rape: A South African Nightmare" how its natural that rape statistics would rise after 1994, because black women felt more comfortable to come forward. Police stations under apartheid had previously been deeply unfriendly places.

She states that if one seriously wants to tackle the rape issue there, one must interrogate its histories properly. Which requires also taking into account the rape and forced impregnation of slave women in Cape society and that rape was a core feature of British colonial rule, worsening under Boer Supremacy. Under apartheid, no white men were hanged for rape and the only black men who were hanged for rape were convicted of raping white women.

The plight of women in prison, usually sent there for ridiculously petty offences, would fill books with rape by guards being a standard.

oh well we can all go home now there's no problem.... we'll just blame Apartheid and call it a day.... NO MORE. South Africans know who to blame and it's not white people. Only those in the west who are still ignorant to what is going on are still harping on about racism, Apartheid and white supremacy.

Put your money where your mouth is Chagos.... quote my white supremacist and racist statements in this thread.... post all the horrible things I said about black people and all the sentences where I said whites are superior..... it's all lies because you smear... you smear people probably in your real life too.... what a piece of work you are.

South Africa is a dying county...You helped kill it. I don't care what you throw in my direction, I know the truth and I will not waiver..... the truth will and must be heard, none of your lies will stop me. With every smear and lie I become more determined.

Chagos · Oct 29, 2018

Something currently making the rounds down there is the "suicide" of Mark Minnie, former police officer and co-author of the book "The Lost Boys of Bird Island" in which he revealed

horrific details about an alleged paedophile ring in the once-feared white-minority government that portrayed itself as being made up of devout Christian men.

Minnie details shocking allegations against Magnus Malan, the once-powerful defence minister who was accused of setting up death squads and sanctioning military raids on neighbouring states as he fought to maintain white-supremacist rule in South Africa in the 1980s and 1990s.

Malan was part of a regime which believed that the Bible justified racism - and they saw themselves as defending their faith, families, and race from being over-run by "godless communists" and "uncivilised blacks".

But secretly, Minnie alleged, Malan was part of a paedophile ring which raped boys - mostly of mixed race - during "fishing excursions" on Bird Island, a declared nature reserve near Port Elizabeth. The boys were flown to the island in military helicopters, made drunk during barbecues - and then sexually abused, he alleged.

The book alleged that the paedophile ring, which operated in the 1980s, included then-Environmental Affairs Minister John Wiley and wealthy businessman and diver Dave Allen. Minnie said he had, in fact, arrested Allen for allegedly having sex with children and for possessing child pornography.

Allen never stood trial - he was found dead, at the age of 37, with a bullet wound to his head, just like the 60-year-old Wiley.

Both died within weeks of each other in 1987. Both had, according to the official police version, taken their lives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-45195756

Allegations for sure but a lot of "suicides"