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South Africa votes to take all white owned farm land.

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Robert Mugabe did similar in Zimbabwe that caused collapse and chaos in agriculture of that nation:

Quartz

Zimbabwe’s white farmers will get compensation—but they’re not getting land back

December 8, 2017

Tawanda Karombo

Excerpt:

Harare, Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe wants to address the chaotic and violent manner in which it took away land from local white farmers nearly 20 years later as new president Emmerson Mnangagwa bids to reassure investors his administration is restoring respect for property rights and investment protection.

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Another coming agricultural collapse?
 
brothern said:
Not really. The motion was to begin the process to amend the South African constitution.

Edit: Longer response forthcoming...
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Sure, but their intent for it is stated loud and clear:

“The time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice,” Mr Malema was quoted by News24 as telling parliament. “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.”
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The once strong nation continues its decline.........
 
First off, the seizure of land was already legal under the South African constitution. However it had to be done in a fair and equitable manner to the landowner.

The action by the ANC in Parliament was to begin the process of removing the "fair and equitable" qualification. It was absolutely an inflammatory and grandstand move made to distract from the ANC's own failed policies (economic issues/performance unrelated to land ownership), a move to try to capture voters from the radical Left, as well as present the ANC as trying to correct those economic disparities. It is questionable if the proposed change to the Constitution will actually occur or stand.

Historically the black population was undeniably, economically wronged by the white population. That has led to the economic disparities seen today. However land ownership distribution is not going to correct those disparities, unlike what it would've done years ago when farming/production was a key driver of economic growth in an undeveloped economy. The ANC needs to pursue economic policies that gives people the opportunity to have a well-paid job and career path in the modern world (aka cities).
 
Renae said:
South Africa parliament votes to confiscate land from white farmers

The worlds gone mad.
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Has it? Is that government (1) confiscating the land because the owners are white, or are they (2) confiscating the land because the whites who are there stole it not so long ago from the blacks? I don't know. I do know that it would indeed be tragic if they went down the same road that Zimbabwe did...but again, that was a different nation. South Africa enforced Apartheid for generations and only ended it less than thirty years ago...but I'm not aware that Zimbabwe ever had Apartheid.

This is why one shouldn't make assumptions without digging a bit first to find out what the "why" really is, especially when it comes to other nations and cultures. Please note that I am NOT endorsing either side - what I'm saying is that before we judge, we MUST educate ourselves concerning not only what is happening but also why it is happening.
 
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27688...d-hank-berrien

On Tuesday in South Africa, a shocking vote in the National Assembly ruled that white South African farmers will be removed from their land.
The vote, prompted by a motion brought by radical Marxist opposition leader Julius Malema, was not even close; 241 legislators voted for it
with only 83 voting against it. Malema told his supporters in 2016 he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people — at least for now.”

These are true refugees, and should be allowed to front of the queue. These people will assimilate into the farming society and never be a burden to taxpayers…
 
"... A 2017 government audit found white people own 72 percent of farmland - something Mr Malema has long-promised to reform.

In 2016 he told supporters he was "not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now".

Last year more than 70 white farmers were killed in 340 attacks, making farming more dangerous than being a police officer, according to the African News Agency. ..."

South Africa parliament votes to confiscate land owned by white farmers | Newshub
 
brothern said:
Historically the black population was undeniably, economically wronged by the white population. That has led to the economic disparities seen today. However land ownership distribution is not going to correct those disparities, unlike what it would've done years ago when farming/production was a key driver of economic growth in an undeveloped economy. The ANC needs to pursue economic policies that gives people the opportunity to have a well-paid job and career path in the modern world (aka cities).
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I actually don't find that do be true, historically most of the black people that live in South Africa today, are not from South Africa... but from all over Africa immigrating there because of the economic opertunity.

The actual South African tribes that historically existed in South Africa are actually heavily discriminated against by the Bantu people.
 
Since Mandela's presidency, South Africa has been in an economic decline - for 25 years now.
Murder rates have gone through the roof.

I guess SA wants to speed up their upcoming disaster by removing all whites.
 
slick said:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27688...d-hank-berrien

On Tuesday in South Africa, a shocking vote in the National Assembly ruled that white South African farmers will be removed from their land.
The vote, prompted by a motion brought by radical Marxist opposition leader Julius Malema, was not even close; 241 legislators voted for it
with only 83 voting against it. Malema told his supporters in 2016 he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people — at least for now.”

These are true refugees, and should be allowed to front of the queue. These people will assimilate into the farming society and never be a burden to taxpayers…
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Really? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the Rohyngia Muslims who didn't just lose their lands to the government, but who watched their families be raped and murdered? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the Syrian civilians - particularly the women and children - caught in the middle of a civil war which we helped create? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the African Jews that Israel is expelling from their nation since the right-wing government doesn't want to accept them as having Jewish ancestry?

I'm not trying to beat up on you - it's not wrong to feel empathy for the white farmers who are being expelled from their farms (but not from their nation). I'm only pointing out that there are far more refugees who are facing much worse injustice.

Oh, and one more thing - ALL refugees present a burden to taxpayers in the beginning...every single one. Very, very few of them come here with money in pocket...and if you'll think about it, if a refugee has a lot of money on hand, then how, exactly is that person a refugee at all? In any case, if you've any real experience with immigrants, you would know that regardless of their race/color/creed or national origin, most of them work harder than most native-born Americans, and they are less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens...and the latter is backed up by studies by the conservative Cato Institute IIRC. Perhaps you already know all that and accept it. I hope you do.
 
Renae said:
South Africa parliament votes to confiscate land from white farmers

The worlds gone mad.
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Mandela ended apartheid, but beyond that, the citizens of SA thought he allowed White Corporate Control and didn't go far enough to resolve this issue. I'm not sure Whites stole the land of South Africa, but the Right, White, Christianity marching westward with theft, genocide, and legal documents under duress worked really good in the USA, so I'm sympathetic to the Black side of this issue, notwithstanding deploreable results in Zimbabwe.
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Glen Contrarian said:
Really? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the Rohyngia Muslims who didn't just lose their lands to the government, but who watched their families be raped and murdered? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the Syrian civilians - particularly the women and children - caught in the middle of a civil war which we helped create? Are they more deserving of refugee status than the African Jews that Israel is expelling from their nation since the right-wing government doesn't want to accept them as having Jewish ancestry?

I'm not trying to beat up on you - it's not wrong to feel empathy for the white farmers who are being expelled from their farms (but not from their nation). I'm only pointing out that there are far more refugees who are facing much worse injustice.

Oh, and one more thing - ALL refugees present a burden to taxpayers in the beginning...every single one. Very, very few of them come here with money in pocket...and if you'll think about it, if a refugee has a lot of money on hand, then how, exactly is that person a refugee at all? In any case, if you've any real experience with immigrants, you would know that regardless of their race/color/creed or national origin, most of them work harder than most native-born Americans, and they are less likely to commit crime than native-born American citizens...and the latter is backed up by studies by the conservative Cato Institute IIRC. Perhaps you already know all that and accept it. I hope you do.
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They have common values, language and work ethic with large swaths of America. They should be the ones we are allow to immigrate to the west.
These are true refugees, and should be allowed to front of the queue. These people will assimilate into the farming society and never be a burden to taxpayers…

South Africa has an affirmative action program, in place to protect the majority ! What ?????
"South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control.
The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete
failure on their part to build their own wealth.'

South Africa farm murders: Jacob Zuma calls for white land to be confiscated

“The farmers live in fear, because being a farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous occupation in the world,” Henk van de Graaf,
spokesman for the TAU, told Swedish newspaper Nya Tider last year.

“The average murder ratio per 100,000 or the population in the world is nine, I believe. In South Africa, it is 54. But for the
farming community it is 138, which is the highest for any occupation in the world.”

The rise in farm attacks has been blamed on increasingly anti-white hate speech, particularly from the ruling African National Congress.
 
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DaveFagan said:
Mandela ended apartheid, but beyond that, the citizens of SA thought he allowed White Corporate Control and didn't go far enough to resolve this issue. I'm not sure Whites stole the land of South Africa, but the Right, White, Christianity marching westward with theft, genocide, and legal documents under duress worked really good in the USA, so I'm sympathetic to the Black side of this issue, notwithstanding deploreable results in Zimbabwe.
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I hate to break it to you but in both Texas and California the Hispanic populations were just as fed up with the corrupt, ineffectual rule from Mexico City as the Anglos were.

Oh, and every tribe had acquired "their" land by throwing weaker tribes off of it---hence why the US did have a fair amount of support from smaller tribes in the wars against groups like the Lakota.
 
slick said:
They have common values, language and work ethic with large swaths of America. They should be the ones we are allow to immigrate to the west.
These are true refugees, and should be allowed to front of the queue. These people will assimilate into the farming society and never be a burden to taxpayers…

South Africa has an affirmative action program, in place to protect the majority ! What ?????
"South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control.
The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete
failure on their part to build their own wealth
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"True refugees"? So you think the people who are fleeing active war zones, government sponsored death squads, gas attacks and one of most vile terrorist groups around aren't "true refugees"? Gee, I wonder why.....

It was a rather large burden to the taxpayer putting down the treasonous activities of the group that you fantasize they will integrate into.

Or rather, the sheer viciousness of the minority group.
 
Wont be the first time. They did the same thing in Zimbabwe. Now the farms are all failing and the people are starving.
 
Tigerace117 said:
"True refugees"? So you think the people who are fleeing active war zones, government sponsored death squads, gas attacks and one of most vile terrorist groups around aren't "true refugees"? Gee, I wonder why.....

It was a rather large burden to the taxpayer putting down the treasonous activities of the group that you fantasize they will integrate into.

Or rather, the sheer viciousness of the minority group.
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Not you again. Make sense please. PLEASE Eloquently elobarate YOUR POSITION!
 
Sunsettommy said:
Robert Mugabe did similar in Zimbabwe that caused collapse and chaos in agriculture of that nation:

Quartz

Zimbabwe’s white farmers will get compensation—but they’re not getting land back

December 8, 2017

Tawanda Karombo

Excerpt:

Harare, Zimbabwe

Zimbabwe wants to address the chaotic and violent manner in which it took away land from local white farmers nearly 20 years later as new president Emmerson Mnangagwa bids to reassure investors his administration is restoring respect for property rights and investment protection.

LINK

Another coming agricultural collapse?
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He is hoping that his population won’t starve while it’s subsistance farmers make the leap to corporate farming.

We could help a lot by not subsidizing our farms, keeping prices artificially low.
 
brothern said:
First off, the seizure of land was already legal under the South African constitution. However it had to be done in a fair and equitable manner to the landowner.

The action by the ANC in Parliament was to begin the process of removing the "fair and equitable" qualification. It was absolutely an inflammatory and grandstand move made to distract from the ANC's own failed policies (economic issues/performance unrelated to land ownership), a move to try to capture voters from the radical Left, as well as present the ANC as trying to correct those economic disparities. It is questionable if the proposed change to the Constitution will actually occur or stand.

Historically the black population was undeniably, economically wronged by the white population. That has led to the economic disparities seen today. However land ownership distribution is not going to correct those disparities, unlike what it would've done years ago when farming/production was a key driver of economic growth in an undeveloped economy. The ANC needs to pursue economic policies that gives people the opportunity to have a well-paid job and career path in the modern world (aka cities).
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Not "would've", but "might've". Owning land doesn't mean **** if you don't work it. Who started the farming in South Africa? Who made them what they are? Who were the leaders of farming? Giving land to people doesn't mean a damn thing without personal initiative.
 
chuckiechan said:
He is hoping that his population won’t starve while it’s subsistance farmers make the leap to corporate farming.

We could help a lot by not subsidizing our farms, keeping prices artificially low.
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Not only that it is a signal to the world investing there is risky as they might take it away from you.
 
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