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African migrants forcibly given birth control injections [W:73]

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RabidAlpaca said:
The Jewish people and Israel are TWO SEPARATE THINGS. More Jews live outside Israel than in it, so criticizing Israel is not criticizing Jews. Your statements are as stupid as saying someone criticizing North Korea is racist against asians. Your calls of antisemitism are pathetic and totally against forum rules.
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Of course they are separate things, your obsession however is rooted in hatred for Jews and that was established.
It is entirely possible that if there was only one nation in the world where Black people were a majority, that the people who hate Blacks will attack that nation and be obsessed with it the way you are with Israel.
Sort of like how bashing Africa can be seen as racist or how Trump words about "****holes" has been seen as racist because it was assumed that the agenda behind calling them ****holes is the belief that the people there are inferior.
This excuse of "I said Israel not Jews" has been shown as the sad excuse that it is long ago. There's a reason you're so obsessed with such a small country with such small scaled conflicts compared to many other countries.
 
Apocalypse said:
This excuse of "I said Israel not Jews" has been shown as the sad excuse that it is long ago. There's a reason you're so obsessed with such a small country with such small scaled conflicts compared to many other countries.
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So because Isreal is a small country then they should be excused for doing evil things because there are worse countries out there? Ridiculous.
 
PoS said:
So because Isreal is a small country then they should be excused for doing evil things because there are worse countries out there? Ridiculous.
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The fact it's small and the conflict is small scaled goes to show the obsession of the people who use it as an exucse to promote their racism towards Jews, yes.
 
PoS said:
So an ethnic group that is most often the victims of racism are themselves racist. What a pathetic state of affairs.
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You know every racial group is racist, right? What's more pathetic is that we don't recognize this in thyselfs. The Jews have been persecuted enough(as you so admitted). So physician, heal yourself.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
You know every racial group is racist, right? What's more pathetic is that we don't recognize this in thyselfs. The Jews have been persecuted enough(as you so admitted). So physician, heal yourself.
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The Jews consider themselves a race but present themselves as a religion when convenient.
 
Indian Giver said:
The Jews consider themselves a race but present themselves as a religion when convenient.
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If you actually gave Jews a choice, they'd rarely choose to be jewish at all.
 
PoS said:
You made the initial claim that American Indians keep people out of their lands who isnt them, now your'e changing the subject again to deflect what the Isrealis are doing. So tell me, do American Indians forcibly give birth control injections to anybody?
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I don't think they do. Not that I know of anyway. Of course, no one is flocking to their land and trying to move in and force the Native Americans to support their hoard of children.

I'm not changing the subject. I'm giving you an example of people grouped ethnically who don't let other take what they have. That's the situation in Israel, which has led to this OPTION of taking TEMPORARY hormonal birth control if the immigrant wants to stay. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Israel isn't a large nation-state. It can't afford to support everyone (and their off-spring) that come to the country uninvited.

We're getting read to do a similar thing -- have you seen the recent threads? Not offer hormonal birth control, but if the immigrant uses public services, it may count against their final application for citizenship. The thing is, both in Israel and here, that no country, even on as large as the US, but especially one as small as Israel, can afford to absorb too many immigrants who take from the social-program pool. There has to be a way to reduce the impact to the tax-paying citizens.
 
HowardBThiname said:
I don't think they do. Not that I know of anyway. Of course, no one is flocking to their land and trying to move in and force the Native Americans to support their hoard of children.

I'm not changing the subject. I'm giving you an example of people grouped ethnically who don't let other take what they have. That's the situation in Israel, which has led to this OPTION of taking TEMPORARY hormonal birth control if the immigrant wants to stay. Doesn't that sound reasonable? Israel isn't a large nation-state. It can't afford to support everyone (and their off-spring) that come to the country uninvited.

We're getting read to do a similar thing -- have you seen the recent threads? Not offer hormonal birth control, but if the immigrant uses public services, it may count against their final application for citizenship. The thing is, both in Israel and here, that no country, even on as large as the US, but especially one as small as Israel, can afford to absorb too many immigrants who take from the social-program pool. There has to be a way to reduce the impact to the tax-paying citizens.
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FYI, there's lots of groups going into Isreal, yet its only the Ethiopian Jews that are being forced with birth control injections. I'm waiting for your excuse on that.

Apocalypse said:
The fact it's small and the conflict is small scaled goes to show the obsession of the people who use it as an exucse to promote their racism towards Jews, yes.
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I got news for you: human beings will respond to wrongdoings regardless of country size. If you want people to stop criticizing Isreal, then stop the wrongdoings.

DarkWizard12 said:
You know every racial group is racist, right? What's more pathetic is that we don't recognize this in thyselfs. The Jews have been persecuted enough(as you so admitted). So physician, heal yourself.
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What's your point here? Everyone is racist so its okay to be one?
 
PoS said:
FYI, there's lots of groups going into Isreal, yet its only the Ethiopian Jews that are being forced with birth control injections. I'm waiting for your excuse on that.
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Okay, so it turns out the story, which was published back in 2013, isn't even true.

On May 12, 2015, Alternet published a piece by Zaid Jilani, a staff writer, titled, “6 Crazy Things Israel has done to Maintain Racial Purity.” At the time, the Anti-Defamation League criticized the piece for its “hyperbole and distortions,” and most of the article contained just that. One point in particular, however, went beyond distortion to repeat a long-since debunked libel.



In the piece, Jilani claimed that “for years, the Israeli government was injecting Ethiopian Jewish immigrants with birth control, often without their knowledge or consent. When the practice was exposed in 2013, it was ordered to be halted.”



As CAMERA detailed at the time, reports on this issue arose from a single television news story with highly problematic reporting. The doctor who ran the program in question for Ethiopian women stated:



JDC runs the medical program in Gondar for potential immigrants to Israel. As part of this, we offer voluntary contraception to our population. Our clinic offers both birth control pills and injectable contraception. If a woman prefers another method of contraception such as implantable or tubal ligation, we send them to facilities down the road in the city of Gondar for this.



Women come to the program because they desire family planning. We present the various options to them and they choose. So women both choose to use contraception and choose their method. And choose when to discontinue contraception. It has always been that way in our program. …



Injectable contraceptives are the most desired throughout the country. They are easy, culturally preferred, and offer the ability to be on birth control without a woman informing her husband, which is an issue here. …



Neither myself nor my staff have ever told any women in our program that they should take Depo-Provera for any reason. 100% of Depo-Provera shots are purely voluntary, and may be discontinued (or changed to another method) at any time.[/I]

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There was also never any effort to "halt" the practice, as there was no practice to halt. Rather, in light of the report, the Health Ministry director-general Professor Roni Gamzu put out a precautionary instruction: “without taking a stand or determining facts about allegations that were made, I would like to instruct, from now on, all gynecologists in the HMOs not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian – or any other – origin, if there is the slightest doubt that they have not understood the implications of the treatment." Claims that the Ministry admitted the practice had occurred were based on a mistranslation, and were retracted by the outlet that printed the mistranslation. Yet, two years after the claims were rebutted, Alternet published the disputed allegations as undisputed truth.
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CAMERA: The Fake News About "Fake News"
 
PoS said:
I got news for you: human beings will respond to wrongdoings regardless of country size. If you want people to stop criticizing Isreal, then stop the wrongdoings.
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Human beings are responsible for wrongdoings, among those is holding a racist agenda. Such racist agenda is Jew hatred and the modern obsession for Israel isn't rooted in some made up crimes against humanity of that liberal democracy but in pure and simple Jew hatred, the same kind that existed in the hearts of millions for enternity now. The rest are excuses, and thus the antisemitism must be called out for what it truly is. The obsession towards Israel is rooted in the racism of ill intentioned people.
 
Well, could the women have said no and then not immigrated there? Gone home?

That's a choice. If that's a condition of immigration...choose.

And those injections arent permanent.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I already stated that it requires a "Jewish" grandparent which is a totally meaningless requirement equivalent to a drop of Jewish genetic heritage. The problem is those immigrants are not considered for their worthiness, self support ability, nor are their reproductive rights micromanaged by the state. Non-Jewish immigrants are treated dramatically different and none of the above applies. Overcrowding in Israel isn't an issue if the issue is purely dependent on the immigrants' race. Slightly Jewish? Come on in! Accept this generous help and reproduce ASAP PLEASE!!! Non-Jewish? Whoa whoa whoa there hotshot, we can't just let any asshole in, it's crowded!

My suggestion is for Israel to stop being an ethnocentric fascist state bent on gobbling up the land of its neighbors and asserting racial dominance. It's disgusting and it wouldn't be tolerated in the west. One of the first things you see when you arrive at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv is a wall with the words "Zionism is an infinite ideal" written in big letters. Ethnocentric racism is built into the cake with Israel.

Also, learn to read, you can clearly see the second part of my post quoted someone else. I assume that happens when you don't even read what you're responding to.
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What is disturbing to me is that these Ethiopians are Jews, with Jewish grandparents and parents. There have been Jews in Ethiopia for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

This isn't about drops of Jewish blood, or about not being Jewish enough. This is racism, pure and simple. I don't care is we're talking about depro provera rather than permanent sterilization, forcing any drug on an unwilling subject is violation. Did you note how the government back down while still managing to slur these women?
By decree of Israel’s health minister, gynecologists have been ordered "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.”
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bearpoker said:
What is disturbing to me is that these Ethiopians are Jews, with Jewish grandparents and parents. There have been Jews in Ethiopia for centuries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

This isn't about drops of Jewish blood, or about not being Jewish enough. This is racism, pure and simple. I don't care is we're talking about depro provera rather than permanent sterilization, forcing any drug on an unwilling subject is violation. Did you note how the government back down while still managing to slur these women?
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As the "news story" has been debunked as fake news (see post 34), there is no longer a basis for outrage. The knowledge of getting punked always engenders a flash of embarrassment, but it is also a lesson in one's own knee jerk prejudices.

For my part, I was a tad disappointed that Israel was not attempting to preserve its Euro-Semitic character.
 
PoS said:
So because Isreal is a small country then they should be excused for doing evil things because there are worse countries out there? Ridiculous.
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To put it another way, Israel should be excused for doing evil things because Jews in previous generations had evil things done to them. Absurd.

Or as one journalist put it:

'An ideology that divides the world into those who are worth more and those who are worth less, into superior and inferior beings, does not have to reach the dimensions of the German genocide to be wrong.'

- Amira Hass, Israeli journalist
 
shanners said:
To put it another way, Israel should be excused for doing evil things because Jews in previous generations had evil things done to them. Absurd.

Or as one journalist put it:

'An ideology that divides the world into those who are worth more and those who are worth less, into superior and inferior beings, does not have to reach the dimensions of the German genocide to be wrong.'

- Amira Hass, Israeli journalist
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You post FAKE NEWS....

Retraction?
 
HowardBThiname said:
Okay, so it turns out the story, which was published back in 2013, isn't even true.

CAMERA: The Fake News About "Fake News"
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The OP was based on a Forbes article (which itself was based on an article from Haaretz, an Isreali newspaper), not an Alternet one. Try again.

Here is the original article: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-ethiopians-fooled-into-birth-control-1.5226424

Apocalypse said:
Human beings are responsible for wrongdoings, among those is holding a racist agenda. Such racist agenda is Jew hatred and the modern obsession for Israel isn't rooted in some made up crimes against humanity of that liberal democracy but in pure and simple Jew hatred, the same kind that existed in the hearts of millions for enternity now. The rest are excuses, and thus the antisemitism must be called out for what it truly is. The obsession towards Israel is rooted in the racism of ill intentioned people.
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So any criticisms of Isreal must be "racist"? Is that all what your handlers in the Information Ministry can come up with? Your silly response is noted.
 
Kinda expected better from an ethnic group that was the victim of a genocide 75 years ago
 
I dont see anyting wrong with a requirment of a contraceptive shot that allows for the person who is choosing to immigrate into the country. Its not forced on them, they have the option to not immigrate into the country. And the science behind the contraceptive shot and health effects is pretty sound and safe. Plus the contraceptive is only temporary it lasts only 3 months.
The OP post is filled with open borders sentiment and from a very liberal journal. With the biggest outlier saying a 3 month contaceptive is sterilization, lol get your facts straight before you present an arguement.
 
PoS said:
So any criticisms of Isreal must be "racist"? Is that all what your handlers in the Information Ministry can come up with? Your silly response is noted.
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No, but obsessions like yours and RabidAlpaca's are certainly sourced in simple Jew hatred, the kind that always existed in this world.
Your first comment in this thread is a perfect example of how the mind of a racist Jew hating being works. Your suggestion that I'm being sent by some ministry is another (the thirst for conspiracy theories is extremely common among antisemites). Your first comment to me 4 years ago was about me being an Israeli in a thread that had nothing to do with Israel, it just angered you so much that a Jew is responding to you that you had to make that remark, that was a perfect example of an antisemite. I'm not even discussing your liking for Islamist groups that call for the annihilation of Jews. The fact you're an antisemite is so well documented and proven beyond doubt that it's ridiculous to even discuss it. Same goes for the 3 other racists who posted on this thread.
 
shanners said:
To put it another way, Israel should be excused for doing evil things because Jews in previous generations had evil things done to them. Absurd.

Or as one journalist put it:

'An ideology that divides the world into those who are worth more and those who are worth less, into superior and inferior beings, does not have to reach the dimensions of the German genocide to be wrong.'

- Amira Hass, Israeli journalist
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It's funny to see an antisemite quoting Amira Hass, a top 3 well known self haters, thinking it grants him points because she's an Israeli.
 
Apocalypse said:
No, but obsessions like yours and RabidAlpaca's are certainly sourced in simple Jew hatred, the kind that always existed in this world.
Your first comment in this thread is a perfect example of how the mind of a racist Jew hating being works. Your suggestion that I'm being sent by some ministry is another (the thirst for conspiracy theories is extremely common among antisemites). Your first comment to me 4 years ago was about me being an Israeli in a thread that had nothing to do with Israel, it just angered you so much that a Jew is responding to you that you had to make that remark, that was a perfect example of an antisemite. I'm not even discussing your liking for Islamist groups that call for the annihilation of Jews. The fact you're an antisemite is so well documented and proven beyond doubt that it's ridiculous to even discuss it. Same goes for the 3 other racists who posted on this thread.
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Your canned response to any criticism of Isreal is typical of a government propaganda machine. I'm not surprised since you have defended every atrocity the country ever made. Does the government pay you to defend them here?

And feel free to point out any quotes I made in your false accusation in my so-called liking of Islamic groups. All you have are your lies and misdirections.
 
PoS said:
The OP was based on a Forbes article (which itself was based on an article from Haaretz, an Isreali newspaper), not an Alternet one. Try again.
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Incorrect. Haaretz printed the correction after the study into the accusations turned out to be bogus. Had you just checked the date on your early article, you would have known that.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...pians-not-forced-into-birth-control-1.5392931


What's more interesting is that you wanted to believe the worst -- wanted to believe it so badly -- that you hunted down another article published prior to the one I posted, so you could try to keep the debunked accusations going.



So any criticisms of Isreal must be "racist"? Is that all what your handlers in the Information Ministry can come up with? Your silly response is noted.
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Continuing to repost debunked accusations certainly appears to fall into the racist category. Antisemitic, at any rate.
 
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