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After Rwandas genocide the world said never again. Its happening again in South Sudan

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Widespread ethnic cleansing, burning villages, looming starvation, and gang rape “so prevalent that it’s become ‘normal.’” This is what UN experts found when they took a 10-day trip to the African country of South Sudan in late November.
Now they’re sounding the alarm, warning that South Sudan, the world’s newest country, is “on the brink of catastrophe” that could rival the horrors of the 1994 Rwandan genocide. In that conflict, some 800,000 people were slaughtered in the span of just 100 days while the international community watched, unable or unwilling to stop the bloodshed. Former President Bill Clinton has called his decision not to intervene one of the biggest regrets of his presidency.

Future American leaders may one day feel the same way about Washington’s failure to take meaningful steps to end the bloodshed in South Sudan. Since civil war broke out there in December 2013, as many as 50,000 people have been killed. More than 2.3 million peoplehave been forced to flee their homes. Around 6 million people are currently at risk of going hungry, and 70 percent of schools have been closed due to the fighting.
So what is the conflict actually about? Who is fighting whom, and why? And does the US — which did more than any other country to help South Sudan win its independence — have any realistic way of stopping the carnage?


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The ethnic tensions are boiling over and Kiir's unified government fell apart. The newest country in the world had such great hope but as we are seeing right now its falling apart and is on the brink of full scale genocide from breaking out.
 
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The ethnic tensions are boiling over and Kiir's unified government fell apart. The newest country in the world had such great hope but as we are seeing right now its falling apart and is on the brink of full scale genocide from breaking out. [/FONT][/COLOR]

This is why armed safe-zones, with liberal rules of engagement for either government or non-government forces, should be established in failed states like this. Regardless of 'national sovereignty'.
 
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The ethnic tensions are boiling over and Kiir's unified government fell apart. The newest country in the world had such great hope but as we are seeing right now its falling apart and is on the brink of full scale genocide from breaking out. [/FONT][/COLOR]

It is happening in a number of places and is nearly continuous in one way or another. But hey! What do you think will happen, if nobody does anything about it?
 
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This is why armed safe-zones, with liberal rules of engagement for either government or non-government forces, should be established in failed states like this. Regardless of 'national sovereignty'.

And you want whi to do it?
 
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In South Africa also about 50.000 have been killed since 2013 and no one gives a ****. That's like one murder every 30 minutes and for years and years, nonstop! This is Africa. Life does not count much.

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And you want whi to do it?

Anyone who contributes but I would certainly have US troops participate if possible.
 
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The ethnic tensions are boiling over and Kiir's unified government fell apart. The newest country in the world had such great hope but as we are seeing right now its falling apart and is on the brink of full scale genocide from breaking out. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Yes, it's been going on for a long time. Lot's of people who don't get their news from the MSM have known it's been going on for a long time. Assad was always a distraction and if Bush and the rest of the establishment were serious about stopping the spread of terrorism then the target would have been South Sudan or Nigeria, not Syria.
 
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Anyone who contributes but I would certainly have US troops participate if possible.

Isn't this the sort of thing the UN is supposed to exist for? I'm so tired of people jumping up and saying "THE US SHOULD DO SOMETHING" while simultaneously whining about the U.S. being the world police.
 
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Anyone who contributes but I would certainly have US troops participate if possible.

I don't think I would want that unless all major countries each put the same number of boots in proportion to their population in the field and the mandate is by the UN. Otherwise I think we should restrict ourselves to helping our allies.
 
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Isn't this the sort of thing the UN is supposed to exist for? I'm so tired of people jumping up and saying "THE US SHOULD DO SOMETHING" while simultaneously whining about the U.S. being the world police.

The UN should do something. But I'm unwilling to let people be slaughtered because of an unreliable UN failing to give the proper authorization.
 
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I don't think I would want that unless all major countries each put the same number of boots in proportion to their population in the field and the mandate is by the UN. Otherwise I think we should restrict ourselves to helping our allies.

Thats fine, but I comprehensively disagree. I'm a staunch internationalist.
 
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Thats fine, but I comprehensively disagree. I'm a staunch internationalist.

So am I. But I am also increasingly against paying for global public goods without our economic and partially military competitors riding free.
 
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I don't think I would want that unless all major countries each put the same number of boots in proportion to their population in the field and the mandate is by the UN. Otherwise I think we should restrict ourselves to helping our allies.

I gotta disagree. If you wait for everything to be just right, millions could die who could otherwise be saved.

This would be a VERY noble cause...I see little downside as it would basically be a peacekeeping mission - which tends to have VERY low casualties for the peacekeepers.

And America's reputation could only benefit from this...possibly hugely.

Just keep it simple...establish a safe zone, guard it with maximum firepower and blow anyone to bits who tries to attack it. Just make sure the troops are armed to the teeth and that they have very clear rules of engagement - anyone attacks, destroy/capture them; if they are attacked repeatedly, the allied troops are free to go after the enemy bases with artillery/cruise missiles/air power...but NO TROOPS ARE TO LEAVE THE SAFE ZONE on Search and Destroy missions...that just leads to Americans captured/tortured and paraded on YouTube (a PR nightmare).
 
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I gotta disagree. If you wait for everything to be just right, millions could die who could otherwise be saved.

This would be a VERY noble cause...I see little downside as it would basically be a peacekeeping mission - which tends to have VERY low casualties for the peacekeepers.

And America's reputation could only benefit from this...possibly hugely.

Just keep it simple...establish a safe zone, guard it with maximum firepower and blow anyone to bits who tries to attack it. Just make sure the troops are armed to the teeth and that they have very clear rules of engagement - anyone attacks, destroy/capture them; if they are attacked repeatedly, the allied troops are free to go after the enemy bases with artillery/cruise missiles/air power...but NO TROOPS ARE TO LEAVE THE SAFE ZONE on Search and Destroy missions...that just leads to Americans captured/tortured and paraded on YouTube (a PR nightmare).

That is all a fine idea and it would have been great, had we internationalised security, when the UN members were interested. But we didn't keep up the momentum.
 
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So am I. But I am also increasingly against paying for global public goods without our economic and partially military competitors riding free.

I am too, but I'm not going to let people be slaughtered on that account. If I have a choice.
 
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I am too, but I'm not going to let people be slaughtered on that account. If I have a choice.

Well then, write a letter to Obama and ask why he didn't stop the torture, mass murder and massive crimes against humanity, when it would have been possible in Syria or Libya.
 
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Well then, write a letter to Obama and ask why he didn't stop the torture, mass murder and massive crimes against humanity, when it would have been possible in Syria or Libya.

I completely agree. He was an utter failure on foreign policy in so many ways.
 
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Anyone who contributes but I would certainly have US troops participate if possible.
Then what? How do you force two people who hate themselves and do not want the same civilizational model to live together? Will you instigate the Sharia or a liberal regime? Put a Christian in power or a Muslim?

They do not want the same thing. The only solution is to separate them, in other words to create homogeneous territories, which is the definition of an ethnic cleansing. Although it could be a non-lethal one. Will you have your US army make an ethnic cleansing?

Multiple social identities cannot live together unless they are highly compatible, or one clearly dominates tiny minorities. In other configurations the only possible long-term outcomes are assimilation, extermination or secession.

What we see today in Sudan is the future of Europe in a century if we do not halt immigration now.
 
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That is all a fine idea and it would have been great, had we internationalised security, when the UN members were interested. But we didn't keep up the momentum.

True.
 
Re: After Rwandas genocide the world said never again. Its happening again in South S

Isn't this the sort of thing the UN is supposed to exist for? I'm so tired of people jumping up and saying "THE US SHOULD DO SOMETHING" while simultaneously whining about the U.S. being the world police.

The UN depends on its member states to provide the people and resources to step in, and more often then not its Scandinavian countries and smaller European countries that do so. And Bangladesh for some reason...
 
Re: After Rwandas genocide the world said never again. Its happening again in South S

I gotta disagree. If you wait for everything to be just right, millions could die who could otherwise be saved.

This would be a VERY noble cause...I see little downside as it would basically be a peacekeeping mission - which tends to have VERY low casualties for the peacekeepers.

And America's reputation could only benefit from this...possibly hugely.

Just keep it simple...establish a safe zone, guard it with maximum firepower and blow anyone to bits who tries to attack it. Just make sure the troops are armed to the teeth and that they have very clear rules of engagement - anyone attacks, destroy/capture them; if they are attacked repeatedly, the allied troops are free to go after the enemy bases with artillery/cruise missiles/air power...but NO TROOPS ARE TO LEAVE THE SAFE ZONE on Search and Destroy missions...that just leads to Americans captured/tortured and paraded on YouTube (a PR nightmare).

Totally agree, and for the record it worked in Iraqi Kurdistan.
 
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