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Xilnik said:
To me, the reason things have not died down is because demands have not been met, and I see no way for them to be met. The demands vary from person to person, leader to leader, etc. There is no real leadership, and each city has a different leader; some even have multiple different leaders who show up on any given night with all of them expressing different demands. While the Black Lives Matter webpage has goals in mind, it does not really have plans in place to achieve those goals. The plans it does have, many of the Black Lives Matter chapters disagree with and define new ways they want to settle grievances.

This has been extremely frustrating for me to watch. I agree with what Black Lives Matter wants to accomplish, but I have disagreed at multiple turns with how people have acted who claim to support them. I disagree with trying to make all change happen in one foul swoop too. Without knowing what works and what does not, there is no way to know whether any of the demands will fix anything or make matters worse. I am starting to think the GOP bill is closer to what should happen by making small changes and seeing how those impact law enforcement, conducting studies, and then making more changes based on actual evidence.
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There are sometimes tipping points where these anarchistic groups make the leap to leadership and a seat at the table.
The best example in recent memory are Code Pink and ActUP!
Both were very forceful anarchist groups bent on disruption only until they were finally asked to sit down and come up with solutions, which they finally did.
The various homeless coalitions actually got to participate in Utah's first efforts at solving homelessness, which is remarkable given the oppositional ideologies of Utah politics and the homeless groups.

But beware, most of these groups can't make the leap because too many are clinging too tightly to the group's anarchist roots, and they do not want to accept that the larger majority support is going to come from people who do not believe in anarchy.

BLM might suffer this fate and if so, that is not the end of the cause because other groups like The Movement for Black Lives and NAACP will step in and take up the slack. But right now it is BLM which is in the spotlight.
The larger majority, if it offers support, WILL CHANGE the face of BLM whether they like it or not.
That's already happening just by virtue of the fact that the MFBL and NAACP are partnering with BLM.

Believing that black lives matter and believing in anti-fascism is not the same thing as promoting the "brand name" of the group and it's ideologies but in reality, just believing in anti-fascism and believing that black lives matter is what drives most people to the polls.

And that scares the living crap out of Team Trump, because they know that while it's good red meat to their base whenever Trump's goons flatten the face of an Antifa member or someone marching with BLM, it does not sell the millions who might disagree with the ideological face of both but who otherwise believe in the cause.

On the other hand, BLM just MIGHT make the leap, in which case three or four years from now or even sooner, you might see a former BLM head sitting in the House or Senate. That shouldn't surprise anyone considering John Lewis was a founding member of SNCC.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
There are sometimes tipping points where these anarchistic groups make the leap to leadership and a seat at the table.
The best example in recent memory are Code Pink and ActUP!
Both were very forceful anarchist groups bent on disruption only until they were finally asked to sit down and come up with solutions, which they finally did.
The various homeless coalitions actually got to participate in Utah's first efforts at solving homelessness, which is remarkable given the oppositional ideologies of Utah politics and the homeless groups.

But beware, most of these groups can't make the leap because too many are clinging too tightly to the group's anarchist roots, and they do not want to accept that the larger majority support is going to come from people who do not believe in anarchy.

BLM might suffer this fate and if so, that is not the end of the cause because other groups like The Movement for Black Lives and NAACP will step in and take up the slack. But right now it is BLM which is in the spotlight.
The larger majority, if it offers support, WILL CHANGE the face of BLM whether they like it or not.
That's already happening just by virtue of the fact that the MFBL and NAACP are partnering with BLM.

Believing that black lives matter and believing in anti-fascism is not the same thing as promoting the "brand name" of the group and it's ideologies but in reality, just believing in anti-fascism and believing that black lives matter is what drives most people to the polls.

And that scares the living crap out of Team Trump, because they know that while it's good red meat to their base whenever Trump's goons flatten the face of an Antifa member or someone marching with BLM, it does not sell the millions who might disagree with the ideological face of both but who otherwise believe in the cause.

On the other hand, BLM just MIGHT make the leap, in which case three or four years from now or even sooner, you might see a former BLM head sitting in the House or Senate. That shouldn't surprise anyone considering John Lewis was a founding member of SNCC.
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I agree. BLM got noticed years ago, but never acquired any negotiating power. Considered perhaps a bit too radical by the average suburban John/Jane Doe. But that changed on May 25 when George Floyd was murdered before the eyes of the nation. In significant numbers, the white population joined with BLM in demonstrations from coast to coast. BLM suddenly acquired cachet and negotiating power. It is now two months after the 9 minute death of Mr. Floyd and nothing has really changed legislatively. Trump/GOP still feel they can wean John/Jane Doe from the BLM movement. To this end, they have disingenuously claimed to be the People's Champions of Law and Order (the most corrupt federal government in my lifetime), and framed BLM protests as violent (although this is demonstrably not true in most cases). They chose the Pacific northwest to unveil their new strategy because the northwest (Portland/Seattle) seems to be a magnet for anarchists. They sent in unidentified goon squads for nighttime clashes with the anarchists (ignoring BLM protests during the day) to obtain the video for their new ad campaign. You won't see such combustible scenes play out in Chicago because there is an absence of anarchists in that city.
 
OlNate said:
Heya, Chom. Nope, hadn't seen it, thank you for this. :) I have heard him talk about parts of this in his videos, but never saw this article. It confirms a fair bit of what I've come to understand through bits and pieces.
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Yep. Didn't even know he had a blog.

I must give credit to Trippy Trekker, though! I saw it in one of his replies to another poster's blog entry.
 
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