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Let's talk about logical fallacies....

OlNate

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A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
 
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OlNate said:
A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
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Great analysis! The guy's pretty sharp, he seems to have been talking without notes. I've probably been guilty of some of those debate tactics as well.
 
X Factor said:
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Why? The guy wasn't taking a side, he was just describing fallacious tactics people use to try to make their point.

You must have a guilty conscience, my friend!
 
OlNate said:
A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
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I really learned quite a bit from that. And you're right a LOT of DP posters would benefit from seeing it... especially those who don't want to see it! :lol:
 
X Factor said:
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"****, he's talking about my posts!"









The things he's describing have been splattere around boards for decades and decades.
 
OlNate said:
A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
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While considering nearly all of his logical fallacy examples, I kept thinking about support for organized religion which seems to be based on many (most?) of them - it (organized religion) was saved by his final point which was that even if the argument (point?) presented was based totally on logical fallacies it still might be true. Debate works in mysterious ways. ;)
 
OlNate said:
A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
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Alright, I'd like to know what this guy's all about. I swear, I can't peg him.

He's complex. From his posts he's had a LEO thing going on it seems, but he's not a Law & Order guy. If anything, he's measured in tone against police abuse. He looks like a Southern Good Ol' Boy, but unlike the old moonshine runners he appears to be well educated. Yet despite his obvious education, he comes across as an unpretentious working Joe. And despite his looks and his slight Southern inflection (to my ears), he seems quite Liberal.

If I had to guess, I'd think he might be, or have been, and educator. A LEO that retired, and became an educator as a second career. But that's just a complete W.A.G .on my part.

Perhaps he's a Southern new millennial version of this guy, below? Yeah, that's it!


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lurchadams said:
Great analysis! The guy's pretty sharp, he seems to have been talking without notes. I've probably been guilty of some of those debate tactics as well.
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I believe he was ruminating without descriptive notes, but might have a list of the fallacies to his lower left.

But yeah, he's a lot sharper than basic outward appearances and demeanor might suggest.
 
DiAnna said:
I really learned quite a bit from that. And you're right a LOT of DP posters would benefit from seeing it... especially those who don't want to see it! :lol:
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I suspect, but don't know, if he had a list of the fallacies in front of him? They're all the standard fallacies that many know or learned, especially in a debate or public speaking class.

But what is impressive, is he remembered all of them off the top of his head! If I had to guess, the guy may work in some capacity as an educator, or had a college/university level class covering the fallacies - where he really had an interest in them!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
While considering nearly all of his logical fallacy examples, I kept thinking about support for organized religion which seems to be based on many (most?) of them - it (organized religion) was saved by his final point which was that even if the argument (point?) presented was based totally on logical fallacies it still might be true. Debate works in mysterious ways. ;)
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As crazy as it sounds, run-on sentence and all, I know exactly what you said there! That was quite a bit of logic, itself! And I agree! :thumbs:
 
The guy did a great job.
 
X Factor said:
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Huh...I'm honestly surprised you chickened out on this one. It's about as nonpartisan as you can get. But, ok. :shrug:

You may wanna secretly give it a watch, though... educating people on fallacies helps them spot them better, and avoid using them and being called out for it.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
While considering nearly all of his logical fallacy examples, I kept thinking about support for organized religion which seems to be based on many (most?) of them - it (organized religion) was saved by his final point which was that even if the argument (point?) presented was based totally on logical fallacies it still might be true. Debate works in mysterious ways. ;)
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Yeah, it does... :) I think the fascinating thing about debate is that it can go so many ways. If I'm debating for fun, I'll knowingly use any of these to win, especially if I'm just being contrarian. However, if it's something I care about I'll do my best to avoid them, so that the message can be heard. It's the intellectual equivalent of using your strength to knock someone down or help them up. Communication is interesting. :)
 
lurchadams said:
Great analysis! The guy's pretty sharp, he seems to have been talking without notes. I've probably been guilty of some of those debate tactics as well.
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I highly recommend watching any of his videos. He's about the only guy out there I'd give that kind of carte blanche recommendation for - while I haven't seen all of his videos, given what I have watched I doubt I'll embarrass myself giving that recommendation. :)
 
OlNate said:
A really good primer on debate tactics, for nerds like me who is interested in this stuff. I've posted videos from this guy before, he's probably my favorite political youtuber at the moment. I'm sure you'll recognize many of these concepts at play here at DP, as he explains them. It's a really good explanation of the various fallacy tactics that debaters use. I know I've been guilty of a few myself... ;) :lol:



No real debate here, I didn't know where else to put it. Maybe bump it with a comment, though, as I think a lot of folks here would benefit from seeing this one...hehe... :cheers:
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How can the guy think that attacking the climate change activists for riding in gas guzzling SUVs is a fallacy? Isn't guzzling gas reaaaaaly bad for the environment according to the climate change activist?? Isn't the environment at its tipping point according to climate change activists?

OK, quiz: That a certain politician said we have 9 years to correct climate change and, because of that statement, it is imperative that we do something about climate change is an example of which philosophical error?
 
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OlNate said:
Huh...I'm honestly surprised you chickened out on this one. It's about as nonpartisan as you can get. But, ok. :shrug:

You may wanna secretly give it a watch, though... educating people on fallacies helps them spot them better, and avoid using them and being called out for it.
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I would recommend watching more than once...I especially appreciated the fallacy of composition...assuming all people in any certain group all act/say/believe in the same way... thanks for posting...
 
Chomsky said:
I believe he was ruminating without descriptive notes, but might have a list of the fallacies to his lower left.

But yeah, he's a lot sharper than basic outward appearances and demeanor might suggest.
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I was hoping to get some woodworking tips!


Book/cover?
 
Elvira said:
I would recommend watching more than once...I especially appreciated the fallacy of composition...assuming all people in any certain group all act/say/believe in the same way... thanks for posting...
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Unless they're white, of course. There's that nasty white supremacy, right?:roll: Oh, and the police. Every police person must act like the one who killed Floyd, right? Isn't that why there was protesting from coast to coast after Floyd was killed?:roll:
 
Here is the same man making mistakes he points out in his logical comments.

Hint, he judges cops by one cop but he does more. spot them.

 
Robertinfremont said:
Here is the same man making mistakes he points out in his logical comments.

Hint, he judges cops by one cop but he does more. spot them.

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Mebe he has transformed himself from his illogical thinking? Ah, if that were the case, I imagine he'd want to exhibit some sort of mea culpa by showing many of the 'incorrect thinking' segments of his own.
 
Chomsky said:
Alright, I'd like to know what this guy's all about. I swear, I can't peg him.

He's complex. From his posts he's had a LEO thing going on it seems, but he's not a Law & Order guy. If anything, he's measured in tone against police abuse. He looks like a Southern Good Ol' Boy, but unlike the old moonshine runners he appears to be well educated. Yet despite his obvious education, he comes across as an unpretentious working Joe. And despite his looks and his slight Southern inflection (to my ears), he seems quite Liberal.

If I had to guess, I'd think he might be, or have been, and educator. A LEO that retired, and became an educator as a second career. But that's just a complete W.A.G .on my part.

Perhaps he's a Southern new millennial version of this guy, below? Yeah, that's it!


54f5d6756bb3f74c73d23756
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hehe...he's actually even more mysterious. But some of his early videos discuss his past. Here's what I know:

He was never LEO or enlisted military, rather he was a military contractor. He has trained police forces, but no longer does, out of principle, except in a few cases where individual officers wanted to understand how to avoid hurting people.
After that he became a journalist.
He is not university educated.
He has spent time in prison.
If I had to describe his politics, it would be progressive libertarianism...lol...which I know, doesn't sound like a thing, but it stems from his attitude that the government isn't really representing you folks anymore, so it's on communities to drive the changes progressives want to see.
He is not lock step with #progressives, but favors common sense and reason. His series on gun control is a fantastic example of that.

To be honest, and I know that you'll believe me, since you know me a bit, the reason I like him best is that he's extremely disciplined (for the most part, we all **** up...hehe) and he doesn't default into any particular thought bucket, to where it would allow him to advocate for something that wasn't right or smart.

Remember when we were talking about great American leaders? This guy possesses a lot of the traits that I think of when considering them.
 
OlNate said:
hehe...he's actually even more mysterious. But some of his early videos discuss his past. Here's what I know:

He was never LEO or enlisted military, rather he was a military contractor. He has trained police forces, but no longer does, out of principle, except in a few cases where individual officers wanted to understand how to avoid hurting people.
After that he became a journalist.
He is not university educated.
He has spent time in prison.
If I had to describe his politics, it would be progressive libertarianism...lol...which I know, doesn't sound like a thing, but it stems from his attitude that the government isn't really representing you folks anymore, so it's on communities to drive the changes progressives want to see.
He is not lock step with #progressives, but favors common sense and reason. His series on gun control is a fantastic example of that.

To be honest, and I know that you'll believe me, since you know me a bit, the reason I like him best is that he's extremely disciplined (for the most part, we all **** up...hehe) and he doesn't default into any particular thought bucket, to where it would allow him to advocate for something that wasn't right or smart.

Remember when we were talking about great American leaders? This guy possesses a lot of the traits that I think of when considering them.
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Out of all this post the phrase 'progressive libertarianism' caused me to write this post. Being progressive and being libertarian are two opposite things. A libertarian is for small gov't and a progressive is for massive gov't. Maybe you meant left-leaning libertarian? Or a progressive?
 
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Robertinfremont said:
Here is the same man making mistakes he points out in his logical comments.

Hint, he judges cops by one cop but he does more. spot them.

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So, he never says he's perfect... :shrug: But I'm sure if you were to ask him, he'd point you to way better examples than this. This is not one of his political videos, this is a training video, on a subject he's qualified to speak on. Weird one to pick, bud.

Did you find anything incorrect about his discussion of the various logical fallacies?
 
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