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Blacks: embrace education

ttwtt78640 said:
I agree, but that requires that the parents be educated (aware?) enough to recognize the specific problem. This is one area where the school system (teacher or councilor?) should be able to offer assistance/advice to the parent.
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Absolutely. They would have the support of the entire IEP team which includes administrators, school psychologist, social worker, nurse, teacher, special education teacher, etc. Great parents come to those meetings to ask questions and get help in any way they can. Way too many parents are "too busy" to come (even though they are scheduled around the parents' work schedule to ensure they can attend).
 
swing_voter said:
There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.
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How cute that you feel the need to "black-splain" things.

Amazingly out of touch...
 
Josie said:
A bad teacher can cause trauma..... is that what you're asking?
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The left says if we pay them more, we will get better results. It only follows that the teachers are partially to blame because we are not paying them more.
 
Drawdown said:
It isn't just true of poor black communities. The same thing happens in poor white communities. Even while tracking is officially dead, the reality is that educators try to push poor kids to trades instead of college; poor kids aren't going to get the discipline passes that the kids of doctors and lawyers do; and many poor white kids have the same anti-education mentality as many poor black kids do.
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It has to come from the kids. More importantly mom and dad have to reinforce the importance of a good education.

Vietnamese Americans came here with nothing, now they're all upper middle class, doctors, scientists, educators.

There's no reason black people can't do the same. All it takes is a cultural shift.
 
swing_voter said:
It has to come from the kids. More importantly mom and dad have to reinforce the importance of a good education.

Vietnamese Americans came here with nothing, now they're all upper middle class, doctors, scientists, educators.

There's no reason black people can't do the same. All it takes is a cultural shift.
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There is no reason poor white people cannot do the same. All it takes is a cultural shift.
 
Drawdown said:
There is no reason poor white people cannot do the same. All it takes is a cultural shift.
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That's true. I'm focusing on blacks because of the riots.

There's nothing worse that seeing parents who don't value education not helping or encouraging their children with their homework.
 
ecofarm said:
Did professor whitey get his degree in black people at Whitey U?
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Sounds similar to useless degrees that universities cook up to make money.
 
American said:
Sounds similar to useless degrees that universities cook up to make money.
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Sure, American, racism is pretty much the same as a formal education. You learn that at a backwoods militia compound? Did they also teach you that a public school's highest goal is making money? I bet they did tell you that schools don't care about learning or society at all. They spew whatever bs pops into their head so they can make money, just like Trump U.

You have a cult President with a fraud university to his name. And you have the nerve to attack real educations. If one keeps sucking Trump's ass, perhaps eventually a certificate of participation will fall out. Then you'll have a degree too. Try hard. Make everyone proud of you. A deep breath and then back in there. For Trump! For whitey!
 
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CMPancake said:
I think my favorite thing about the OP aside from how he stepped on the point like a rake but still failed to see it beyond "oh, it's just the blacks don't want to learn how to read good."
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Can you actually state where the OP is wrong?
 
swing_voter said:
There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.
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You're looking at an uphill battle here. You're assuming that whites, Vietnamese, blacks and Hispanics are merely different brands of cars: Chevy, Ford, Honda, etc.

All brands of cars benefit from the same maintenance: oil changes, tire inflation, etc. This is where you are coming from with regard to the different 'brands' of people, and I certainly agree with it.

However, with blacks especially, society considers them fundamentally different. They aren't merely a different brand of car - they are boats. Boats benefit from an entirely different maintenance scheme than would a car.

So about fostering education, fathers at home and such which you think would make sense for cars, you're being unfair to boats which somehow can't, won't, or shouldn't benefit from those items.
 
Josie said:
16 year elementary teacher here. In my experience, you are correct. I work in a low-income district. It has everything to do with the family. General education students from stable, healthy families whose parent or parents are active participants in their child's education will most likely do average to very well in school. I was one of those kids in the 80s. I grew up poor but with great parents who had high expectations for me and my siblings. Those children who grow up with parents who are never around, unstable relationships and home lives, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, emotional, verbal, physical and sexual abuse are going to struggle a LOT in school. It's not the parents' income that makes the difference --- it's the parents' attitudes, expectations and stability of the home.
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Yup, inner city schools IMO are for the most part disaster zones. Kids growing up in broken families surrounded by violence and decay. How
can a kid thrive in a crime ridden environment that characterizes our inner cities, most end up surrendering and become part of the problem. Black
on black homicide in our inner cities is off the charts, a stat no one seems to want to talk about. If we could stop the killing maybe a kid could
learn how add and subtract ..the liberal solution is to throw money at the problem. Look at these numbers, keep in mind blacks make up 30%
of the population.

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ecofarm said:
Sure, American, racism is pretty much the same as a formal education. You learn that at a backwoods militia compound? Did they also teach you that a public school's highest goal is making money? I bet they did tell you that schools don't care about learning or society at all. They spew whatever bs pops into their head so they can make money, just like Trump U.

You have a cult President with a fraud university to his name. And you have the nerve to attack real educations. If one keeps sucking Trump's ass, perhaps eventually a certificate of participation will fall out. Then you'll have a degree too. Try hard. Make everyone proud of you. A deep breath and then back in there. For Trump! For whitey!
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You've become completely senseless. How many of your posts contain the word 'racism' or 'racist' in them. You remind me of someone else around here who assumes racism is part of everything.
 
swing_voter said:
There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.
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Talk about racist dog whistling.......

Got any stats on that??

Even better and what might actually provide accurate results, got any stats comparing the education scores of schools in extremely poor white communities??

Oh no one ever did that study... hmmm curious that someone would choose to target people by race as if that is the deciding factor....


You mean that if you go to a community in over he top poverty. That the children are not as well behaved?!?!

Nooooo!!


Also in breaking news, water=wet....


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American said:
You've become completely senseless. How many of your posts contain the word 'racism' or 'racist' in them. You remind me of someone else around here who assumes racism is part of everything.
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Gee, someone whining about others talking about racism. I wonder why.
 
ecofarm said:
Gee, someone whining about others talking about racism. I wonder why.
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Because when idiots yell racism about EVERYTHING then normal people rightly question that persons mental health.
 
Ignatius said:
Because when idiots yell racism about EVERYTHING then normal people rightly question that persons mental health.
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"Yelling racist about everything" huh? That's a problem for you?

Poor white victim.
 
ecofarm said:
"Yelling racist about everything" huh? That's a problem for you?

Poor white victim.
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I'm not a victim but you clearing think I am so you're the one with the victim mentality. You see EVERYTHING through the prism of race. How do you know if I'm white? Oh I know because you're a racist ass hole
 
Ignatius said:
I'm not a victim but you clearing think I am so you're the one with the victim mentality. You see EVERYTHING through the prism of race. How do you know if I'm white? Oh I know because you're a racist ass hole
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Let's see if we can make this real clear real quick.

When some random internet person, who has never had a single class in anthropology, starts spewing racist bs about black people, it's okay to call the racist bs racist. That's okay. One don't have to accept racist bs from random people online.

You can cry if you want but I don't care.
 
ecofarm said:
Let's see if we can make this real clear real quick.

When some random internet person, who has never had a single class in anthropology, starts spewing racist bs about black people, it's okay to call the racist bs racist. That's okay. You don't have to accept racist bs from random people online.
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You've never had a class on anthropology?
 
ecofarm said:
I've had many a grad class in anthropology. You ever been to college?
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You made the claim I never took an anthropology class. Now show your evidence. Do,it now or admit you talk through your ass.
 
Ignatius said:
You made the claim I never took an anthropology class. Now show your evidence. Do,it now or admit you talk through your ass.
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I wasn't referring to you, but okay. I'll bet you don't have school. What ya got.
 
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