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[W: #1372][W: #1004] [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

All irrelevant to the document and its content and intent.

I found the Governors compelling. Funny how fast YOU arrogantly dismissed the 4 Governors.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

And half of Tennessee revolted as a result due to their unwillingness to fight for slavery.

And Virginia promptly invaded West Virginia for seceding in order to avoid having to fight to protect slavery.

And Kentucky wound up in the Union camp after the Confederacy violated its “neutrality” by invading it.

Irrelevant and you know it is.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Irrelevant and you know it is.

No, it’s very relevant.

The people of the states knew it was a fight to protect slavery.

That’s why West Virginia and East Tennessee rebelled against the Confederacy.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Whereas the laws of the United States have been, for some time past, and now, are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, in the states of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the Marshals by law, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution and the laws, have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call out forth the militia of the several states, of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventyfive thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed. The details, for this object, will be immediately communicated to the State authorities, through the War Department.

I appeal to all loyal citizens to favor, facilitate, and aid this effort to maintain the honor, the integrity, and the existence of our National Union and the perpetuity of popular government; and to redress wrongs, already too long endured.

I deem it proper to say that the first service assigned to the forces hereby called forth will be to repossess the forts, places and property, which have been seized from the Union; and, in every event, the utmost care will be observed, consistly with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any devastation; any destruction of, or interference with, property, or any disturbance of peaceful citizens, in any part of the country--

And I hereby command the persons composing the combinations aforesaid to disperse, and retire peaceably to their respective abodes, within twenty days from this date--

Deeming that the present condition of public affairs presents an extraordinary occasion, I do hereby in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, I do hereby convene both Houses of Congress,-- Senators and Representatives are therefore summoned to assemble at their respective chambers, at 12. o,clock, noon, on Thursday the fourth day of July next, then and there to consider, and determine, such measures as, in their wisdom, the public safety, and interest, may seem to demand.

You keep thinking that is responsive. Did the Congress declare war to get the troops called?
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

No, it’s very relevant.

The people of the states knew it was a fight to protect slavery.

That’s why West Virginia and East Tennessee rebelled against the Confederacy.

You did not make it relevant.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Asked and answered.

Why do you continue to ask a question already answered?

Nothing Lincoln said in the irrelevant document proves he invaded VA due to slavery.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

I just did.

It’s not my fault you don’t comprehend it.

See how you operate. Make mistakes and then get all whoa is me on me and the forum.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

You keep thinking that is responsive. Did the Congress declare war to get the troops called?

It is the reason troops marched into Virginia.

Not for war but to recoup federal lands and properties.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

See how you operate. Make mistakes and then get all whoa is me on me and the forum.

It is "Woe is me" and that isn't what is happening.

Multiple people are showing you where you intentionally ignorant.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

See how you operate. Make mistakes and then get all whoa is me on me and the forum.

Oh look, you are projecting again.

I certainly didn’t make any “mistakes”....unlike you, who hasn’t said anything correct yet.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

OK, prove it by stating the reasons Abe gave for his invasion into VA at Manassas.

And this time do not lie.

To put down a rebellion. The war was always about putting down a rebellion for Abe.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

To put down a rebellion. The war was always about putting down a rebellion for Abe.

That is right moot. And accept a gold star for correct analogy.

This i can bite into as well.

This is a funny nation to put down a rebellion when our founders rebelled.

That is what the South thought as well. They had a right to change government as endorsed by Thomas Jefferson, et al. Thomas was not the only scholar of the era who believed states had the right to secede. I approve the South actions for a major issue my opponents refuse to discuss that being the voters of the states met and voted to leave. When the public wants to leave, this is the only proper course and duty of the public servants.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

What dishonesty do you IMAGINE I have presented?

Your fraudulent claims about me to be specific. And of course you act as if I do not know history.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

It is the reason troops marched into Virginia.

Not for war but to recoup federal lands and properties.

That is the lie Lincoln told.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

Your fraudulent claims about me to be specific. And of course you act as if I do not know history.

What "fraudulent claims" about you?

You are anything but specific.

I act as if you do not know history because you don't.

You don't know why the 75,000 were called up. Even after I both explained and posted Lincolns proclamation. You were ignorant of the timeline of southern aggression against the Federal government. Ignorant of the weaponry arrayed against Ft. Sumter. Ignorant of the number of shells that struck in and on the fort. Ignorant of what Howitzers and mortars do. Ignorant of the ownership of Ft. Sumter.

I could go on if I wanted.
 
Re: [W:475]The Real Reason the South Seceded by Donald Livingston

What "fraudulent claims" about you?

You are anything but specific.

I act as if you do not know history because you don't.

You don't know why the 75,000 were called up. Even after I both explained and posted Lincolns proclamation. You were ignorant of the timeline of southern aggression against the Federal government. Ignorant of the weaponry arrayed against Ft. Sumter. Ignorant of the number of shells that struck in and on the fort. Ignorant of what Howitzers and mortars do. Ignorant of the ownership of Ft. Sumter.

I could go on if I wanted.

T hat is so wrong I am shrugging you off as not willing to be honest.
 
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