Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

marke said:

How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

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Did you mean "dumbass"? :lamo

Anyways, all you have is to call some people morons, you don't bring any better or worse solutions to the table. Oh, and there you go with the insults again - trying to get on Jesus' naughty list are we?

americanwoman said:

Did you mean "dumbass"? :lamo

Anyways, all you have is to call some people morons, you don't bring any better or worse solutions to the table. Oh, and there you go with the insults again - trying to get on Jesus' naughty list are we?

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Does the prospect of growing the government and spending trillions of hard-earned taxpayer dollars on overpaid college employees excite you? If so, you must be a beneficiary of government largesse. You should know that such wasteful squandering of precious tax dollars is going to lead to the ruin of the American economy. That is why good economists are "sounding the alarm" against such dangerous foolishness for anyone who will listen.

americanwoman said:

Did you mean "dumbass"? :lamo

Anyways, all you have is to call some people morons, you don't bring any better or worse solutions to the table. Oh, and there you go with the insults again - trying to get on Jesus' naughty list are we?

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Perhaps we should give the individual colleges a (one time) lump sum of available credit - the colleges which produce graduates who repay prepay student loans made from that college's account are able to lend to future students, those who do not must rely on students able to pay by other means or close their (worthless?) campuses. That would make the college's credit accounts work like any other - one can borrow up to the preset limit but after that one can only what what they have managed to repay.

marke said:

Does the prospect of growing the government and spending trillions of hard-earned taxpayer dollars on overpaid college employees excite you? If so, you must be a beneficiary of government largesse. You should know that such wasteful squandering of precious tax dollars is going to lead to the ruin of the American economy. That is why good economists are "sounding the alarm" against such dangerous foolishness for anyone who will listen.

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Like the prospect of a growing government, say throwing billions at the border, doesn't excite you? It's only this one, Americans getting educated, that grinds your gears - I mean spelling dumbass as dummass tells us exactly your stance on education. I don't support all the democrats 100% on all their proposals but something does need to be done. I hardly think making higher education affordable or close to free is not a bad investment for our nation.

ttwtt78640 said:

Perhaps we should give the individual colleges a (one time) lump sum of available credit - the colleges which produce graduates who repay prepay student loans made from that college's account are able to lend to future students, those who do not must rely on students able to pay by other means or close their (worthless?) campuses. That would make the college's credit accounts work like any other - one can borrow up to the preset limit but after that one can only what what they have managed to repay.

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That's an interesting idea.

Another issue to address is what they spend on sports. Now I love college sports, don't get me wrong, but many colleges spend an awful lot on athletics that could be going to education.

marke said:

Does the prospect of growing the government and spending trillions of hard-earned taxpayer dollars on overpaid college employees excite you? If so, you must be a beneficiary of government largesse. You should know that such wasteful squandering of precious tax dollars is going to lead to the ruin of the American economy. That is why good economists are "sounding the alarm" against such dangerous foolishness for anyone who will listen.

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We seem to be spending trillions anyway, might as well get something for the effort, yeah?

americanwoman said:

Like the prospect of a growing government, say throwing billions at the border, doesn't excite you? It's only this one, Americans getting educated, that grinds your gears - I mean spelling dumbass as dummass tells us exactly your stance on education. I don't support all the democrats 100% on all their proposals but something does need to be done. I hardly think making higher education affordable or close to free is not a bad investment for our nation.

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If the government has unlimited money then why not just give low IQ citizens plenty of money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives and let them forget college?

Ikari said:

We seem to be spending trillions anyway, might as well get something for the effort, yeah?

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That seems to be the democrat mindset. What difference does a dozen or so trillion dollars make at this point?

marke said:

That seems to be the democrat mindset. What difference does a dozen or so trillion dollars make at this point?

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With the Trump deficit? Not much, lol.

americanwoman said:

Did you mean "dumbass"? :lamo

Anyways, all you have is to call some people morons, you don't bring any better or worse solutions to the table. Oh, and there you go with the insults again - trying to get on Jesus' naughty list are we?

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How about no free college for anyone until kids like those at Shriners Hospital no longer have to beg for funds.

marke said:

How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

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I don't support "free college" for everyone, but I do support state-funded education post K-12. Tennessee is pretty 'red' and our state funds free community college and trade school for all residents, and funds quite a bit of a four year degree for qualified students.

Here's a lengthy article about the program.

The red state that loves free college.

It was implemented because the people recruiting businesses to Tennessee couldn't find enough qualified applicants for the good jobs the state was trying to attract. And it's been a common refrain on the right that the way to better jobs is better qualifications, etc. So to their credit our GOP Governor and the GOP legislature put this into place, on top of a program funded by the lottery that funds free tuition at four year state colleges for good students. It's good for the business community because the state pays some of their education and training and good for the people getting the training, that qualifies them for better paying jobs.

And of course rural whites in the state love the program, even though they're overwhelmingly Republicans and Trump supporters. The idea that Republican VOTERS don't like 'socialism' is nonsense. They like it when it benefits them just fine, and programs like this are good policy no matter who proposes them because the benefits do flow down to workers, but are also good for employers.

It's the same logic behind funding K-12 but updated for what's required in the 21st century. What we should all do is agree that at least some parts of a 'free college' program make sense, and work to get that done.

marke said:

How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

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Student loans are new adults first lesson in adulting. You borrowed it, you pay it back.

Take away the student loan program and college costs will fall by half. Study something that has a chance of enabling you to get a good job paying off the loan wouldn't be an issue.

Government should never gotten into a loan program that no bank would touch. 6 digit loan. Borrower with no job. No credit, no collateral. Not even any skills. What could possibly go wrong?

americanwoman said:

Like the prospect of a growing government, say throwing billions at the border, doesn't excite you? It's only this one, Americans getting educated, that grinds your gears - I mean spelling dumbass as dummass tells us exactly your stance on education. I don't support all the democrats 100% on all their proposals but something does need to be done. I hardly think making higher education affordable or close to free is not a bad investment for our nation.

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That's just the thing. Student loans did not make higher education more affordable. Quite the opposite. And most definitely it isn't free. Ask those are now finding out they have to pay it back. With interest.

There is actually a better argument for no cost higher education for those who qualify than a loan for those who don't.

Fletch said:

How about no free college for anyone until kids like those at Shriners Hospital no longer have to beg for funds.

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Aha, so you want to solve the healthcare issues before we even try to tackle education. Why not simultaneously?

Fletch said:

How about no free college for anyone until kids like those at Shriners Hospital no longer have to beg for funds.

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That's kind of dumb. You're conditioning support for Program X on fully funding, what, UHC for kids, but only at those hospitals? I agree that kids shouldn't have to beg for funds to treat ANY ailment, not just those treated at Shriners Hospitals, but how is that an argument for or against 'free college?'

The total donations to Shriners Hospitals in 2017 were about the cost of 2 F-22s, or about $300 million. Why not condition funding for one of those new fighter jets on fully funding those admirable institutions, and others like them such as St. Judes, and the hundreds of other children's hospitals treating everything from bad illness to cancer to burns to diabetes?

americanwoman said:

Aha, so you want to solve the healthcare issues before we even try to tackle education. Why not simultaneously?

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I think the idea is that we can't fund anything Democrats want, and that excuse, although a bad one, is argument enough. If wasn't that, it would be general concerns about the deficit that don't matter when we're handing out big tax cuts to the donor class, but prevent us from doing things for the proles.

americanwoman said:

That's an interesting idea.

Another issue to address is what they spend on sports. Now I love college sports, don't get me wrong, but many colleges spend an awful lot on athletics that could be going to education.

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Why is it that when liberals run out of something to say they tend to divert?

6 posts in you're into on to sports and border.

Topic is student loans and debt forgiveness.

jimbo said:

Why is it that when liberals run out of something to say they tend to divert?

6 posts in you're into on to sports and border.

Topic is student loans and debt forgiveness.

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I am not a liberal but thanks.

The topic per the title is about free college tuition and debt forgiveness, then it also figures to be on topic with some ways those school spend foolishly like on sports which in turn hike up tuition, or no?

Also if you are telling me I am some kind of leech off the government teet for suggesting ways to help out people attending public higher education schools and talk about wasting tax money, I am going to point out the ways the person who told me that don't really care how other tax money is spent, such as throwing endless tax dollars at the border which isn't helping the bigger picture there either.

americanwoman said:

I am not a liberal but thanks.

If the topic is student loans and excessively high priced college tuition, then it also figures to be on topic ways those school spend foolishly like on sports, or no?

Also if you are telling me I am some kind of leech off the government teet for suggesting ways to help out public higher education schools, I am going to point out the ways you are too such as it's okay to throw endless money at the border.

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iI never said you were a leech. I don't know your financial position well enough to make that statement.

Again, though, another diversion.

marke said:

How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

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Why do they want the minimum requirement to get a job at McDonald's to be a 4 year degree?

americanwoman said:

Did you mean "dumbass"? :lamo

Anyways, all you have is to call some people morons, you don't bring any better or worse solutions to the table. Oh, and there you go with the insults again - trying to get on Jesus' naughty list are we?

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In all fairness, it's hard to tell if some of these people have an IQ above 70.

jimbo said:

Student loans are new adults first lesson in adulting. You borrowed it, you pay it back.

Take away the student loan program and college costs will fall by half. Study something that has a chance of enabling you to get a good job paying off the loan wouldn't be an issue.

Government should never gotten into a loan program that no bank would touch. 6 digit loan. Borrower with no job. No credit, no collateral. Not even any skills. What could possibly go wrong?

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Yep.

Simple supply and demand economic. As long as the loans and grants insure 100% enrollments, colleges keep jacking up the prices.

All this will do is line the pockets of those who control education, indoctrinate more kids, and make no skill jobs require a college degree.

jimbo said:

Why is it that when liberals run out of something to say they tend to divert?

6 posts in you're into on to sports and border.

Topic is student loans and debt forgiveness.

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Serious question; one of 25 questions I’ll be reporting on this evening. ‘Do you think the government should award college scholarships to children whose mothers or fathers have sacrificed their lives in the global war on terrorism’? On a scale of 1-10 with 10 being very important.

Last month, I also mentioned to our membership that our next meeting would be on 9/11, and put it out there that the same question should be asked for children who lost their parents on 9/11, whether first responders or actual workers in the twin towers. Everyone’s input is welcome and important.

If families can’t afford to send their children to a four-year school right away, they should send them to a community college. That’s my opinion, based on over four decades of experience in education. As a retired teacher of Chem/Physics, I can tell you that CC requirements and rigor have greatly improved over the last few decades. The AA degree at a CC transfers In Toto to 4-year schools.

We’re also not talking about every other type of education after high school to prepare our teenagers for a job/profession in which they know there are openings, and in which they really love doing.

jimbo said:

That's just the thing. Student loans did not make higher education more affordable. Quite the opposite. And most definitely it isn't free. Ask those are now finding out they have to pay it back. With interest.

There is actually a better argument for no cost higher education for those who qualify than a loan for those who don't.

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The overall cost of college has been going up for a lot of reasons. One of them for public colleges is states have reduced their share of funding, which increases the amount that must be paid for through tuition and fees. Overall, there's not a lot of evidence federal aid causes higher tuition. E.g. Does More Federal Aid Raise Tuition Costs? Not For Most Students, Research Says : NPR

But the problem is if lots of jobs in a service economy require a degree as a minimum qualification, and many DO, what's the better alternative to 1) loans, or 2) more direct government funding of higher education? Should the poor or just middle class just not get a shot at all? If they're going to have a chance to compete, what's your alternative suggestion?

And your last sentence is unclear. "those who qualify" for what? If you mean qualify academically to attend some fairly high-standard 4 year college, then why not fund no-cost community college or technical training for the non-academically qualified? Doesn't make sense to limit education subsidies to ONLY those who are the smartest and/or excel in academics.