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Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

Thats not even remotely true. Democrats are not trying to 'fund health care for poor kids and their parents.' Thats called Medicaid, its been around for 50 years and you still have handicapped kids out with tin cups. No, the dems want to take control of health care for everyone. Its power they want, not to help kids :roll:

Great, and ACA expanded Medicaid, made it easier to sign up and in TN drove the uninsurance rate for kids to record lows, even though Tennessee didn't expand it for the parents, who also sometimes pull out their tin cups to get treated. Not seeing your point here.

False. It isnt a red herring at all. The left wants to create a new entitlement program for privileged youth while putting the care of unhealthy children on the back burner.

How's that? Again, UHC doesn't just help kids, but their parents and others who are disabled, have cancer, heart disease, diabetes. What's the GOP solution?

Again, I am suggesting that before you roll out a new vote-buying entitlement program to solve a problem you guys created in the first place, take care of those who cant take care of themselves first You guys just care more about buying of the millennial vote with freebies then you do about the handicapped.

You keep saying that but you're just pulling stuff from your rear end, offering no argument except "liberals suck" (paraphrased) to avoid discussing the actual issue of state funding for education. If you want to join in the substantive comments on the OP, that would be great, or you could just keep derailing it with this red herring BS. Choice is yours obviously!
 
I dont support the government doing anything. Nor am I calling for the government to confiscate your property to pay for my kids education. Thats what YOU advocate. I am simply pointing out that your priorities are f'ed up and you should demand that your nanny state take care of the those in need before it drops a trillion+ on those who are not.

OK, so nothing to say about the OP - you're just determined to derail it with off topic whining. Got it. Thanks!

FWIW, I'm not really sure where the rule is that one can only care about one issue at a time, or that one when discussing a particular problem must address all other pressing world problems first. After all, what about global hunger? Wars? Shouldn't we solve those problems, including ending all wars, before addressing, say, farmers hurt by tariffs? Or a new F-22? Why are YOUR priorities so messed up that you don't care about people starving, dying in countries all over the world while you waste time discussing first world problems of Shriners Hospitals relying on donations?
 
First, I do think this thread discussion is much better than most these days. Second, I appreciate your constructive presentation. Third, I’m glad you expanded the discussion on junior and community colleges. Many of our HS graduates simply haven’t made a life-long choice of who and what they’re going to be yet.

It doesn’t make any sense to pay top dollar for general education credits. Besides, we now have real PhD professors in subjects like Physics at the CC level.

Many CC students where I live are still at home, work a job, get their AA, and figure out who and what they are during these two years. Saves a lot of money. As well, many students are coming out of HS with a considerable # of CC credits, some even with the AA.

Here’s a few more Veteran/Military questions. Does the government do enough to support Military families? Expanding a bit here on another question, should we assist Veterans in transitioning to civilian life by putting them through some form of advanced education? Even teacher training! We have a huge shortage of police officers and teachers across the Nation.

There is also a bi-partisan plan in place to to forgive student loans for Veterans. As with everything these days, though, it’s been caught up in politics.

Jasper actually asked the qualification question, but I'll post it here since it's relevant to both sub discussions.

Richard Bland College | Application Requirements

I was wrong about live on campus. Tuition + R & B is around $18K. 8K is tuition only. That's still a cut from the $20-30 K Va state school average. Their site also states that other colleges around the nation also accept the graduates as full 3rd year students.

I like this concept.
 
Why do they want the minimum requirement to get a job at McDonald's to be a 4 year degree?

Because so many kids graduating from public high schools are functionally illiterate. Maybe with 4 more years in college they may become proficient enough to read and write and do basic math.
 
I agree that college should be a hell of a lot cheaper, there is no such thing as "free", someone's gotta pay for it.
 
OK, so nothing to say about the OP - you're just determined to derail it with off topic whining. Got it. Thanks!

FWIW, I'm not really sure where the rule is that one can only care about one issue at a time, or that one when discussing a particular problem must address all other pressing world problems first. After all, what about global hunger? Wars? Shouldn't we solve those problems, including ending all wars, before addressing, say, farmers hurt by tariffs? Or a new F-22? Why are YOUR priorities so messed up that you don't care about people starving, dying in countries all over the world while you waste time discussing first world problems of Shriners Hospitals relying on donations?

You seem a bit too triggered by what I wrote. Its really not all that controversial. You liberals want to start a new entitlement program for American privileged kids, while being quite content that those children truly in need to panhandle. You should be ashamed, but youre clearly not. If only those handicapped kids could vote. That might get your interest.
 
You seem a bit too triggered by what I wrote. Its really not all that controversial. You liberals want to start a new entitlement program for American privileged kids, while being quite content that those children truly in need to panhandle. You should be ashamed, but youre clearly not. If only those handicapped kids could vote. That might get your interest.

Well, that's a better argument, making up dumbass positions and attributing them to liberals! Awesome! What's your next trick?

You're clearly veering into Poe's Law stuff on this thread. So dumb that it has to be made up, and yet......:confused:
 
How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

If you go to the majority of the college campuses in the USA, the Progressives run the show. Higher education is left wing. The Conservative have little say or control and even have to fight for free speech, never mind policy choices. Therefore, the Democrat party is directly responsible for the college tuition problem, since they run the student debt scam. Conservatives have little say on campus, so they are free from obligation to this problem. One fair solution is to tax only registered Democrats, to pay the debt, since their team is 99% responsible for the problem.

Another alternative is to require that the universities pay back the student debt. This makes the most sense, since are the ones who made out like bandits to the tune of $trillions. How is this any different from a car salesman getting a young person to over extend on a car loan, so the sales person can make a sale and get commission? Should the tax payer cover the car loan or should the car dealer be responsible?

Senator Warren, who is running for President, had a $400,000 a year job at Harvard only teaching one course. The rest of the time she did her private lawyer business while on campus. This job was landed based on her fake Indian minority claim. She alone created $100,000 debt for four students each year. The solution of the Democrats is to have tax payers, very few of which received any benefit, pay the Warren's over priced salary?

How about we tax higher education, and use that money to pay down the student loans, over time? If the student debt is $1trillion and we tax at 10%, that is $100Billion. This puts a dent in the loans in a fair wa that targets the main beneficiaries of the debt.
 
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The kids of blue collar workers can ALSO get free college, community college or trade school. Rural, GOP leaning folks here in Tennessee actually kind of like free college, because they know it helps either them or their children get better jobs without going deep into debt.

Free college is just another perk for rich people, nothing else. Free tuition does not cover going to college. Rather, this is just Democrats serving the rich like it always does in real terms.
 
Free college is just another perk for rich people, nothing else. Free tuition does not cover going to college. Rather, this is just Democrats serving the rich like it always does in real terms.

Situation normal with leftist policies.

And they treat their voters like Mushrooms.
 
I actually don't agree with "forgiving" student debt however why don't we just allow student debt to be included in bankruptcy that way students that can't afford to pay will file bankruptcy take the financial credit hit and those that can pay no problem pay it.
I see nothing wrong with 2 year public instuitions and technical programs being free if you want more you pay for it.
And all federal dollars should be taken out of any school that can deny student access. Those millions alone could probably pay for 2 year college.
 
How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

Partial quote from John Greene, author and one half of the "Vlog Brothers":

"So let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools, even though I don't personally have a kid in school: It's because I don't like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.”
 
Well, that's a better argument, making up dumbass positions and attributing them to liberals! Awesome! What's your next trick?

You're clearly veering into Poe's Law stuff on this thread. So dumb that it has to be made up, and yet......:confused:

Not true at all. There are lots of things that need attention in this country--rat infested, impoverished liberal inner cities, handicapped children in need. And what do you guys focus on? Giving free education to the privileged kids in the hope that your team will get their votes. You should be very proud.
 
Not true at all. There are lots of things that need attention in this country--rat infested, impoverished liberal inner cities, handicapped children in need. And what do you guys focus on? Giving free education to the privileged kids in the hope that your team will get their votes. You should be very proud.

Doubling down on stupid partisan hackery isn't working for you, Fletch.

I saw where the Trump administration is working on a bill to lower drug prices for privileged seniors. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED CHILDREN IN NEED!?!!???
 
Many CC students where I live are still at home, work a job, get their AA, and figure out who and what they are during these two years. Saves a lot of money. As well, many students are coming out of HS with a considerable # of CC credits, some even with the AA.
This. Our locality has this program. The kids actually get their AA before they graduate from HS (mostly because of timing). Total cost: $50/class (and the programs average 20 classes) for ~$1000!!! In addition, most of those grads are guaranteed admission to our public 4-yr colleges/universities (incl. W&M). They (the kids) call it the 2+2 program.

Our soon-to-be high schooler definitely has an eye on that program, saying "Besides, Mom, that means I won't have to put up with Freshman Foolishness."

I knew we were raising a kid with SomeCents.
 
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As to the thread subject, though, I do not support debt forgiveness at all. I might consider changing the bankruptcy rules to allow for it to be discharged but think we should come up with other mechanisms to incentivize students, parents, and education institutions to make smarter choices (go/not go, school/major choice, who to accept) going forward.
 
As to the thread subject, though, I do not support debt forgiveness at all. I might consider changing the bankruptcy rules to allow for it to be discharged but think we should come up with other mechanisms to incentivize students, parents, and education institutions to make smarter choices (go/not go, school/major choice, who to accept) going forward.

Totally agree. The kids signed the loan docs. Not me. They got the money. Not me. They will pay back the money. Not me.

Or not. I think we should make student loan debt dischargable in bankruptcy. Let the kids fight it out with the schools that loaned them the money how much on the dollar to pay back. How much is a degree in underwater native studies really worth anyway?
 
We now have free k-12, and I presume that if people think it is needed, we may evolve towards free junior college or more. Or, not, if we believe it impractical or unnecessary due to changing job markets. No one should get the vapors over these proposals.

What is it like in other affluent societies?
 
We now have free k-12, and I presume that if people think it is needed, we may evolve towards free junior college or more. Or, not, if we believe it impractical or unnecessary due to changing job markets. No one should get the vapors over these proposals.

What is it like in other affluent societies?
Maybe instead of considering adding on another two (or four!) years of "free" school, why not rethink what we're doing with the 13 years we already send our kids to "free" school? We already spend well over a 100K per student (that's using a general figure for our area of $10K/yr*). Are we really getting our monies worth? And if not, why the hell not? If the K-12 education system can't keep up with the times, why do trust them to teach our kids in the first place?

/rant over

*Sources: www.governing.com, Our State's DOE 2016 Annual Report on Spending
 
Partial quote from John Greene, author and one half of the "Vlog Brothers":

"So let me explain why I like to pay taxes for schools, even though I don't personally have a kid in school: It's because I don't like living in a country with a bunch of stupid people.”

Democrats do not know that a vote for democrat free tuition and college loan debt forgiveness is a vote for economic depression and hard times for everyone who depends upon the American economy.
 
Doubling down on stupid partisan hackery isn't working for you, Fletch.

I saw where the Trump administration is working on a bill to lower drug prices for privileged seniors. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED CHILDREN IN NEED!?!!???

What about poor children caught up in America's fumbling of the illegal immigration issue?
 
What about poor children caught up in America's fumbling of the illegal immigration issue?

I don't have a clue what you're talking about. Sorry. What does this have to do with the OP? Or are you doing like that poster above and just trashing it with red herrings and butwhataboutisms?
 
Maybe instead of considering adding on another two (or four!) years of "free" school, why not rethink what we're doing with the 13 years we already send our kids to "free" school? We already spend well over a 100K per student (that's using a general figure for our area of $10K/yr*). Are we really getting our monies worth? And if not, why the hell not? If the K-12 education system can't keep up with the times, why do trust them to teach our kids in the first place?

/rant over

*Sources: www.governing.com, Our State's DOE 2016 Annual Report on Spending

Public ed in the US is fine. It’s great in affluent and middle class areas, and not without problems in poor areas, which is natural. From what I understand, it’s the way the world deals with the need to educate.
 
How exiting! The new wave of democrat morons running for president have proposed bankrupting the American economy by stupidly abolishing student loan debts and paying excessively high priced college tuition for everyone. What a boon for democrat college administrators and officials. I see huge bonuses and higher salaries and benefits for everyone in the education business, thanks to democrats.

I also see the massive increase of fiscal stupidity exposed in these new dummass ideas being promoted by the new wave of moronic democrat politicians.

Student loan experts sound alarm on 'trillion-dollar blackhole'

This might be a good idea if it were 100% paid for by the colleges giving the money back.

They have let their campuses turn into Leftist Propaganda S**t Holes with a good portion of their degrees handed out having no marketable value.
 
Doubling down on stupid partisan hackery isn't working for you, Fletch.

I saw where the Trump administration is working on a bill to lower drug prices for privileged seniors. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED CHILDREN IN NEED!?!!???

Its not stupid at all. Its a matter or priorities. And the priority of the left is gaining power. You only want to help privileged college students because they can vote. Pay off their student loans and you have bought their votes forever. Handicapped children cant vote and many may not make it to voting age anyway, so you dont care. Let them panhandle
 
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