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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Did NYC have to raise taxes to cover the costs? I have noticed Pocahontas refuses to say whether her trillion dollar healthcare plan will mean middle class taxes will go up.
    Well it was 50 years ago and the system had been in place for a long time prior. I would say no at the time. Also need to look at the benefit to the city of having a well educated population that helped make NYC the financial capital of the world.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

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    Sadly, too many Americans will buy into the stupid idea because, as democrat insiders know, too many Americans will believe just about any lie the propagandist leftist news media preaches.
    Lessons should of been learned by now after the disastrous obama regime. I believe the American voter will do the right thing by putting our President Trump back in office for 2020.So many doors closed by the lowly liberal/Demo are starting to open as our economy continues in the positive direction.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Well it was 50 years ago and the system had been in place for a long time prior. I would say no at the time. Also need to look at the benefit to the city of having a well educated population that helped make NYC the financial capital of the world.
    Educated people from all over the world are attracted to NYC for the wealth, implying widespread greed. It is also true that graduates from NYC universities are hired all over the world in a greater percentage than numbers from schools elsewhere. But NY has the highest cost per student secondary education system in the country, with some of the lowest test scores anywhere. That spells failure to me in education coupled with excessively tax expense to produce that failure rate.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Educated people from all over the world are attracted to NYC for the wealth, implying widespread greed. It is also true that graduates from NYC universities are hired all over the world in a greater percentage than numbers from schools elsewhere. But NY has the highest cost per student secondary education system in the country, with some of the lowest test scores anywhere. That spells failure to me in education coupled with excessively tax expense to produce that failure rate.
    Materially different than 50 years ago. There was only free four year college for kids qualified to get in. Sorry you don't know or understand the history of NYC.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dans La Lune View Post
    I'd like for a conservative, any conservative, to explain why it used to be almost free to attend college/university 40-50 years ago and now people have to be TENS of thousand in debt just to get a decent education. Debt which, thanks to conservatives and corporate democrats, cannot be jettisoned even through bankruptcy. Explain to me how THAT system is better than the system from several decades ago.
    Damn, that should be obvious.

    That is because the Government started throwing more and more money at those institutions, and they got greedy and raised their fees more and more.

    At one time it was damned cheap to go to college. But then we had to get into the business of financing it instead of people paying for it themselves. That meant even more money floating around, which in turn raised fees, it became a giant circle.

    Most colleges are supposed to be "non-profit". But when you have professors and administrators making higher wages than most CEOs, then it should be obvious where the problem is. It literally is a system where they control everything, and they charge as much as they are able to get away with. Which is literally as much as the Government will pay them to educate students.

    Maybe this will help you figure out the runaway costs.
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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Damn, that should be obvious.

    That is because the Government started throwing more and more money at those institutions, and they got greedy and raised their fees more and more.

    At one time it was damned cheap to go to college. But then we had to get into the business of financing it instead of people paying for it themselves. That meant even more money floating around, which in turn raised fees, it became a giant circle.

    Most colleges are supposed to be "non-profit". But when you have professors and administrators making higher wages than most CEOs, then it should be obvious where the problem is. It literally is a system where they control everything, and they charge as much as they are able to get away with. Which is literally as much as the Government will pay them to educate students.

    Maybe this will help you figure out the runaway costs.
    Do democrats need to tax the rich to pay for trillion dollar new deals? They could try tapping into Harvard, which is sitting on something like $50 billion in extra cash, with the government still pouring in more from American taxpayers.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    If the government has unlimited money then why not just give low IQ citizens plenty of money to live comfortably for the rest of their lives and let them forget college?
    Because very conservatives do not contribute to the betterment of society, only educated people do.
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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Student loans are new adults first lesson in adulting. You borrowed it, you pay it back.
    Yea, it takes a while before you can graduate to bankruptcy like Trump.
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    It does not in fact bother me that poor people exist. They are supposed to, poverty is the default state of human existence.

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Fixing the college problem is actually pretty simple. We ended up throwing a BUNCH of money at colleges when we started to federally back student loans. This caused colleges to
    raise their prices. Been to a college lately? They are BEAUTIFUL. The money that American colleges waste on looking good and paying high wages have made college VERY expensive.
    Bring back junior colleges (very cheap to run) and let everyone stay at home and get a two year degree. Only those who want to finish up a 4 year degree should be going off to a university.
    And they should have to have SHOWN that they can do it. Have you seen the failure rate at US Universities? Too much easy money has raised prices and allowed people who shouldn't be going to college to go.
    Stop wasting money...

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    Re: Democrats propose free college tuition and debt forgiveness!

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Because very conservatives do not contribute to the betterment of society, only educated people do.
    Yea, this is typical of what I see in the Far-Left. They make the mistake of equating education with intelligence, and also politics.

    Is why I do not joke when I say that in general, Liberals tend to be the most bigoted and prejudicial bunch I have ever seen in my life. They have these fantastic beliefs, and they actually pat each other on the back when another shares that same belief.

    And they totally fail to grasp that most of us just laugh at them, and consider them to be retarded twits. Who do not even realize that they are retarded.

    And BTW, I am using Retarded in this case as a verb, not as an adjective.
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