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Thoughts on the "Varsity Blues" investigation and meritocracy

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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm​


By now, everyone's heard about the indictments of some 50 odd relatively well-off folks who conspiratorially chicaned to obtain their kids' admission to various universities: the "Varsity Blues" investigation/indictments.

I think the matter highlights multiple dimensions of dissoluteness in the American cultural ethos. Some of them are immutable and others eradicable.
  • Privilege

    Blanche : You wouldn't be able to do these awful things to me if I weren't still in this chair.
    Jane : But you *are*, Blanche! You *are* in that chair!
    -- Bette Davis and Joan Crawford, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane

    "Varsity Blues" has wrought recriminations about the exercise of privilege. Frankly, much, but not all, such grousing strikes me as little but "white sepulchers'" inner "green monsters" emerging.

    The US has always capitalism's, an unrepentant competitive system of resource allocation, HQ. In the wake of "Varsity Blues," I've heard folks who routinely defend capitalism suddenly take exception with folks' doing what capitalism bids one to do: deploy one's resources for one's success. (Sure it's folks doing so for their kids, but parent construes securing his/her kids' future comfort/profit as notably as distinct from the things that makes the parent successful, if only as a parent? I suspect few to none.) Similarly, I've observed folks on this matter finding an otherwise nonexistent ethical "center." Folks reprove these deceitful parents' behavior, yet they'll forbear their favorite politicians' turpitude and brazen exploitation of resource advantage lacunae.

    Although much complaining has focused on wealthier folks' ability to use their wealth to abet their kids education, as I see the matter, it seems pretty much the same thing minorities have been griping about vis-a-vis structural advantages whites have long enjoyed at minorities' expense. "Varsity Blues" has merely manifest the same inequities and abuses among what amounts to two "classes" of white folks: the rich ones and the rest. But make no mistakes, the same behaviors and privileges are what white folks have long enjoyed relative to minorities, the only substantive difference being that one didn't have to a particularly wealthy white person to have privilege that minorities simply didn't; however, access to that privilege has been every bit as inaccessible to minorities as is the privilege of donating $250K+ to secure a college seat is to "everyday" white folks. The scale differs, but the ill and the harm it produces are the same.

    "Varsity Blues" has made palpable to white folks the pain minorities have endured for centuries.
  • Meritocracy vs. Money
    We like to think that our culture is based on merit. In many ways, and certainly for white folks, it mostly is. We may not like that money can buy things, but the fact is money's only real use is to buy things, so that's exactly what folks who have lots of it will do with it.

    Do you think a college is any different than a department store when it comes to providing perqs to people who spend great sums there? Anyone who'd answer "yes" doesn't understand what it means for an organization to function in a capitalistically competitive environment. I mean, really. If you donate a wing, endow a chair, replace a locker room, establish a scholarship, etc., do you really think that it's asking too much for, in return, the school to admit your kid(s)? I don't. Now, were one to pull a stunt on the sly as did the "Varsity Blues" parents, well, that's a different matter for in that instance folks (and their kids) are presented as something they're not: accomplished enough to have earned their admission just like everyone else.
  • Bribery
    Folks describe "Varsity Blues" scheme as bribery, but it should not be lost on anyone that no bribery charged were levied. One need only look at what bribery entails. In the US, it's simply impossible to bribe a non-government official. That's intentional. The folks who write laws don't like the notion of bribing public officials, but they have no issue with the same behavior in the private sector. Favors and the private sector go hand-in-hand. I think that's impossible to extirpate or attenuate.
Now sure as I've listed the above thoughts in separate bullet points, I realize they're interrelated by money. But let's get this right: many of the folks griping about the "Varsity Blues" parents and their kids are griping not because they wouldn't use their money to abet their kids' futures, but because they just don't have enough money to do so, one the DL or openly via traditional means.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can make you awfully comfortable while you're being miserable.
-- Clare Boothe Luce​
 
IMO the parents did this so they could say their kid goes to BlahBlah university. That's it.

They did it because they could.
 
We as a society are about as equal as we are moral. Money is sorta' like a gun, when you have it, people generally give you what you want. This should really be no big surprise, it's called being 'successful' by some.
 
Didn't know it was illegal considering its pretty common knowledge that rich and powerful people can get their kids into the top schools, and have been doing it for a while
 
The wealthy, using their connections and capital to steal some very intelligent kid's collage admission slot for their own not so stellar kid.
 
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm​

This is a VERY dishonest read of what happened. They used their money to hire someone to CHEAT the system. That is the problem. Faking sports qualifications, bribing coaches...
 
This is a VERY dishonest read of what happened. They used their money to hire someone to CHEAT the system. That is the problem. Faking sports qualifications, bribing coaches...

Absolutely, that is, at the least, ethically wrong, and, depending on how one goes about doing that, at worst, criminal.

As goes criminality, however, the "Varsity Blues" parents' conduct was only made illegal because they "transacted" via the mail, phone and Internet. Had they done their deeds in person, I don't think most of them -- the ones who chincaned to secure admission at private institutions -- could be successfully prosecuted.

You'll note that one of the charges is "honest services fraud." The specific variant happens to be mail fraud; however, the general idea of the "honest services" proscription is to deal with cheating and bribery in the private sector. The thing about honest services fraud is that the prospect of obtaining a conviction is variously dubitable, as the ABA notes:
There is, however, no clarity when the honest services fraud doctrine is applied to private sector cases. In fact, what conduct constitutes a denial of honest services in the private sector remains astonishingly unclear.​
Given the noted lack of clarity, sure, prosecutors can toss in the charge, but their doing so, at least given the current body of precedent, is largely just a test to see if it sticks and establish another precedential data point, as it were.

As noted in the ABA article to which I above linked, the central issue to which my OP alludes is that of codifying probity. The "Varsity Blues" matter is just one example of it and it asks us where do we draw the line. Where the "Varsity Blues" conspirators to have eschewed the mail/wires and not taken the federal income tax deduction, it's likely nobody would have discovered the nature, extent or even existence of their malfeasance.
  • Were that manner in which they undertook their deeds, should they have been deemed merely private transactions that aren't anybody else's business?
  • At what point do one's deeds become something about which "the rest of us" have a right to discovery and censure?
As I noted in the "Privilege" section of my OP, this sort of conduct is not new. It's the kind of behavior that's for ages disadvantaged minorities and poor people. Sometimes it's folks using just their wealth, as was the case of the "Varsity Blues" parents, other times it's folks availing other forms of privilege such as race or sex/gender.[SUP]1[/SUP]

So where and how do we draw the line and stop/attenuate the exploitation of privilege? And what kinds of privilege do we forbear and what kinds do we not? Do we content ourselves with public excoriation? Do we expressly criminalize private sector corruption, making it unlawful to be reprobate? Do we lower the bar of personal probity or raise it? How do we handle appearances of ethical impropriety in both the public and private sectors?



Note:
  1. Obviously, the jurisdictional context here is the US, so racial privilege contextually refers to whites' privilege vs. non-whites' lack thereof. But make no mistake; in certain countries outside the US the racial context is non-whites' privilege vs. whites lack thereof. One need only go to Japan to experience it. There it's Japanese privilege and, well, everybody else's lack thereof. It's not Asian v. white as we'd describe it in the US, but rather Japanese v. not Japanese, but the core machinery and operation of the privilege is the same.

    In any case, the focal point for this thread is abuses of privilege, not who has it and who doesn't. I've entreated for discussion in the abstract, not a finger-pointing one.
 
IMO the parents did this so they could say their kid goes to BlahBlah university. That's it.

They did it because they could.
I haven't a stance on the nature and extent to which parental bragging rights, so to speak, factored into the parents' contrivance.

Having put four kids through school, I know for myself, aside from having geographical preferences, I didn't much care what college/university my kids attended. I just wanted them to go to college -- because it was clear to me, barring an exceptional happenstance, they had to if they were to sustain themselves in the manner to which I made them accustomed -- not to go to "this one" or "that one" and not to "some other ones." Also, by the time my kids were ready for college, it had become clear to me that, with few career exceptions, it really doesn't matter from where one obtains a bachelor's degree. The only real advantage to attending "Posh U." is the network with which one starts a career, not the education one obtains there.


Red:
Well, I agree with that.
 
Didn't know it was illegal considering its pretty common knowledge that rich and powerful people can get their kids into the top schools, and have been doing it for a while
Red:
The classic way -- openly donating handsomely -- rich folks ensure their kids get admitted to some sort of "acceptable" college/university isn't illegal.

What the "Varsity Blues" parents did is unlawful not because of the act itself -- using their wealth to secure their kids' admission to "this or that" college -- but because of the specific way in which they did it. Look at the charges levied against the parents. They aren't charged with bribery (bribery is criminal only when a public official is involved; they're charged with mail fraud.

Upon looking at what mail fraud entails, it doesn't take much to realize that had they done their deeds without using the mails and without taking the charitable tax deduction for donating to "fake charity" they knew was fake (notice that none of the parents are charged with defrauding the US or other tax code infraction), the parents wouldn't have been charged with anything or likely discovered. At worst, they'd have just been people who were duped into blowing money on a scam. (For Singer, the school administrator and the coaches, it's a different matter. Their deeds, on their own, mail fraud or not, rise to criminal culpability levels.)
 
I opened my OP with the following quote from Animal Farm....
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm

...to which Renae replied

This is a VERY dishonest read of what happened. They used their money to hire someone to CHEAT the system. That is the problem. Faking sports qualifications, bribing coaches...

Red:
How, Renae, is the Orwell passage a "very dishonest read of what happened?"

It seems to me the wealthy "Varsity Blues" parents felt their kids are "more equal" than less wealthy kids who'd demonstrated greater degrees of scholasticism.

Even if the "Varsity Blues" parents didn't think their kids are more equal, they clearly thought them "as deserving," "as equal," as the kids who competed successfully, for an offer of admission, on the basis of their academic and extracurricular performance, even though their "Varsity Blues" kids lacked comparable achievements.

Isn't that an instance of the "Varsity Blues" parents construing their kids as "more equal" than similarly "low achieving" other kids whose parents either aren't wealthy or are wealthy and are unwilling to exploit their wealth (other than paying the tuition, room board, fees, extracurricular costs (frat dues, for instance) etc.) to get their kids into "this or that" university/college? Seems to me that's every bit the parents ascribing to "some animals are more equal."
 
I haven't a stance on the nature and extent to which parental bragging rights, so to speak, factored into the parents' contrivance.

Having put four kids through school, I know for myself, aside from having geographical preferences, I didn't much care what college/university my kids attended. I just wanted them to go to college -- because it was clear to me, barring an exceptional happenstance, they had to if they were to sustain themselves in the manner to which I made them accustomed -- not to go to "this one" or "that one" and not to "some other ones." Also, by the time my kids were ready for college, it had become clear to me that, with few career exceptions, it really doesn't matter from where one obtains a bachelor's degree. The only real advantage to attending "Posh U." is the network with which one starts a career, not the education one obtains there.


Red:
Well, I agree with that.

It's mostly narcissism on the parents part.

My oldest took a route to the banking industry that didn't involve college and my youngest did it the more intensive way...serving in the USAF then going to the university. [she actually had very good grades in HS but wanted to see the world first]
 
It's mostly narcissism on the parents part.

My oldest took a route to the banking industry that didn't involve college and my youngest did it the more intensive way...serving in the USAF then going to the university. [she actually had very good grades in HS but wanted to see the world first]

Well, there are certainly alternative paths, and I'm fine with folks pursuing them. I wouldn't be too keen on my own kids doing so, but if they insisted, I'd acquiesce to their wishes.
 
Well, there are certainly alternative paths, and I'm fine with folks pursuing them. I wouldn't be too keen on my own kids doing so, but if they insisted, I'd acquiesce to their wishes.

They're both very independent, self-starting ladies. I'm proud of their accomplishments and can brag with a clear conscience. :)
 
They're both very independent, self-starting ladies. I'm proud of their accomplishments and can brag with a clear conscience. :)

LOL You and I both know that as their parent, you weren't going to here say anything other than that or something similar. LOL ...But perhaps I'm wrong, though I know I damn sure wouldn't on DP "bad mouth" my own kids.
 
LOL You and I both know that as their parent, you weren't going to here say anything other than that or something similar. LOL ...But perhaps I'm wrong, though I know I damn sure wouldn't on DP "bad mouth" my own kids.

Oh, there's been times in their earlier years when I wanted to. ;)
 
I opened my OP with the following quote from Animal Farm....
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm

...to which Renae replied


Red:
How, Renae, is the Orwell passage a "very dishonest read of what happened?"

It seems to me the wealthy "Varsity Blues" parents felt their kids are "more equal" than less wealthy kids who'd demonstrated greater degrees of scholasticism.

Even if the "Varsity Blues" parents didn't think their kids are more equal, they clearly thought them "as deserving," "as equal," as the kids who competed successfully, for an offer of admission, on the basis of their academic and extracurricular performance, even though their "Varsity Blues" kids lacked comparable achievements.

Isn't that an instance of the "Varsity Blues" parents construing their kids as "more equal" than similarly "low achieving" other kids whose parents either aren't wealthy or are wealthy and are unwilling to exploit their wealth (other than paying the tuition, room board, fees, extracurricular costs (frat dues, for instance) etc.) to get their kids into "this or that" university/college? Seems to me that's every bit the parents ascribing to "some animals are more equal."

You lied in the OP...
Bribery
Folks describe "Varsity Blues" scheme as bribery, but it should not be lost on anyone that no bribery charged were levied.
Texas fires tennis coach, launches internal inquiry after bribery scandal | The Texas Tribune
Center, who coached the school’s men’s tennis team, was placed on administrative leave Tuesday. His lawyer has said Center is innocent and will plead not guilty. Court documents allege he helped a student gain admittance to UT-Austin in exchange for approximately $100,000 — $60,000 of which he received in a hotel parking lot.
 
You lied in the OP...
"Bribery
"Folks describe "Varsity Blues" scheme as bribery, but it should not be lost on anyone that no bribery [charges] were levied."
-- Xelor​


Texas fires tennis coach, launches internal inquiry after bribery scandal | The Texas Tribune
"Center, who coached the school’s men’s tennis team, was placed on administrative leave Tuesday. His lawyer has said Center is innocent and will plead not guilty. Court documents allege he helped a student gain admittance to UT-Austin in exchange for approximately $100,000 — $60,000 of which he received in a hotel parking lot."
-- Texas Tribune

Red:
You intellectually indolent contumelious no-portfolio rogue! How dare you deign to implicate me as a liar! I don't give a flying **** what you found in a goddamned newspaper/blog or "whatever the hell it is" article!

Take your sorry ass to the DoJ website where the charges against the various participants in the "Varsity Blues" conspiracy are named and the charges listed. There you will find that not one defendant in the matter has been charged with bribery. Furthermore, you'll find that Michael Center has been charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. Bribery is, as I stated in my OP, not among the charges Mr. Center faces!

As I noted in my OP, though people may describe the "Varsity Blues" conduct as bribery, nobody involved has been charged with committing bribery.


Blue:
There is absolutely no excuse, regarding your thoughts about the legitimacy of my assertion about bribery being not among the charges, for your relying on the content in a Texas Tribune, or any other news publication, article. The very first hyperlink in the OP takes one to the DoJ's website where is found a complete listing of the defendants as well as the various court documents that have been filed (as of today) and that pertain to the case. All you had to do, were you incredulous about whether bribery was charged, was click on the thing and search (Ctrl-F) for "bribery."

Why the hell do you think I bothered to include the hyperlinks I did? It damn sure wasn't for my sake. I had, by the time I wrote my OP, bothered to look into the details of the matter. Thus I already knew the facts re: what people had and hadn't been charged with; I wouldn't have written what I did if I didn't.
 
Red:
You intellectually indolent contumelious no-portfolio rogue! How dare you deign to implicate me as a liar! I don't give a flying **** what you found in a goddamned newspaper/blog or "whatever the hell it is" article!

Take your sorry ass to the DoJ website where the charges against the various participants in the "Varsity Blues" conspiracy are named and the charges listed. There you will find that not one defendant in the matter has been charged with bribery. Furthermore, you'll find that Michael Center has been charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. Bribery is, as I stated in my OP, not among the charges Mr. Center faces!

As I noted in my OP, though people may describe the "Varsity Blues" conduct as bribery, nobody involved has been charged with committing bribery.


Blue:
There is absolutely no excuse, regarding your thoughts about the legitimacy of my assertion about bribery being not among the charges, for your relying on the content in a Texas Tribune, or any other news publication, article. The very first hyperlink in the OP takes one to the DoJ's website where is found a complete listing of the defendants as well as the various court documents that have been filed (as of today) and that pertain to the case. All you had to do, were you incredulous about whether bribery was charged, was click on the thing and search (Ctrl-F) for "bribery."

Why the hell do you think I bothered to include the hyperlinks I did? It damn sure wasn't for my sake. I had, by the time I wrote my OP, bothered to look into the details of the matter. Thus I already knew the facts re: what people had and hadn't been charged with; I wouldn't have written what I did if I didn't.

You lied, there are multiple bribery charges in this, hell half the entire scam was about bribing coaches and admission staff to get kids in. Would you like MORE?

Prosecutors allege dozens of parents, test administrators and college coaches were involved in a widespread effort to rig the college admissions process for children whose parents were willing to pay bribes. The indictments filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts include hundreds of pages of allegations, implicating more than 50 people in two sets of schemes: standardized test cheating and college acceptance bribery.
Operation Varsity Blues list: Every charge and accusation facing the parents in the college admissions scandal - CBS News

No Xelor, the SCAM is built on bribery hoss.

Federal authorities say dozens of individuals were involved in a nationwide bribery and fraud scheme to help students gain admission to elite colleges and universities. Racketeering charges against 12 of the defendants are detailed in this indictment, one of a number of charging documents in the case.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-cheating-scandal.html

WE can go on all day and you can keep insulting me, but either you lied, because you needed to ignore the bribery stuff to push your agenda or you didn't understand what this all about and were in serious error.
 
Red:
You intellectually indolent contumelious no-portfolio rogue! How dare you deign to implicate me as a liar! I don't give a flying **** what you found in a goddamned newspaper/blog or "whatever the hell it is" article!

Take your sorry ass to the DoJ website where the charges against the various participants in the "Varsity Blues" conspiracy are named and the charges listed. There you will find that not one defendant in the matter has been charged with bribery. Furthermore, you'll find that Michael Center has been charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. Bribery is, as I stated in my OP, not among the charges Mr. Center faces!

As I noted in my OP, though people may describe the "Varsity Blues" conduct as bribery, nobody involved has been charged with committing bribery.


Blue:
There is absolutely no excuse, regarding your thoughts about the legitimacy of my assertion about bribery being not among the charges, for your relying on the content in a Texas Tribune, or any other news publication, article. The very first hyperlink in the OP takes one to the DoJ's website where is found a complete listing of the defendants as well as the various court documents that have been filed (as of today) and that pertain to the case. All you had to do, were you incredulous about whether bribery was charged, was click on the thing and search (Ctrl-F) for "bribery."

Why the hell do you think I bothered to include the hyperlinks I did? It damn sure wasn't for my sake. I had, by the time I wrote my OP, bothered to look into the details of the matter. Thus I already knew the facts re: what people had and hadn't been charged with; I wouldn't have written what I did if I didn't.

Let's CONTINUE shall we?
"I'll speak more broadly, there were essentially two kinds of fraud that Singer was selling," Lelling said at a press conference Tuesday where the arrests were announced. "One was to cheat on the SAT or ACT, and the other was to use his connections with Division I coaches and use bribes to get these parents' kids into school with fake athletic credentials."
Operation Varsity Blues: College admissions, bribery scandal explained | SI.com

Damn I knew what was going on as soon as it was announced and you're all "There was no bribery.." whatever.
 
Let's CONTINUE shall we?

Operation Varsity Blues: College admissions, bribery scandal explained | SI.com

Damn I knew what was going on as soon as it was announced and you're all "There was no bribery.." whatever.

Identify the indictment document that states the bribery section of the US Code is what any of the defendants violated. Go ahead. Find it. You won't find it because nobody has been so charged.



You lied, there are multiple bribery charges in this, hell half the entire scam was about bribing coaches and admission staff to get kids in. Would you like MORE?


Operation Varsity Blues list: Every charge and accusation facing the parents in the college admissions scandal - CBS News

No Xelor, the SCAM is built on bribery hoss.


Actresses, Business Leaders and Other Wealthy Parents Charged in U.S. College Entry Fraud - The New York Times

WE can go on all day and you can keep insulting me, but either you lied, because you needed to ignore the bribery stuff to push your agenda or you didn't understand what this all about and were in serious error.

There's not one indictment document for "Varsity Blues" defendants that cites bribery as the charge. Period. What I asserted is that nobody was charged with bribery.

I don't care that you see the word "bribery" in a narrative, any narrative other than the indictment document filed in court. That charge has not been levied against anyone. Period.

Good day.
 
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Identify the indictment document that states the bribery section of the US Code is what any of the defendants violated. Go ahead. Find it. You won't find it because nobody has been so charged.





There's not one indictment document for "Varsity Blues" defendants that cites bribery as the charge. Period. What I asserted is that nobody was charged with bribery.

I don't care that you see the word "bribery" in a narrative, any narrative other than the indictment document filed in court. That charge has not been levied against anyone. Period.

Good day.

Yes well I guess the Feds, the News media saying BRIBERY repeatedly is them just lying... My bad. I don't have the patience to argue with someone who doesn't want to admit when they were wrong. Have fun with your thread.
 
You lied in the OP...
You lied in the OP...
"Bribery
"Folks describe "Varsity Blues" scheme as bribery, but it should not be lost on anyone that no bribery [charges] were levied."
-- Xelor​
Texas fires tennis coach, launches internal inquiry after bribery scandal | The Texas Tribune
"Center, who coached the school’s men’s tennis team, was placed on administrative leave Tuesday. His lawyer has said Center is innocent and will plead not guilty. Court documents allege he helped a student gain admittance to UT-Austin in exchange for approximately $100,000 — $60,000 of which he received in a hotel parking lot."
-- Texas Tribune

Red:
You intellectually indolent contumelious no-portfolio rogue! How dare you deign to implicate me as a liar! I don't give a flying **** what you found in a goddamned newspaper/blog or "whatever the hell it is" article!

Take your sorry ass to the DoJ website where the [defendants] are named and the charges listed. ...Not one defendant... has been charged with bribery. ...Michael Center has been charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud. Bribery is...not among the charges Mr. Center faces!

As I noted in my OP, though people may describe the "Varsity Blues" conduct as bribery, nobody involved has been charged with committing bribery.


Blue:
...The very first hyperlink in the OP takes one to the DoJ's website where is found a complete listing of the defendants, ... [and] the ... documents that have been filed [in] the case. All you had to do...was click on the thing and search...for "bribery."

[...]

Let's CONTINUE shall we?


Operation Varsity Blues: College admissions, bribery scandal explained | SI.com


Damn I knew what was going on as soon as it was announced and you're all "There was no bribery.." whatever.

Identify the indictment document that states the bribery section of the US Code is what any of the defendants violated. Go ahead. Find it. You won't find it because nobody has been so charged.


You lied, there are multiple bribery charges in this, hell half the entire scam was about bribing coaches and admission staff to get kids in. Would you like MORE?
Prosecutors allege dozens of parents, test administrators and college coaches were involved in a widespread effort to rig the college admissions process for children whose parents were willing to pay bribes. The indictments filed in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts include hundreds of pages of allegations, implicating more than 50 people in two sets of schemes: standardized test cheating and college acceptance bribery.

Operation Varsity Blues list: Every charge and accusation facing the parents in the college admissions scandal - CBS News


No Xelor, the SCAM is built on bribery hoss.
Federal authorities say dozens of individuals were involved in a nationwide bribery and fraud scheme to help students gain admission to elite colleges and universities. Racketeering charges against 12 of the defendants are detailed in this indictment, one of a number of charging documents in the case.

Actresses, Business Leaders and Other Wealthy Parents Charged in U.S. College Entry Fraud

WE can go on all day and you can keep insulting me, but either you lied, because you needed to ignore the bribery stuff to push your agenda or you didn't understand what this all about and were in serious error.

There's not one indictment document for "Varsity Blues" defendants that cites bribery as the charge. Period. What I asserted is that nobody was charged with bribery.

I don't care that you see the word "bribery" in a narrative, any narrative other than the indictment document filed in court. That charge has not been levied against anyone. Period.

Good day.

Yes well I guess the Feds, the News media saying BRIBERY repeatedly is them just lying... My bad. I don't have the patience to argue with someone who doesn't want to admit when they were wrong. Have fun with your thread.
Name the defendant charged with bribery.

May strife and suffering befall you and all whom you hold dear for all the remaining days of your lives.


From the US Atty's Office, District of MA's website
 

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