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Why we need less college and more reality?

danielpalos said:
it is not at-will; that is all you really need to know.

the American doctrine at law concerning employment at the will of either party (for full faith and credit purposes in our State and Republic), proclaims this:

this is the relevant clause, only the right wing appeals to ignorance of it at the expense of Individual LIberty, equality, and equal protection of the laws.

that means, EDD requirements which conflict with federal doctrine concerning employment at the will of either party in an at-will employment State are null and void from Inception.
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Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.
 
danielpalos said:
EDD requirements which conflict with federal doctrine concerning employment at the will of either party in an at-will employment State are null and void from Inception.
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You are rambling.

Do you not understand the challenge?

Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.
 
tacomancer said:
I got an associated in IT and didn't have to work that hard once I got past front line user support. I have since gotten my bachelors and I still don't have to work hard :)
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Your lucky. There are all kinds of guys with bachelors and masters degrees in IT fields along with all the certifications who can't find IT jobs. There are experienced IT workers who went to other fields because they got fired and couldn't find another IT job. I know several IT guys working now as Truck Drivers another guy transitioned to nursing and is now a registered nurse. I know a guy who has been laid off 5 times in the IT field and if he ever finds work its only on contract for like 6 months to 1 year.

Not to mention the IT workers I have met who have lost their jobs to foreigners on H1B visas. Fire the white guy and replace him with that guy from India who can barely speak english.
 
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Mortician said:
Your lucky. There are all kinds of guys with bachelors and masters degrees in IT fields along with all the certifications who can't find IT jobs. There are experienced IT workers who went to other fields because they got fired and couldn't find another IT job. I know several IT guys working now as Truck Drivers another guy transitioned to nursing and is now a registered nurse. I know a guy who has been laid off 5 times in the IT field and if he ever finds work its only on contract for like 6 months to 1 year.

Not to mention the IT workers I have met who have lost their jobs to foreigners on H1B visas. Fire the white guy and replace him with that guy from India who can barely speak english.
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I work for a very large (fortune 100) company and tend to hop jobs internally every three years or so. That may be part of why I am still around.
 
If you enter the trades as an electrician, plumber, or carpenter, you can earn a very good living. Especially if you're union.
 
Fledermaus said:
There is no "appeal to ignorance of at-will employment law" from me.

I understand it obviously more than you do.

Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.
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You cannot explain by what methodology EDD came up with any for-cause restrictions for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State?
 
danielpalos said:
You cannot explain by what methodology EDD came up with any for-cause restrictions for unemployment compensation in an at-will employment State?
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I don't have to explain by what methodology EDD came up with any "for-cause" restrictions because you still haven't defined "for-cause" nor explained why you use that term here.

Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.

Then we can move on.
 
Fledermaus said:
I don't have to explain by what methodology EDD came up with any "for-cause" restrictions because you still haven't defined "for-cause" nor explained why you use that term here.

Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.

Then we can move on.
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No, we can't. Any restrictions based on some reason or cause is what we are discussing.

Employment is at the will of either party in our at-will employment State.

Anything EDD claims about any work requirements in an at-will employment State must nugatory and void from Inception.

Simple recourse to unemployment compensation on an at-will basis can ensure the Poor can save up for an attorney to better ensure their civil rights.
 
danielpalos said:
No, we can't. Any restrictions based on some reason or cause is what we are discussing.
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Define "for-cause" and explain why you use that term here.

danielpalos said:
Employment is at the will of either party in our at-will employment State..
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Correct, but irrelevant in regards to Unemployment Compensation.

danielpalos said:
Anything EDD claims about any work requirements in an at-will employment State must nugatory and void from Inception..
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Incorrect. At-will has nothing to do with Unemployment Compensation.

danielpalos said:
Simple recourse to unemployment compensation on an at-will basis can ensure the Poor can save up for an attorney to better ensure their civil rights.
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Simple recourse is to gain employment.
 
Employment is at the will of either party for benefits purposes administered by an agency of a State.

Any restrictions that are exceptions to the general operation of the law regarding employment at the will of either party are usually termed and styled, for-Cause or just-Cause employment. Henry Ford was one previous example you ignored.

Under the doctrine of employment at the will of either party, Any Thing that is repugnant to that doctrine is null and void from inception.
 
Bassman said:
This is a subject I've discussed before with several of my FB friends. My current occupation with the NFTA has me convinced more than ever that vocational/ trades careers are not being emphasized enough in the schools because in my opinion it's always "college this and college that". Has been since even before I was a senior some 32 years ago. And that is doing a disservice to our people. No wonder why the building trades are in such high demand right now-shortage of new apprentices to bring up in the ranks. NFTA is experiencing a driver shortage, as is all student, transit, and motorcoach companies/agencies. For example, even with my class and the next two classes behind me, there won't be enough drivers to cover the extra board for very long. Again, if a 19-21 year old has his/her license, that person can easily turn a 35-40 year career and not be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in college loan debt and a worthless degree. I'm not knocking college, there are fields that require a degree, but why push it as the end all to a better life?
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I don't disagree that vocational and trade schools should have more emphasis, and funding. There are plenty of good arguments for it. Historically, for four-year and graduate colleges...everyone pushed for it, liberals, conservatives, everyone. Then college became a way to access wealth and social status...that was pushed more for conservatives. Also, colleges are areas for pushing and challenging knowledge, hence the liberal counter culture. These are the arguments for the end-all-be-all to go to college and get a degree...everyone was sold that by everyone else.

Also, one of the reasons why you saw a downturn in vocational and trade schools is for a very simple reason. Most of the graduates would join guilds and/or unions and the right didn't like that and tired real hard to quash it at all levels. And that will happen again, when the Trumps of the world look down on those who do valuable services but aren't college graduates or come from money and then bemoan why they have to pay a "ditch digger" a living wage....

Side note: dumbing down a populace is a good way to gain control over a populace.
 
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