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I need a mathy person

LOL Not on any social media site on the Internet. I didn't discover Internet forums until 2017.




Well, academic advisors, despite their title, have as a main priority ensuring students graduate. Secondarily is to see them do so in four years or as near to it as possible. Naturally, doing that requires giving students "empirical" input about what to take, what "this or that" discipline entails, who are better and worse teachers, etc. The dimension of AA's job performance that pertains to graduate rates and whatnot is called "academic outcomes achieved." There's an element of relativity to an AA's performance on that criterion, but overall it's highly quantifiable. It's usually described as the extent to which an AA's advisees "develop an educational plan that leads to the timely completion of their educational goals." No AA is going to openly state that that is a key metric in their annual performance review, but it is.

For the most part, schools that graduate their students in four years are schools that overall have the highest performing student bodies. Every school has someone one the "six year plan" for a bachelor's degree, but one of the admissions department's goals is to screen for students who might be of a mind to do that and not admit them, that's especially the case at schools that consider themselves to be or want to be seen as "highly competitive." Some potential signs of that sort of scholastic behavior of that sort:
  • really high scores in high school or on the SAT/ACT, but not both.
  • higher than 4.0 high school GPA while not performing well enough on AP exams to earn college credit.
Schools will admit a few such "eccentric" kids, but not many. Non traditional age students/applicants don't generally get considered that way, mainly because of the presumption of maturity, thus commitment, associated with returning to school at a slightly older age. (Returning adults are great students for colleges. They want to get in, do what needs to be done, do it well, and get the hell up out of there so they can move on with their lives.) The same concept tends to apply to "genius" kids who enter college earlier than "normal." They've been "in a hurry" all their lives; there's no reason to think they suddenly will stop being so.

I have a friend on here who urged me to go back. She had heard me talk about it for a while, because I'd always wanted to go back, but it was hard to do with a small child, full time work, etc. I always said I'd go back, but then my family grew and it wasn't in the cards. She said the same as you about nontraditional students, and how professors generally like them because they are no frills, no bull**** students. I have ended up being good friends with a few of my professors as a result. We bull**** about politics, we go out for coffee, etc.

As far as my former AA, she gave me a few classes that I didn't need, that didn't go towards my degree. My current AA was like, "Why did she give you that? You don't need that." But that's OK. It's over. I wasted some money, and a little time, but in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal.
 
I have a friend on here who urged me to go back. She had heard me talk about it for a while, because I'd always wanted to go back, but it was hard to do with a small child, full time work, etc. I always said I'd go back, but then my family grew and it wasn't in the cards. She said the same as you about nontraditional students, and how professors generally like them because they are no frills, no bull**** students. I have ended up being good friends with a few of my professors as a result. We bull**** about politics, we go out for coffee, etc.

As far as my former AA, she gave me a few classes that I didn't need, that didn't go towards my degree. My current AA was like, "Why did she give you that? You don't need that." But that's OK. It's over. I wasted some money, and a little time, but in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal.
A spread sheet is your friend ( or maybe not),
but most Bachelors degrees are roughly 40 classes, (120 hours/3),
If you need 5 classes to graduate, that means your 3.17 Current GPA is based on roughly 35 classes.
In a spreadsheet list positions 1 through 35 as 3.17, and positions 36 to 40 as 4.0.
at the bottom of the column enter the average formula =average( a1:a40)
This comes up to 3.27375, so if after 35 classes, the best you can move your GPA up with all As in the last 5 classes,
is about .1 points.
You can adjust the class count to your particular count, but it will not change much.
 
Anybody here a mathy person? This is no big deal, but I am trying to determine if my current classes will get me graduating with honors and I don't know how to configure it (which should truthfully exclude me from being able to graduate with honors :lol:).

What's your major?? The reason I ask is that most fields require some form of advanced math and this is pretty basic stuff. It's literally 7th grade math. If you can't figure this out on your own, then somewhere along the line you missed a pretty big piece of your education. Given what you've stated in this thread about your grades (Dam's List, President's List), I'm honestly a little shocked that you can't figure this out. You sound smart enough or at least well educated, but how did you miss the application part? I've got a High School education and I could figure this out in a couple of minutes at most, so how is it that you can't?? Seriously, I'd be more concerned about not being able to figure this out with your education than about graduating with honors (which to be perfectly frank, if you can't do this simple math, then how in the world could you ever graduate with honors?).
 
What's your major?? The reason I ask is that most fields require some form of advanced math and this is pretty basic stuff. It's literally 7th grade math. If you can't figure this out on your own, then somewhere along the line you missed a pretty big piece of your education. Given what you've stated in this thread about your grades (Dam's List, President's List), I'm honestly a little shocked that you can't figure this out. You sound smart enough or at least well educated, but how did you miss the application part? I've got a High School education and I could figure this out in a couple of minutes at most, so how is it that you can't?? Seriously, I'd be more concerned about not being able to figure this out with your education than about graduating with honors (which to be perfectly frank, if you can't do this simple math, then how in the world could you ever graduate with honors?).
This may just be me, but I find many people can do the math, but are not confident in the result.
Having outside validation reinforces (or corrects)their own results.
 
What I am looking for is - I have a certain GPA. I want to be at a somewhat higher GPA. I don't think I will make it there, but I was wondering if it would be a possibility.

What's your GPA and what do you need to do to improve it?
 
Thanks. My institutional is 3.57. I came in with a lower GPA from my last school because I had some personal problems, and my husband had some medical problems, so my classes took a back seat to life. But when we moved here, and I transferred here, I started doing better, my husband's health got better and I was able to put everything into my classes. The problem is it took me a while to get my GPA from a 2.5 (which is where I was when I transferred here) to the 3.17 I have now.

The school is small, but their requirement to graduate with honors is a 3.75. I've worked hard, and I have no doubt in my mind that if I had the time, I'd get there. I've been on the Dean's List twice (3.5 GPA per term, 12 credit hours or more) and once, I made the President's List (4.0, with 16 credit hours for one term). I believe this term, I will also end up on the President's List with 4.0 in all 5 classes. So I can do it if I just have time. Just don't see me having the time.

Thanks. :)
I think we are getting closer to an answer.
If your institutional GPA is 3.57, how many classes is that based upon?
that is the number you need to average the last 5 classes into.
If it is only based on 20 classes, then the 5 classes will move the number more than if is based on 35 classes.
 
Thanks, luv. I'm not overloaded, though. I took 5 classes this term, and 5 set up for summer, and then I'm done. I was just wondering if I can get from a 3.17 to a 3.75 between 5 classes this term (with 4.0 in each class) and 5 classes next term (with my fingers crossed LOL).

I don't think I can. Changing your GPA is like moving a glacier. It.... just.... never.... happens.... fast. I don't think I'll have time to do this with 10 classes (30 credit hours).
I guess you can add up all the points from grades in classes (dependent on whether an F gets zero points or 1 point, I'm guessing zero) and divide by the number of credit hours.
 
A spread sheet is your friend ( or maybe not),
but most Bachelors degrees are roughly 40 classes, (120 hours/3),
If you need 5 classes to graduate, that means your 3.17 Current GPA is based on roughly 35 classes.
In a spreadsheet list positions 1 through 35 as 3.17, and positions 36 to 40 as 4.0.
at the bottom of the column enter the average formula =average( a1:a40)
This comes up to 3.27375, so if after 35 classes, the best you can move your GPA up with all As in the last 5 classes,
is about .1 points.
You can adjust the class count to your particular count, but it will not change much.

I like the "old school" algebraic way of figuring that out, but your way works too. More than one way to skin a cat. LOL
 
What's your major?? The reason I ask is that most fields require some form of advanced math and this is pretty basic stuff. It's literally 7th grade math. If you can't figure this out on your own, then somewhere along the line you missed a pretty big piece of your education. Given what you've stated in this thread about your grades (Dam's List, President's List), I'm honestly a little shocked that you can't figure this out. You sound smart enough or at least well educated, but how did you miss the application part? I've got a High School education and I could figure this out in a couple of minutes at most, so how is it that you can't?? Seriously, I'd be more concerned about not being able to figure this out with your education than about graduating with honors (which to be perfectly frank, if you can't do this simple math, then how in the world could you ever graduate with honors?).

If you are going to be a dick, find your way out of here. I am asking for help. Not insults.
 
What's your GPA and what do you need to do to improve it?

Institutional is 3.56. Overall is 3.17. I was just wondering if 10 classes (30 credit hours) with 4.0s in each class would be enough to get me to 3.75. I'm thinking it won't.
 
I think we are getting closer to an answer.
If your institutional GPA is 3.57, how many classes is that based upon?
that is the number you need to average the last 5 classes into.
If it is only based on 20 classes, then the 5 classes will move the number more than if is based on 35 classes.

Institutional is 3.56 based on 28 classes. I have 5 classes (15 credit hours) this term that will be coming in at or very close to 4.0. I expect the same for next term.
 
Thanks, luv. I'm not overloaded, though. I took 5 classes this term, and 5 set up for summer, and then I'm done. I was just wondering if I can get from a 3.17 to a 3.75 between 5 classes this term (with 4.0 in each class) and 5 classes next term (with my fingers crossed LOL).

I don't think I can. Changing your GPA is like moving a glacier. It.... just.... never.... happens.... fast. I don't think I'll have time to do this with 10 classes (30 credit hours).

[(# hours to date) x (current GPA) + remaining hours x 4.0]/total hours = max GPA.

So if you're taken 90 hours, and have 30 hours left, and your GPA is now 3.17, the calculation is (90 x 3.17) + (30 x 4.0) = 285.3 + 120 = 405.3/120 hours = 3.38.
 
Institutional is 3.56 based on 28 classes. I have 5 classes (15 credit hours) this term that will be coming in at or very close to 4.0. I expect the same for next term.
Use the spreadsheet,
If you put in 28, 3.56 cells and 10, 4.0 cells, the average comes out to 3.68.
The assumption is that the classes are 3 hours each, and they may not be.
 
Institutional is 3.56 based on 28 classes. I have 5 classes (15 credit hours) this term that will be coming in at or very close to 4.0. I expect the same for next term.

OK, assuming 3 hours per class, 28 classes, 84 hours so far, 30 remaining, 114 total hours.

(84 hours x 3.56) + (30 hours x 4.0) = 419.04/(114) = 3.68.
 
[(# hours to date) x (current GPA) + remaining hours x 4.0]/total hours = max GPA.

So if you're taken 90 hours, and have 30 hours left, and your GPA is now 3.17, the calculation is (90 x 3.17) + (30 x 4.0) = 285.3 + 120 = 405.3/120 hours = 3.38.

OK according to these calculations, plugging in my own numbers, I won't make it there. The closest I will get is 3.37.
 
Use the spreadsheet,
If you put in 28, 3.56 cells and 10, 4.0 cells, the average comes out to 3.68.
The assumption is that the classes are 3 hours each, and they may not be.

Yeah for the most part, all are 3 hours each. Had a couple of science/lab classes that were 4 hours, but mostly everything is 3.

So I am close, but no cigar.

Story of my life. :lol:

Thanks!
 
Thanks to everyone for trying to help, and thanks for not making me feel badly. It was pretty tough to admit that I came in with a low GPA. Some people like to take your failings and use them against you. Some are already doing it in here, and also in another part of the forum.

Thanks again. :)
 
Thanks to everyone for trying to help, and thanks for not making me feel badly. It was pretty tough to admit that I came in with a low GPA. Some people like to take your failings and use them against you. Some are already doing it in here, and also in another part of the forum.

Thanks again. :)
Putting that avatar to good use, I see.
 
Thanks to everyone for trying to help, and thanks for not making me feel badly. It was pretty tough to admit that I came in with a low GPA. Some people like to take your failings and use them against you. Some are already doing it in here, and also in another part of the forum.

Thanks again. :)
You could fill out the spread sheet all the way with the actual credits, and look which classes had the most affect,
I.E. C's or lower, retake just those lower ranked classes, and see what that would do to your GPA.
 
Doesn't matter. Just argue with the college about your GPA, make a compelling case that they're discriminating against you in particular, and see what happens. You can say things like, "I totally should've gotten an "A" in that class because the cat was sick and I had to walk to work for a week because the car was in the shop...If I had only one leg would that change your perspective? I almost got hit by a meteorite and there was a petrified frog in my cereal box. I believe that, and much more which I haven't elaborated on because I don't want any pity, should offer a new perspective on my effort here, which should be recognized."
 
You could fill out the spread sheet all the way with the actual credits, and look which classes had the most affect,
I.E. C's or lower, retake just those lower ranked classes, and see what that would do to your GPA.

Yeah Xelor had mentioned something similar, or just keep going and taking more classes until I get where I need to be.

Thing is, it's not a huge deal for me. It was something that I thought would be cool to have. It's honestly not worth prolonging my degree, just to have a higher GPA. I'd like it, but it's not like I need a high GPA to get into the college I want to get into. I just wanted it as a personal best type thing.
 
Doesn't matter. Just argue with the college about your GPA, make a compelling case that they're discriminating against you in particular, and see what happens. You can say things like, "I totally should've gotten an "A" in that class because the cat was sick and I had to walk to work for a week because the car was in the shop...If I had only one leg would that change your perspective? I almost got hit by a meteorite and there was a petrified frog in my cereal box. I believe that, and much more which I haven't elaborated on because I don't want any pity, should offer a new perspective on my effort here, which should be recognized."

That might sound like a joke but I once got a B in a Philosophy class where I missed a midterm by telling the professor that I was a recovering alcoholic and had fallen off the wagon. Discussing Sartre at 8am just wasn't my thing back then.
 
Doesn't matter. Just argue with the college about your GPA, make a compelling case that they're discriminating against you in particular, and see what happens. You can say things like, "I totally should've gotten an "A" in that class because the cat was sick and I had to walk to work for a week because the car was in the shop...If I had only one leg would that change your perspective? I almost got hit by a meteorite and there was a petrified frog in my cereal box. I believe that, and much more which I haven't elaborated on because I don't want any pity, should offer a new perspective on my effort here, which should be recognized."

WTF? Why would I try to get something that I haven't earned? That'd be like bragging about beating a video game, which you actually cheated to get to win.

I'd rather do this based on merit.

But thanks for your input?
 
That might sound like a joke but I once got a B in a Philosophy class where I missed a midterm by telling the professor that I was a recovering alcoholic and had fallen off the wagon. Discussing Sartre at 8am just wasn't my thing back then.

:lol: Good grief, who would schedule a philosophy class that early in the morning? My brain doesn't engage that early.
 
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