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Americans Losing Faith in College Degrees, Poll Finds

PeteEU said:
Not a big shocker considering the anti-academic GOP spewing out hatred towards education.
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"It's all the Republicans' fault"....how original.
 
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Resles Leggs said:
This college fellow here claims that all life on the planet will likely disappear within the next 100 years.

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I believe him. I understand him to be brilliant, and clearly he has no seedy hidden agendas. But since he said that, the only reaction has been: "Oh look, the crippled fella can talk by looking at the letters. He was on the Simpsons and Futurama you know? Okay, now... about the new bathrooms..." I suppose its crude of me to ask but what was the point of sending the crippled fella to University and then making him head of his own school of the cosmos if you weren't going to listen to him?... Maybe he should've been a plumber? You know, one of the "base trades?"

It's pretty obvious where the silliness that is Christianity/Capitalism is headed.. to the gutter. The primary disseminators of the fundamental false precepts, are the universities... Some FAR more than others. Georgetown University is located in Washington DC and produces MANY, MANY government functionaries fully primed with Jesuit sensibilities. THAT'S why it's located in WASHINGTON silly... The school creates "leaders." ALL universities claim the same thing: "We build Leaders" And they DO!... Leaders on the same page... working from the same script... the very people who set the world on the verge of extinction awarding gold stars to the study of complete fantasy.
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He's channeling Al Gore!
 
chuckiechan said:
And you have back up, of course?
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If you honestly think that Democrats favor higher education because students don't count toward the unemployment figures, I don't much need it. The rank idiocy of your statement speaks for itself.

Of course, I assume you don't have anything to back up YOUR asinine claim, since some things never change.
 
chuckiechan said:
College is popular with democrats because when you enter college you are not part of the unemployment figures. For many, college is just a big high school. 24/7 frat parties with fewer rules and more chicks.
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pinqy said:
How the Government measures Unemployment
"Students are treated the same as other persons; that is, they are classified as employed or unemployed if they meet the criteria, whether they are in school on a full- or part-time basis."
And those criteria are:
"People are considered employed if they did any work at all for pay or profit during the survey reference week. This includes all part-time and temporary work, as well as regular full-time, year-round employment. Individuals also are counted as employed if they have a job at which they did not work during the survey week, whether they were paid or not,..."
"People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. ..."
I find it odd that you demanded I showed my evidence even though you had no evidence to support your claim.
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As usual, chuckiechan pulling completely fabricated facts out of his ass in order to attempt to insult the entire concept of education. Perhaps you should've paid more attention in school. Let me guess, you'd like to have all college and higher education completely eradicated so the world would be more like you?

Fearandloathing said:
One, where do you get the insane idea that banning student loans will 'correct' what is an "image problem", as identified by the OP?
Two, what's wrong with high end architecture at a facility that teaches architecture?
Your problem seems to be any study of the "humanities" is a cause for disdain when it clear you don't know enough about such studies to see their impact on society. But then you would also deny the fact that social workers and aid givers have been 1000 times more successful at building international relations than your entire defense department.
Since the world is made up of people, and people have emotions it would be extremely stupid not to study those aspects as well as science and technology. Or would you rather we didn't solve crimes with sociology, psychology and criminology?
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If there's anything LowDown hates more than science, it's every other degree field.
 
LowDown said:
It depends on which area of study we are talking about. The STEM subjects still command a lot of respect while the mere existence of fields like gender studies and all the other grievance mongering departments showers down disdain upon academe from the public.

Complete elimination of student loan programs would correct most of this, I think. But then you can kiss the brass, glass and marble student centers goodbye.
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Originally college was based on merit, which then translated to a place where the smartest students would collect. This kept the cost down due to limited enrollment and the need to lure the best and brightest with signing bonuses. This was the prestige game played by the universities. Now with quota type laws, where merit is not important as student loans, demand has far exceed supply and costs of education have increased. It no longer adds up in terms of cost/benefit. This is true all through culture where merit based has been exchanged for quotas. The result is system wide higher cost/benefit. What is happening is fewer men are going to college and instead opting for skilled trades where money is better and benefit is higher; new cream of the crop place where quotas are less evident.
 
pinqy said:
How the Government measures Unemployment
"Students are treated the same as other persons; that is, they are classified as employed or unemployed if they meet the criteria, whether they are in school on a full- or part-time basis."

And those criteria are:
"People are considered employed if they did any work at all for pay or profit during the survey reference week. This includes all part-time and temporary work, as well as regular full-time, year-round employment. Individuals also are counted as employed if they have a job at which they did not work during the survey week, whether they were paid or not,..."

"People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. ..."

I find it odd that you demanded I showed my evidence even though you had no evidence to support your claim.
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The part of post #14 you and Al missed:

College is not a "job" so there is no category for them. They are not part of the workforce unless they are working and going to school.
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So if they are college only with no outside work they are not in the figures until they begin working at some job.

And BTW, Al, hurling personal insults at me only make you look stupider.
 
chuckiechan said:
The part of post #14 you and Al missed:



So if they are college only with no outside work they are not in the figures until they begin working at some job.
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No. They are included as unemployed if they start looking for a job while in school.

My point is that students in college are not treated differently. If you are working, you're employed. If you're not working but are looking and are currently available, you are unemployed. If you are not working and not looking and/or not currently available, you are Not in the Labor Force. You seemed to be implying that no college student is classified as unemployed, which, of course, is untrue.
 
pinqy said:
No. They are included as unemployed if they start looking for a job while in school.

My point is that students in college are not treated differently. If you are working, you're employed. If you're not working but are looking and are currently available, you are unemployed. If you are not working and not looking and/or not currently available, you are Not in the Labor Force. You seemed to be implying that no college student is classified as unemployed, which, of course, is untrue.
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No. They are included as unemployed if they start looking for a job while in school.
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I can find nothing to back that up. Show me.
 
chuckiechan said:
I can find nothing to back that up. Show me.
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I already did. I cited it and linked. Again: "Students are treated the same as other persons; that is, they are classified as employed or unemployed if they meet the criteria, whether they are in school on a full- or part-time basis."
And the criteria for unemployed are: "People are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work"
So if Joe College is looking for a job so that he'll be working and going to school, he is unemployed. If Jane College starts applying in January to get a job when she graduates in May, she is not unemployed in January because she would not be working in January regardless of anything else.
 
PeteEU said:
Not a big shocker considering the anti-academic GOP spewing out hatred towards education.
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The trend of devaluing a degree wouldn't have merit if college degrees themselves weren't becoming increasingly worthless.

He earns $50,000 a year as a mechanic. “There’s a huge need for skilled labor in his country.”
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If I had a choice between hiring a person with a degree in Gender Studies and a student with no degree at all, I'd probably choose the person without the degree.
 
Kobie said:
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read.
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chuckiechan said:
College is popular with democrats because when you enter college you are not part of the unemployment figures. For many, college is just a big high school. 24/7 frat parties with fewer rules and more chicks.
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chuckiechan said:
No link, no truth. Just your interpretation.
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Ok back up

Pinqy already pointed out that students are counted as unemployed if they are looking for work to work while in school

Right now in the US , the democrats do not hold congress, the senate, or the presidency. So a low unemployment number helps the Republicans, from a PR standpoint and would hurt the Democrats.

So right now the democrats from a PR standpoint would benefit greatly if students were counted as unemployed. When democrats are in power the opposite would be true.

Your statement fails all logical interpretations of why Democrats would gain from students not being counted as unemployed. As such your post is simply bunk driven by your dislike for higher education and democrats in general
 
chuckiechan said:
I want to read from the link itself.
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Then why haven't you? I provided the link. I quoted directly from the link and indicated it via quotation marks. Here's the link again: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
If you specifically go to https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#nilf and scroll up to example #5, you will see "Students are treated the same as other persons; that is, they are classified as employed or unemployed if they meet the criteria, whether they are in school on a full- or part-time basis."

If you go specifically to https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#overlap you will find:
"To summarize, the employed are:
All those who did any work for pay or profit during the survey reference week.
All those who did at least 15 hours of unpaid work in a business or farm operated by a family member with whom they live.
All those who were temporarily absent from their regular jobs because of illness, vacation, bad weather, labor dispute, or various personal reasons, whether or not they were paid for the time off.


The unemployed are:
All those who did not have a job at all during the survey reference week, made at least one specific active effort to find a job during the prior 4 weeks, and were available for work (unless temporarily ill).
All those who were not working and were waiting to be called back to a job from which they had been laid off. (They need not be looking for work to be classified as unemployed.) "

I really don't know how I could be any more explicit.
 
chuckiechan said:
College is popular with democrats because when you enter college you are not part of the unemployment figures. For many, college is just a big high school. 24/7 frat parties with fewer rules and more chicks.
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Not true. It depends on if you are looking for a job or not. A college student who desires to work but can't find a job is unemployed, one who has a job is employed, and one who isn't seeking work isn't counted either way. Nothing about being a college student exempts one from working.

Anyhow, if our unemployment figures went through the roof right now, liberals would love it because they could blame it on the republican held executive and legislative branches.
 
imagep said:
Not true. It depends on if you are looking for a job or not. A college student who desires to work but can't find a job is unemployed, one who has a job is employed, and one who isn't seeking work isn't counted either way. Nothing about being a college student exempts one from working.

Anyhow, if our unemployment figures went through the roof right now, liberals would love it because they could blame it on the republican held executive and legislative branches.
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I'd say we are pretty much on the same page:

chuckiechan said:
The part of post #14 you and Al missed:



So if they are college only with no outside work they are not in the figures until they begin working at some job.

And BTW, Al, hurling personal insults at me only make you look stupider.
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And thanks for the link.
 
chuckiechan said:
College is popular with democrats because when you enter college you are not part of the unemployment figures. For many, college is just a big high school. 24/7 frat parties with fewer rules and more chicks.
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Oh brother.
 
Resles Leggs said:
This college fellow here claims that all life on the planet will likely disappear within the next 100 years.

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I believe him. I understand him to be brilliant, and clearly he has no seedy hidden agendas. But since he said that, the only reaction has been: "Oh look, the crippled fella can talk by looking at the letters. He was on the Simpsons and Futurama you know? Okay, now... about the new bathrooms..." I suppose its crude of me to ask but what was the point of sending the crippled fella to University and then making him head of his own school of the cosmos if you weren't going to listen to him?... Maybe he should've been a plumber? You know, one of the "base trades?"

It's pretty obvious where the silliness that is Christianity/Capitalism is headed.. to the gutter. The primary disseminators of the fundamental false precepts, are the universities... Some FAR more than others. Georgetown University is located in Washington DC and produces MANY, MANY government functionaries fully primed with Jesuit sensibilities. THAT'S why it's located in WASHINGTON silly... The school creates "leaders." ALL universities claim the same thing: "We build Leaders" And they DO!... Leaders on the same page... working from the same script... the very people who set the world on the verge of extinction awarding gold stars to the study of complete fantasy.
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That "crippled fellow" was not crippled when he got his education. He was first diagnosed at 21.
 
when I was age 15 to 21 I prolly earned more $$$$$$$ selling 'stuff' than most folks that were living in mansions on Fairfield Ave ...................... I didn't have no college edumucation ........... o' course, that was a different time :mrgreen: .............
 
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