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Ban homework?

If a kid has night terrors, I'd think it's time to start re-evaluating the situation.

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Josie said:
I know -- that's another thing I've been bouncing around. I want to challenge my higher-level kids and not frustrate my lower-level kids. But many of my lower-level kids don't do their homework anyway because their parents don't make them.
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How much differentiated instruction training have you had access to?

Ex. Some of those 'podding' techniques may help.

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justabubba said:
i believe it is unfortunate that the government cannot issue licenses to authorize only responsible individuals the ability to bear children
those without the means or inclination to provide and care for their children are more inclined to breed

in order to go fishing one must have a license, but any irresponsible idiot can bear a child to become a lifetime ward of the state

apologies for the thread hi-jack; back to the topic
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You *do know* that this mentaility was tried up through the 1960's and 1970's with disastrous consequences, right?

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justabubba said:
and this exemplifies my point. you have no opposition to kids born into family situations where they have no parental support, you would simply curtail government assistance to that family which then deprives the child further
that's one hell of an unrealistic argument
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The point of cutting back federal programs would act as a deterrent in slowing down the number of kids born to a parent(s) that can not provide for them. Before there were countless number of government welfare programs, out of wedlock births were quite low. But now with all the programs a single mother can get often is equivalent to what a family with two parents who both work. I think most parents try to do right by their kids but there is a growing number who do not. Today there are way too many babies being born to those who do not have the means to physically provide for them and too often are emotionally immature to raise a child. There are too many families where the father is MIA.
you argue against homework while extolling the educational level of your kids and grandkids who had to complete significant amounts of homework
it is as if you presume that homework had no impact on their academic success
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Nope I did not state I was against homework. I implied that it needs to be curtailed. I see my grandkids bogged down with homework. They do it because their parents insist on it but it takes away too much of their free down time and family time.
 
Fiddytree said:
You *do know* that this mentaility was tried up through the 1960's and 1970's with disastrous consequences, right?

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no, i didn't. please share the information about that era and the unsuccessful attempt to eliminate children being born into homes that could not care for them
 
justabubba said:
no, i didn't. please share the information about that era and the unsuccessful attempt to eliminate children being born into homes that could not care for them
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It was eugenic sterilization programs unofficially utilized prior to legislation passed on up through the 1960s and 1970s.

Social workers, police, and medical professionals targeted the poor, racial minorities, and those thought to have disabilities of varying sorts. If any one of these individuals thought someone was incapable of raising a child, they would try to exercise veto power over the individual's body and liberty.

States have been sued for their prpgrams and restitution has been sought by victims, but fought against by state lawmakers across the country.

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vesper said:
The point of cutting back federal programs would act as a deterrent in slowing down the number of kids born to a parent(s) that can not provide for them. Before there were countless number of government welfare programs, out of wedlock births were quite low. But now with all the programs a single mother can get often is equivalent to what a family with two parents who both work. I think most parents try to do right by their kids but there is a growing number who do not. Today there are way too many babies being born to those who do not have the means to physically provide for them and too often are emotionally immature to raise a child. There are too many families where the father is MIA.
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it appears we agree that the problem is too many children being born into homes that are unable to care for them
where we differ is the proposed solution to the problem
my approach is to qualify those who can give birth to that cohort found by the government to exhibit responsible behavior
your approach is to withhold money from the homes with kids which children already suffer from having a negligent parent(s). it is as if you refuse to see how much harm that will do the the needy child, who now eats because of food stamps and who now has shelter because of housing programs. what becomes of that child when there is no assistance for food and shelter


Nope I did not state I was against homework. I implied that it needs to be curtailed. I see my grandkids bogged down with homework. They do it because their parents insist on it but it takes away too much of their free down time and family time.
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your stated position was that you believe homework should be curtailed
which tells us you believe the way to enhance our students' education attainment is to have them perform less academic effort. that is one hell of a solution
 
justabubba said:
it appears we agree that the problem is too many children being born into homes that are unable to care for them
where we differ is the proposed solution to the problem
my approach is to qualify those who can give birth to that cohort found by the government to exhibit responsible behavior
your approach is to withhold money from the homes with kids which children already suffer from having a negligent parent(s). it is as if you refuse to see how much harm that will do the the needy child, who now eats because of food stamps and who now has shelter because of housing programs. what becomes of that child when there is no assistance for food and shelter



your stated position was that you believe homework should be curtailed
which tells us you believe the way to enhance our students' education attainment is to have them perform less academic effort. that is one hell of a solution
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Eugenics vs social Darwinism. The debate of the ages..... *rolls eyes*

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justabubba said:
it appears we agree that the problem is too many children being born into homes that are unable to care for them
where we differ is the proposed solution to the problem
my approach is to qualify those who can give birth to that cohort found by the government to exhibit responsible behavior
your approach is to withhold money from the homes with kids which children already suffer from having a negligent parent(s). it is as if you refuse to see how much harm that will do the the needy child, who now eats because of food stamps and who now has shelter because of housing programs. what becomes of that child when there is no assistance for food and shelter



your stated position was that you believe homework should be curtailed
which tells us you believe the way to enhance our students' education attainment is to have them perform less academic effort. that is one hell of a solution
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Sorry Bubba, when someone suggests to me that a person needs to be approved by the government before they can reproduce is one scary thought and certainly not the answer. And I was not talking about cutting all welfare programs but rather scaling back so that there is still an incentive to work. Because when a child sees a parent work for a living it sets a good needed example. But if there is evidence that the child is being neglected like being left for days at a time to fin for themselves, or parents at home strung out on drugs, the kids need to be removed from the home. There's always going to be bad parents and government can't fix it.


There is more to a child's life than school or should be. There is nothing wrong with a little homework but not to the point it consumes much of their evenings. It would be much better to extend the school year 4 weeks to use as a time to reinforce what the student was taught that year
 
Josie said:
No, I haven't "given up". Just because I think it might not be a necessity doesn't mean I have given up. No need to insult someone simply because they disagree with you.
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No need to take insult just because someone disagrees with you. You certainly sound like you have given up on assigning homework.

You keep saying "homework isn't for parents" as if I think homework IS for parents. I don't.
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because you say if a parent can't help there is no point to it...that is ridiculous

I'm not sure what your last statement means.
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It means that if you do not push your students to exceed and teach only to the median your country will be left behind.
 
_Sal said:
No need to take insult just because someone disagrees with you. You certainly sound like you have given up on assigning homework.
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No, I've given up on the idea that crappy parents are ever going to help their children at home.

_Sal said:
because you say if a parent can't help there is no point to it...that is ridiculous
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There IS no point to it when the child needs someone to help them at home and no one ever does.

_Sal said:
It means that if you do not push your students to exceed and teach only to the median your country will be left behind.
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Homework isn't teaching. I push my students to exceed daily, thank you.
 
Fiddytree said:
How much differentiated instruction training have you had access to?

Ex. Some of those 'podding' techniques may help.

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Podding techniques?

We have differentiated instruction during out RTI time. I could definitely take some cues from that and create differentiated homework. It's just that the math program we use has built-in homework so that's what everyone gives.
 
Josie said:
No, I've given up on the idea that crappy parents are ever going to help their children at home.
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which is why you don't give homework to those children unless you assign something they can succeed at


There IS no point to it when the child needs someone to help them at home and no one ever does.
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correct



Homework isn't teaching. I push my students to exceed daily, thank you
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. what a bizarre comment
 
Josie said:
Podding techniques?

We have differentiated instruction during out RTI time. I could definitely take some cues from that and create differentiated homework. It's just that the math program we use has built-in homework so that's what everyone gives.
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Sorry, I was being inarticulate. Creating pods to separate out skill levels and scale down--> up the lesson.
 
Fiddytree said:
Sorry, I was being inarticulate. Creating pods to separate out skill levels and scale down--> up the lesson.
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I guess I was thrown off by the word "pod". We do that every day during RTI for extra help with skills already taught, not with new lessons. I've heard of teachers doing it like that, though, and I'd love to try it.
 
Josie said:
I guess I was thrown off by the word "pod". We do that every day during RTI for extra help with skills already taught, not with new lessons. I've heard of teachers doing it like that, though, and I'd love to try it.
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I did not get very far in it myself, but I knew it was the way to go. The problem is it's a lot of front-loading for you, alone. I hope you have some great coordination with PLCs or the like.
 
americanwoman said:
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What do you think, homework or no homework?

I agree the worksheets sometimes given by the school are a little tedious and doesn't really inspire much learning. It is fun to engage your child in learning activities at night together but it's easy to let it start to slip as you balance that with all the different things you have to get done at home. For me, my daughter struggles most with reading so we do try to make time for her every night to read because that's what she really needs help with.

So in my opinion standard homework may not be the best option but to have the parent focus on what the child needs help with. However, that assumes the parent is involved and that's not always the case.
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I don't think homework should be banned, but I do think it should be kept to a reasonable amount, say 30 minutes, and no more than 2 nights a week.
 
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