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"The Simpsons" take on SJWs at Yale

Guy: "You're worse than Hitler!"

Burns: "Too late for flattery.."

:lamo
 
Okay.
 
So much for colleges/universities being the home of rebels and anti-establishment-types who detested government and embraced political freedom and HATED Political Correctness.

Now - it's the opposite (apparently).

Huge government (Feel the Bern) and less freedom (PC gone wild) seem to be the new mantras.

This is what you get when you have massive cheap credit (thanks to the Fed's ZIRP), the government bailing out EVERYONE and the young expecting the state to fix all their problems (free tuition, guaranteed incomes, $15 MW, etc.) and fiscal discipline be damned.

Basically, these people have it relatively easy, want it MUCH easier and have little to whine about but silly PC nonsense. They have gotten rather spoiled and whiny.

WHAT A MESS.


Oh well...it won't last.

As soon as this cheap money/massive deficit utopia comes crashing down one day (and it will - guaranteed)...reality will sink in and these Huge government/PC loving students will be frowned upon by the next breed that enter post-secondary education institutions.

The rebels will rule again...one day.
 
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Phys251 said:
Okay.
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I mean you gotta remember that Burns here is as much of a satirization of the right wing

"Is this still a coven of capitalism where evil money can acquire a patina of virtue!?"

You could just as easily frame this (and any Burns scene) as mocking of conservatives.
 
I missed this period in America - in the video - I was just a baby when this was going on.

But it sounds wonderful...what the youth of America (largely) once were (or tried to be)...and far, FAR from what they are today.

Today's post secondary students are largely about less independence, less responsibility, less freedom...and larger and larger government. Embrace the establishment and make it fix everything for you.

Back then - they sounded almost EXACTLY the opposite. Desperately fighting the establishment, embracing freedom/independence and trying to make the government stay out of their lives.

That was largely cool...today is largely not.

The video starts at about 12 seconds...

 
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I think the internet/Reddit/4chan took absurd people and gave them a platform, that spilled into mainstream. It's going to take some time for people to wake up to the fact that it's a tiny, stupid minority that holds those views, and they will wind it back. I hope.
 
DA60 said:
I missed this period in America - I was just a baby when this was going on.

But it sounds wonderful...what the youth of America (largely) once were (or tried to be)...and far, FAR from what they are today.

Today's post secondary students are largely about MUCH Bigger Government and MUCH less freedom to say and do whatever you wish.

Back then - they sounded EXACTLY the opposite.

That was largely cool...today is largely not.

The video starts at about 12 seconds...
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Mach said:
I think the internet/Reddit/4chan took absurd people and gave them a platform, that spilled into mainstream. It's going to take some time for people to wake up to the fact that it's a tiny, stupid minority that holds those views, and they will wind it back. I hope.
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I hope so too. I hope that those coming out of the colleges, their heads filled with the mush that their liberal / progressive activist professors filled them with, soon experience reality and dump that mush.

If they don't, it doesn't bode will for the future of the nation.
 
DA60 said:
So much for colleges/universities being the home of rebels and anti-establishment-types who detested government and embraced political freedom and HATED Political Correctness.

Now - it's the opposite (apparently).

Huge government (Feel the Bern) and less freedom (PC gone wild) seem to be the new mantras.
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Yeah, well...
The reason that so many millennials are in favor of more government is because self-absorbed Boomers have consistently demonstrated the need for a higher authority to govern their own behavior. They never quite proved themselves able to handle the amount of self-determination that they were granted.
 
Nilly said:
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You edited the video wrong.

Has nothing to do with me.

I am not saying this is the way it is (as Skinner was).

I am only saying this is the way it is and the 'The Wave' Speech is the way I largely wish it were.

Heck, even in the 80's when I was in university, the attitudes were NOTHING like today. Same with the 90's.


Here is what the video you posted was saying:




Try and get it right next time.
 
DA60 said:
You edited the video wrong.

Has nothing to do with me. I am not saying this is the way it is (as Skinner was).

I am only saying this is the way it is and the 'The Wave' Speech is the way I largely wish it were.


Here is what the video you posted was saying:


Try and get it right next time.
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???

I don't care about the first 5 secs of the video. My point was about you going on about younger generation being this or not being that, when really it makes you sound out of touch tbh.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Yeah, well...
The reason that so many millennials are in favor of more government is because self-absorbed Boomers have consistently demonstrated the need for a higher authority to govern their own behavior. They never quite proved themselves able to handle the amount of self-determination that they were granted.
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:roll:

What specific, NON-governmental/establishment behavior are you talking about that are especially to do with Baby Boomers that needed 'reeling in'.

Because government is not the fault of boomers per se. Government in America has ALWAYS been a source of corruption, waste and uselessness. Was before the boomers and still is today and will be tomorrow.
 
Nilly said:
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I don't care about the first 5 secs of the video. My point was about you going on about younger generation being this or not being that, when really it makes you sound out of touch tbh.
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Okay...well what part of my opinion about today's post secondary students am I SOOOO 'out of touch' about?

Feel the Bern was incredibly popular with America's youth...especially on college campuses. And that is about HUGE increases in government.

It sounds like all you did is pickup on my age and focussed on that...assuming I must be out of touch. Fine...prove it please?
 
DA60 said:
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What specific, NON-governmental/establishment behavior are you talking about that are especially to do with Baby Boomers that needed 'reeling in'.

Because government is not the fault of boomers per se. Government in America has ALWAYS been a source of corruption, waste and uselessness. Was before the boomers and still is today and will be tomorrow.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...
From where I am sitting it looks like the Boomer legacy is overwhelmingly characterized by foolish excess.
 
DA60 said:
Okay...well what part of my opinion about today's post secondary students am I SOOOO 'out of touch' about?

Feel the Bern was incredibly popular with America's youth...especially on college campuses. And that is about HUGE increases in government.

It sounds like all you did is pickup on my age and focussed on that...assuming I must be out of touch. Fine...prove it please?
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Everything in that video still happens.

The fact that you're missing it has more to do with your own perspective than with 'this generation'.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree...
From where I am sitting it looks like the Boomer legacy is overwhelmingly characterized by foolish excess.
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Ummm...with respect...are you serious?

The 90's - when Boomers were in their early 30's to late 40's - were about living within your means, balanced budgets, smaller government, say and do what you want (largely reflected in the music like the Seattle Sound). It was far from perfect. But it was not the free spending/deficits be damned/big government nightmare going on now.

Today (since 2001)...it's about cheap debt, live for today, get the government to bail you out if you fail....bigger government...MUCH bigger government.

One look at this chart should say it all:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/203064/national-debt-of-the-united-states-per-capita/

And that graph - I assume - does not include the huge balance sheet the Fed has accumulated since '07.
 
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Nilly said:
Everything in that video still happens.

The fact that you're missing it has more to do with your own perspective than with 'this generation'.
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Where exactly is what is shown in that video - huge numbers of youth - actively fighting against government, demanding more freedom/smaller government and less government involvement in their lives (much of it originating in college campuses) - going on in remotely the same numbers as then?

And if you are referring to 'Occupy Wall Street' and Feel the Bern and happenings like that? That is almost the polar opposite of what the Wave Speech video is about.

The former is about forcing government to spread money around, bigger and MUCH more powerful government.

The latter is about government leaving the people alone, let the masses do what they wish.


And Trumpbots are not it either. They are about big government (even though they claim to want small government), respect authority, big military, tradition...YUCH.
 
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DA60 said:
Okay...well what part of my opinion about today's post secondary students am I SOOOO 'out of touch' about?

Feel the Bern was incredibly popular with America's youth...especially on college campuses. And that is about HUGE increases in government.

It sounds like all you did is pickup on my age and focussed on that...assuming I must be out of touch. Fine...prove it please?
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Do you still go to college or are you basing this solely on the amount of college-aged Sander's supporters and The Simpsons? I can tell you that a heck of a lot of union members thought very highly of Sanders. I'm sure you're right though, I can't think of a time when some of Sander's rhetoric, and desire to expand government, ever captured another generation. It definitely didn't play a large role in the generation before the boomers.
 
MrPeanut said:
Do you still go to college or are you basing this solely on the amount of college-aged Sander's supporters and The Simpsons? I can tell you that a heck of a lot of union members thought very highly of Sanders. I'm sure you're right though, I can't think of a time when some of Sander's rhetoric, and desire to expand government, ever captured another generation. It definitely didn't play a large role in the generation before the boomers.
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No, I am basing it on what I see, my young friends (I have a lot of them - left over from my partying days), the news, the demands of people during the election, the debates I have on this/other chat forums, the huge rise in Keynesianism being taught on college campuses, the fact that massive deficits/personal debt are accepted by the masses, movements like Occupy Wall Street (which called for MASSIVE government intervention...trying to take other people's freedoms by forcibly taking their monies to have it 're-distributed').

But you summed it up pretty well.

The notion today is government must make things right. Both sides of the aisle are screaming it - in different ways.

To my knowledge, for decades, college sentiment was about trying to get government OUT of our daily lives. Let the individual run his/her life as they see fit.

It seems the polar opposite today.

There is NO WAY a call for 'guaranteed incomes' or 'free tuition' or 'wealth distribution' would have gotten any more than a laugh out of most people whom I went to university with.

I could be wrong...but everything I see and hear - on a local and a national level - seems to suggest I am not.
 
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DA60 said:
Where exactly is what is shown in that video - huge numbers of youth - actively fighting against government, demanding more freedom/smaller government and less government involvement in their lives (much of it originating in college campuses) - going on in remotely the same numbers as then?

And if you are referring to 'Occupy Wall Street' and Feel the Bern and happenings like that? That is almost the polar opposite of what the Wave Speech video is about.

The former is about forcing government to spread money around, bigger and MUCH more powerful government.

The latter is about government leaving the people alone, let the masses do what they wish.

And Trumpbots are not it either. They are about big government (even though they claim to want small government), respect authority, big military, tradition...YUCH.
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Issues change over time. In this day and age, the power of corporations is a bigger threat to us than the power of governments, and so the targets of protest have changed. That doesn't mean the sentiment of fighting for what people believe is right doesn't exist. Why is your video specifically anti-govt and not anti-oppression?

As for the 'leave us alone' sentiment. Have you been to a pride march?
 
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