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"The Simpsons" take on SJWs at Yale

Issues change over time. The power of corporations is a far bigger threat to us than the power of governments, and so the targets of protest have changed. That doesn't mean the sentiment doesn't exist.

As for the 'leave us alone' sentiment. Have you been to a pride march?
Corporations are no more powerful now than they were then. Far less so, imo. It's just that people have decided that they are the big bad wolf...whereas it is governments - controlled by the Big Bad Wolf - that are the problem.
How are corporation's more powerful now than back in the 60's?
And besides, it is the masses fault they are getting bailed out as it was the masses that was for the Auto bailouts (which I was against, btw). And the bank bailouts was largely supported by the masses (which I was also against).

Pride of what? LGBT/Gay Pride? They were huge in the 90's as well where I lived. But I am not referring to social norms and trying to alter/strengthen them.

I am STRICTLY referring to what was spoken in the Wave Speech video...government intervention/government power. Trying to get the government OUT of their lives.

Things like Occupy Wall Street and Feel The Bern are all about trying to get government FAR more into our lives. And it is silly. Bernie Sanders and other progressives are calling for FAR, FAR bigger government. Yet he freely admits that government is incredibly corrupt. It makes no sense.
 
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No, I am basing it on what I see, my young friends (I have a lot of them - left over from my partying days), the news, the demands of people during the election, the debates I have on this/other chat forums, the huge rise in Keynesianism being taught on college campuses, the fact that massive deficits are accepted by the masses, movements like Occupy Wall Street (which called for MASSIVE government intervention...trying to take other people's freedoms by forcibly taking their monies).

But you summed it up pretty well.

The notion today is government must make things right. Both sides of the aisle are screaming it - in different ways.

To my knowledge, for decades, college sentiment was about trying to get government OUT of our daily lives. Let the individual run his/her life as they see fit.

It seems the polar opposite today.

I could be wrong...but everything I see and hear - on a local and a national level - seems to suggest I am not.

I don't know how college education was decades ago, but I do know that today I have a hard time seeing my university in the more doom and gloom descriptions that fly around the internet. I haven't seen any protests on campus, and I haven't had any professors that demonize self sufficiency or try to promote large government. It would be interesting to me if the internet and smart phones existed fifty years ago. I think that technology has made it easier to see what we want to see, and that doesn't always check with reality.
 
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hahaha do you really believe this???????

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I said no such thing and you deliberately made it look like I said something I did not.

I will not put up with people putting words in my mouth. People like that are not worth my time.

For the record, I said the 90's (not 'Boomers') was about living within your means (just look at the fiscal budgets of AMerica, Canada and much of Europe...one balanced/near balanced budget after another).


I am not wasting my time with your nonsense...believe whatever you wish - you will anyway (obviously).

Adios.


I wonder how you spin that to suit your agenda?

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Corporations are no more powerful now than they were then. Far less so, imo. It's just that people have decided that they are the big bad wolf...whereas it is governments - controlled by the Big Bad Wolf - that are the problem.
How are corporation's more powerful now than back in the 60's?
And besides, it is the masses fault they are getting bailed out as it was the masses that was for the Auto bailouts (which I was against, btw). And the bank bailouts was largely supported by the masses (which I was also against).

Pride of what? LGBT/Gay Pride? They were huge in the 90's as well where I lived. But I am not referring to social norms and trying to alter/strengthen them.

I am STRICTLY referring to what was spoken in the Wave Speech video...government intervention/government power. Trying to get the government OUT of their lives.

Things like Occupy Wall Street and Feel The Bern are all about trying to get government FAR more into our lives. And it is silly. Bernie Sanders and other progressives are calling for FAR, FAR bigger government. Yet he freely admits that government is incredibly corrupt. It makes no sense.

IMO your distinction is biased. People protest against oppression/injustice. Just because your opinion of who is the cause of oppression is different doesn't make the protests any less valid. Right now, corporations are the ruling class (Trump, Tillerson, lobbyists, special interests) and thus they're the target of protests.



A few centuries ago people protested against religion or against monarchies. The target changes, but the core underlying reason is the same.

Pride marches were about getting govt out of lives. Letting people marry etc.
 
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I don't know how college education was decades ago, but I do know that today I have a hard time seeing my university in the more doom and gloom descriptions that fly around the internet. I haven't seen any protests on campus, and I haven't had any professors that demonize self sufficiency or try to promote large government. It would be interesting to me if the internet and smart phones existed fifty years ago. I think that technology has made it easier to see what we want to see, and that doesn't always check with reality.

It's simple. Have you seen hundreds of thousands of under 25's marching for more freedom from government, smaller government, to try and get government out of their lives lately? Over and over again?

I haven't.

But during the 60's...you did.

That is the difference I am talking about.

The only big events I have seen lately (like Occupy Wall Street) was about trying to get government FAR more into their lives.


My basic point is that today, I STRONGLY believe that most people (especially young liberals) believe that government can help you.

In my youth, we largely believed that government was ALWAYS bad and should never be trusted and the less power it had...the better.

Back then, liberals (which I was one) generally wanted to just be left alone by government. Sure, help the poor/unfortunate...but do it with fiscal responsibility.

Today, it is the opposite. Liberals are about free spending and damn fiscal responsibility. They look to government to help them.

We looked to government to leave us alone.


Anyway, that is how I see it.


Good day.
 
So much for colleges/universities being the home of rebels and anti-establishment-types who detested government and embraced political freedom and HATED Political Correctness.

Now - it's the opposite (apparently).

Huge government (Feel the Bern) and less freedom (PC gone wild) seem to be the new mantras.

This is what you get when you have massive cheap credit (thanks to the Fed's ZIRP), the government bailing out EVERYONE and the young expecting the state to fix all their problems (free tuition, guaranteed incomes, $15 MW, etc.) and fiscal discipline be damned.

Basically, these people have it relatively easy, want it MUCH easier and have little to whine about but silly PC nonsense. They have gotten rather spoiled and whiny.

WHAT A MESS.


Oh well...it won't last.

As soon as this cheap money/massive deficit utopia comes crashing down one day (and it will - guaranteed)...reality will sink in and these Huge government/PC loving students will be frowned upon by the next breed that enter post-secondary education institutions.

The rebels will rule again...one day.

Plenty of the "rebels" of the 1960s and 1970s thought that communism(of either the Russian or Chinese variety) was the way of the future and wanted to "tear down the system" to bulid that kind of government here. That doesn't strike me as either pro-small government or being politically free.
 
Plenty of the "rebels" of the 1960s and 1970s thought that communism(of either the Russian or Chinese variety) was the way of the future and wanted to "tear down the system" to bulid that kind of government here. That doesn't strike me as either pro-small government or being politically free.

I am STRICTLY referring to the Wave speech and what it said...NOTHING else. And what it said was referring to a large group of individuals in San Francisco in the mid '60's. Who were fighting the establishment/government.
What they were outside of that is irrelevant to me (many were communist and/or wanted to start their own little communes). That they were against the repression of the government is. That they wanted the federal government of the United States to stay out of their lives and to be FAR less powerful...that is 'the handle'.

I am not trying to defend an entire decade that I was not even (really) a part of.
 
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It's simple. Have you seen hundreds of thousands of under 25's marching for more freedom from government, smaller government, to try and get government out of their lives lately? Over and over again?

I haven't.

But during the 60's...you did.

Good day.

And now they protest against the causes that are important to them. Just because their causes are different to yours, doesn't invalidate their efforts. I was literally just at the march for science in Boston which had tens of thousands of people (a large proportion young). Again, just because you're not looking for it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Good day to you too.
 
For the record, I said the 90's (not 'Boomers') was about living within your means (just look at the fiscal budgets of AMerica, Canada and much of Europe...one balanced/near balanced budget after another).

Well the 90's were when the boomers were in control of policy and spending.

The entire period of time between the 70's up until the 2007 crash was full of policies of borrowing from the future. Jumps in technology (mainly the web) helped fund it. But now we're suffering from it.

Median retirement savings (by boomers and people who were in their career primes in the 90's) are $5000 (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/12/here...american-family-has-saved-for-retirement.html - mean at around $100k). 90's Americans were hardly the little savers that you make them out to be. They simply borrowed their wealth from the future.
 
Did you by chance see this?

In “A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Boomers Betrayed America,” Bruce Cannon Gibney traces many of our nation’s most pressing issues, including climate change and the rising cost of education, back to baby boomers’ idiosyncrasies and enormous political power. Raised in an era of seemingly unending economic prosperity with relatively permissive parents, and the first generation to grow up with a television, baby boomers developed an appetite for consumption and a lack of empathy for future generations that has resulted in unfortunate policy decisions, argues Gibney, who is in his early 40s. (That makes him Generation X.)

“These things conditioned the boomers into some pretty unhelpful behaviors and the behaviors as a whole seem sociopathic,” he said.
 
Did you by chance see this?

In “A Generation of Sociopaths: How the Boomers Betrayed America,” Bruce Cannon Gibney traces many of our nation’s most pressing issues, including climate change and the rising cost of education, back to baby boomers’ idiosyncrasies and enormous political power. Raised in an era of seemingly unending economic prosperity with relatively permissive parents, and the first generation to grow up with a television, baby boomers developed an appetite for consumption and a lack of empathy for future generations that has resulted in unfortunate policy decisions, argues Gibney, who is in his early 40s. (That makes him Generation X.)

“These things conditioned the boomers into some pretty unhelpful behaviors and the behaviors as a whole seem sociopathic,” he said.

Not sure what this is to do with the thread topic.

But, I personally do not defend Boomers. I could care less about 'em as a group.

What I do know is that in the 60's (as in the Wave Speech I posted), the young in San Fran at least, were concentrating on pushing to make the federal government smaller. To try and get them out of their lives as much as possible. They knew Washington was staggeringly corrupt and they fought to stay as far away from it as possible.

When I was in University in the mid-late 80's, college was not quite as rebellious as that. But there definitely was an overwhelming sensation that government is bad and not to be trusted. That it was necessary to a point. But after that, the desire was for government to let you do as much as you wanted (short of obvious illegalities) and let us fix are own problems.

This feeling continued into the 90's. It was about freedom and fun with necessary responsibility (ala fiscal discipline). Don't know who is to be credited for this (boomers, the generation before that, dunno - don't really care)...but just looking at how the Western countries for years ran balanced/near-balanced budgets. Low inflation, realistic debt, governments living within their means were the norm.
You never heard of mass rallies for MUCH bigger government, unlimited debt, free this and free that, forced wealth re-distribution, etc. from the government. Sure - we wanted free 'stuff'. But any idiot knew that they were not possible within a balanced budget. So, that was that.

After 2001, it all changed. Especially after the Great Recession began.

Liberals have abandoned fiscal responsibility....completely (they were the ones who championed it the strongest in the 90's). And cons have long just given lip service to it. They claim to want small government...but when was the last time a con federal government came remotely close to a balanced the budget? They just refuse to stop spending on the military...like a drug addict. ANd their love of trickle down economics - which is a complete joke.

And now the Federal Reserve has allowed people (and the government AND corporations) to live on cheap debt.

That is why America's economy has been relatively stagnant for so long.

And America will NEVER have 4% GDP growth again for an entire year until a) the Fed ends ZIRP and QE (both are still going on in slightly reduced forms); and/or b) there is a massive correction. Enough to show the ignorant masses how incredibly foolish they have been (and let their government's be - both parties) since about 2001.

Never in my life have I seen America so ridiculously PC (even more so than the early-mid 80's) or so ridiculously out of control with debt OR so staggeringly trusting that big government can make it all better.

It is truly pathetic.

But it will end...one day.

And I welcome that day...though initially, it's going to be UGLY for quite a few people.

Well...they brought it on themselves.
 
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I am STRICTLY referring to the Wave speech and what it said...NOTHING else. And what it said was referring to a large group of individuals in San Francisco in the mid '60's. Who were fighting the establishment/government.
What they were outside of that is irrelevant to me (many were communist and/or wanted to start their own little communes). That they were against the repression of the government is. That they wanted the federal government of the United States to stay out of their lives and to be FAR less powerful...that is 'the handle'.

I am not trying to defend an entire decade that I was not even (really) a part of.

The problem, of course, is that in reality by any objective standard, and even most subjunctive standards, the government has never really been "repressive".

Somebody who wanted to set up their own little Manson-esque commune does not become a good person just because they don't like the government.

If you use the roadways the government is part of your life. Unless you head off into the sheer wilderness, there's no real way to avoid it.
 
I mean you gotta remember that Burns here is as much of a satirization of the right wing

"Is this still a coven of capitalism where evil money can acquire a patina of virtue!?"

You could just as easily frame this (and any Burns scene) as mocking of conservatives.

That's the great thing about The Simpsons. They mock just about everyone and everything with equal amounts of glee.
 
As soon as this cheap money/massive deficit utopia comes crashing down one day (and it will - guaranteed)

I just hope it happens before my kids are old enough to go to college. What their college is going to cost scares the crap out of me otherwise.
 
And now they protest against the causes that are important to them. .
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I don't care about the first 5 secs of the video. My point was about you going on about younger generation being this or not being that, when really it makes you sound out of touch tbh.

No, the millinials are out of control During Vietnam and the war protests, that was a legitimate issue. This pansexual-cisgendered-otherkin safespace silencing of disagreeing opinions is something never seen before. There are plenty of legitimate issues going on right now...

For all the hatred of what's going on in the ME these millinials don't have a problem with gays being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia, women being used as slaves in Nigeria, or terrorists run amok in Europe. They don't even care about the lost job opportunities they face from outsourcing while simultaneously whining about being unable to find jobs out of college. Instead they're marching about nonsense.
 
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