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The end of vegetarianism, or not?

I've been for about 20 years (I'm 46). And I agree with your points. I'm also not evangelical about it. I figure life is a demonstration and it's absurd to expect everyone to carry the same sign. There are a million ways to improve society, I don't expect everyone to engage in this particular way.

This is an awesome post....Thanks.
 
You forgot the social impact of animal cruelty (desensitization), personal health and spiritual health. I suppose perhaps only personal health would be a consideration regarding synthetic meat. Though synthetic meat presents additional considerations such as corporate dependence (similar to the chemical treadmill).

Perhaps I should note and clarify the four main reasons for being vegetarian, since you kinda glossed over those:

1. Personal health.
2. Social health. This includes cruelty to animals and the resulting desensitization to violence. Animal cruelty does not only affect animals.
3. Ecologic health.
4. Spiritual health.

Any given vegetarian puts those in their own personal order of importance. Mine is 3, 2, 4, 1. Any order is reasonable.
Personal health is not dependent on not eating meat. One of the most healthiest of diets is said to be the mediterranean diet which includes meat.
Of social, ecological and spiritual i would agree on the fact that the commercialisation of the meat industry has put profit before any of these three.

It's not just the killing. For me, it's not really the killing at all. It's the conditions prior to killing.
Agreed, but again it is the commercialisation and industrialisation of the process that is the fault. Home kill products can get around that but is limited by it's nature and so is not an easily available alternative.

Vegan farts don't smell. Methane has virtually no smell and disperses quickly. It's hydrogen sulfides that produce the smell of farts. There's no sulfur in plant products.
True, but on the other hand meat eaters farts makes kids laugh,. especially the stinky ones.
 
This is an awesome post....Thanks.

I wish more vegetarians would see the good others do instead of ignorantly believing only their demonstration matters or thinking it's more important than other demonstrations. There's a ton of stuff helping society (and ecology) that I've never been a part of and have no interest in being a part of. We all pick up a demonstration sign or two and no one can carry all the signs we need to push us forward.
 
True, but on the other hand meat eaters farts makes kids laugh,. especially the stinky ones.

My farts make kids (and most adults) laugh. They're just all bark and no bite.
 
I wish more vegetarians would see the good others do instead of ignorantly believing only their demonstration matters or thinking it's more important than other demonstrations. There's a ton of stuff helping society (and ecology) that I've never been a part of and have no interest in being a part of. We all pick up a demonstration sign or two and no one can carry all the signs we need to push us forward.

We need to pick our battles, and anymore people are so crap that they often pick poorly.

Clearly you Sir are above average.




*I am pretty sure you know...the point is "I see you".
 
The only argument i agree with from vegetarians is that the meat industry is cruelty to animals and understand those who are vegetarians on that basis.

That it is also not very good use of land, can be a environmental hazard and has quite a few morally dubious practices.

But within 5 years it may be possible to purchase meat that is completely lab grown.

So is it a case that technology may just have killed the only good arguments vegetarians have for their lifestyle choice.

Or is there still more to it?


Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years - BBC News

Many of us have cut down or completely excluded meat from our diet not because of animal cruelty or better health or just to fit in with our friends. As one ages meat is just harder to digest and if you are at all interested in continuing cooking without meat it is very easy to learn how. We have much more creative meals these days with exceptional taste.
We still eat cheese, butter and eggs though.
 
Many of us have cut down or completely excluded meat from our diet not because of animal cruelty or better health or just to fit in with our friends. As one ages meat is just harder to digest and if you are at all interested in continuing cooking without meat it is very easy to learn how. We have much more creative meals these days with exceptional taste.
We still eat cheese, butter and eggs though.

I am more of the cut down type. Meat is only a small component. And a preference for white meat.
 
The only argument i agree with from vegetarians is that the meat industry is cruelty to animals and understand those who are vegetarians on that basis.

That it is also not very good use of land, can be a environmental hazard and has quite a few morally dubious practices.

But within 5 years it may be possible to purchase meat that is completely lab grown.

So is it a case that technology may just have killed the only good arguments vegetarians have for their lifestyle choice.

Or is there still more to it?


Team wants to sell lab grown meat in five years - BBC News

I don't know if the fat meet grown in laboratory has the same effect of fat meet from animals, but according to modern research it is this fat that causes diabetes type 2. And becoming vegan reverse the diabetes type 2 and the person can eat sugar, no need more medicine or insulin injection and can live a normal life.
 
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