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Abolishing the Department of "Education" and eliminating the cabinet level secretary.

Bassman

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In 1978, President Jimmy Carter formed the Department of Education and established a corresponding Cabinet Level secretary as payback to the teachers' unions (NEA) for their 1976 endorsement. The end result has been the quality of education since then has done nothing but circle the toilet bowl. No more teaching the basics, (Three Rs) Now everything is an educational flavor of the decade such as Outcome-Based Education (remember that one?), NCLB (Thank you Teddy Kennedy for that one) and now Common Core. Folks, education MUST be restored to local control, period.
 
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Bassman said:
In 1978, President Jimmy Carter formed the Department of Education and established a corresponding Cabinet Level secretary as payback to the teachers' unions (NEA) for their 1976 endorsement. The end result has been the quality of education since then has done nothing but circle the toilet bowl. No more teaching the basics, (Three Rs) Now everything is an educational flavor of the decade such as Outcome-Based Education (remember that one?), NCLB (Thank you Teddy Kennedy for that one) and now Common Core. Folks, education MUST be restored to local control, period.
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Getting rid of federal spending of over $75 billion is simply not going to happen - once the states get used to those "free" federal funds then they are more likely to increase than ever to be cut.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Getting rid of federal spending of over $75 billion is simply not going to happen - once the states get used to those "free" federal funds then they are more likely to increase than ever to be cut.
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What'll likely happen is that those monies would get reverted back to the states where it belongs.
 
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Bassman said:
What'll likely happen is that those monies would get reverted back to the states where it belongs.
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yes so that we can have states teach creationism as a curriculum requirement lol
 
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Bassman said:
What'll likely happen is that those monies would get reverted back to the states where it belongs.
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Nope, with federal funds comes federal control. What sense does it make to use federal taxation just to give that money away?
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, with federal funds comes federal control. What sense does it make to use federal taxation just to give that money away?
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You're missing the point. Abolish the Dept. of Education and not another cent goes to the Feds.
 
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Yeah, I can't think of ANYWAY for us to fall further behind in education then let 50 states make up 50 different set of rules on what to teach. Mississippi which is already ranked 50th in well, everything, will do great with something like this. LOL... They'll dumb down their schools even more, to the point where ANYONE graduating from any Mississippi school will have absolutely no chance of getting into a college in any other state, let alone getting a job in any other state.

What we'll save on dumping the Dept. of Ed., we'll spend taking care of generations of people who graduated in states believing the world was created in 6 days.

And yes I believe in God, but no I don't believe the earth was created in 6 days.
 
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Bassman said:
You're missing the point. Abolish the Dept. of Education and not another cent goes to the Feds.
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Yep, which means that the states must then raise their taxes to offset the federal funding that they now get "free".
 
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Bassman said:
So what?
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Of course you don't really care about education you care about religious indoctrination bASSman
 
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SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yeah, I can't think of ANYWAY for us to fall further behind in education then let 50 states make up 50 different set of rules on what to teach. Mississippi which is already ranked 50th in well, everything, will do great with something like this. LOL... They'll dumb down their schools even more, to the point where ANYONE graduating from any Mississippi school will have absolutely no chance of getting into a college in any other state, let alone getting a job in any other state.

What we'll save on dumping the Dept. of Ed., we'll spend taking care of generations of people who graduated in states believing the world was created in 6 days.

And yes I believe in God, but no I don't believe the earth was created in 6 days.
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College, better known as the Communist indoctrination centers, are not the end all be all to life after HS. There are the building trades, Commercial driving, etc. that don't require an alphabet soup and a piece of paper.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, which means that the states must then raise their taxes to offset the federal funding that they now get "free".
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So it's a wash. I'd rather not the states be held hostage by the Feds.
 
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Bassman said:
College, better known as the Communist indoctrination centers, are not the end all be all to life after HS. There are the building trades, Commercial driving, etc. that don't require an alphabet soup and a piece of paper.
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Commercial driving is going the way of the dodo.

Autonomous driving is coming and truckers along with cabbies will be hit hard
 
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Bassman said:
What'll likely happen is that those monies would get reverted back to the states where it belongs.
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Why even the States? The US spends more per kid on education than any country on earth, about $12000 a year. Yet we have some of the worst educated kids.

Right not that money goes to the public school district the kid lives in, in some cases even if the kid doesn't actually attend that school.

Why not attach that $12000 a year to the kid instead of the public school. Nationwide Let the parents use the money to send their kid to the private school of their choice.

I'm not even saying to end public schools, just force them to compete with private schools. That competition is the only way public schools will ever improve. Private schools will also improve by competing with each other, until America has the best education system in the world.

The only down side I can see is the danger of with this Government money, Government Bureaucrats and Teachers Unions getting a toe hold and destroying Private education the way they destroyed Public education.
 
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Lord Tammerlain said:
Commercial driving is going the way of the dodo.

Autonomous driving is coming and truckers along with cabbies will be hit hard
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Not in my lifetime. That sci fi fantasy won't happen. There needs to be human control of vehicles.
 
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Casca XV said:
Why even the States? The US spends more per kid on education than any country on earth, about $12000 a year. Yet we have some of the worst educated kids.

Right not that money goes to the public school district the kid lives in, in some cases even if the kid doesn't actually attend that school.

Why not attach that $12000 a year to the kid instead of the public school. Nationwide Let the parents use the money to send their kid to the private school of their choice.

I'm not even saying to end public schools, just force them to compete with private schools. That competition is the only way public schools will ever improve. Private schools will also improve by competing with each other, until America has the best education system in the world.

The only down side I can see is the danger of with this Government money, Government Bureaucrats and Teachers Unions getting a toe hold and destroying Private education the way they destroyed Public education.
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Even better.
 
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Bassman said:
So it's a wash. I'd rather not the states be held hostage by the Feds.
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It is only a wash if the state can raise its own, equally progressive, income taxes - that is not the case for many states (like Texas).
 
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Bassman said:
Not in my lifetime. That sci fi fantasy won't happen. There needs to be human control of vehicles.
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I wouldn't bet the ranch on that. The speed of technological change tends to increase. It took us thousands of years to learn to fly but once we did it only took 60 years to get to the moon.

Don't get me wrong I love to drive - I'm a muscle car kind of guy and driving - being one with the car - is a form of relaxation for me. I dread the idea of being taken out of the driving loop, of a Red Barchetta (Rush tune about a world where cars are outlawed) kind of world. But it's coming.
 
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Bassman said:
College, better known as the Communist indoctrination centers, .
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You started this thread, but obviously you have no intention of discussing it intelligently or like an adult.

Good night.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, with federal funds comes federal control. What sense does it make to use federal taxation just to give that money away?
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Well you could use it to redistribute educational funding to states that need it more.
 
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Bassman said:
Not in my lifetime. That sci fi fantasy won't happen. There needs to be human control of vehicles.
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How old are you? 75?

Chances are the first commercial autonomous trucks will do their first driverless trips in 15 years
 
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Carjosse said:
Well you could use it to redistribute educational funding to states that need it more.
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That is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It is most evident with student "loans" (quotes because they include provisions to avoid being paid back) - if state A spends more to subsidize college education than state B does then the "need" for a bigger student loan is greater in state B. It is also true in K12 education - if a state spends less per pupil then they get more of a federal subsidy. This redistribution process allows states (or cities) to cut taxes used for education (and to raise teacher and administrative pay?) since the resulting "shortfall" can (will?) be made up with federal funds.
 
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Bassman said:
You're missing the point. Abolish the Dept. of Education and not another cent goes to the Feds.
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I would like the see the Dept. of Education dissolved.
 
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Praxas said:
Of course you don't really care about education you care about religious indoctrination bASSman
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I didn't like this post because it was intelligent, because it wasn't. That's actually why I like it. :laughat:
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
That is part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It is most evident with student "loans" (quotes because they include provisions to avoid being paid back) - if state A spends more to subsidize college education than state B does then the "need" for a bigger student loan is greater in state B. It is also true in K12 education - if a state spends less per pupil then they get more of a federal subsidy. This redistribution process allows states (or cities) to cut taxes used for education (and to raise teacher and administrative pay?) since the resulting "shortfall" can (will?) be made up with federal funds.
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Then you adjust the equation, give it only to states that would have trouble raising that money. I would assume mainly poor Southern states, while states like Texas and those in the North-East would be asked to just raise taxes to a suitable level to pay for it. Like the equation used to distribute transfer payments in Canada, though hopefully much simpler.
 
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