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ecofarm said:
Can't buy irony like that.
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I'm sure Stephen Pinker will be disappointed by your disapproval.


  1. Pinker, S. (2007). Preface to What is your dangerous idea? Reprinted on Edge.org
    Excerpt: “it’s hard to imagine any aspect of public life where ignorance or delusion is better than an awareness of the truth, even an unpleasant one. Only children and madmen engage in “magical thinking,” the fallacy that good things can come true by believing in them or bad things will disappear by ignoring them or wishing them away. Rational adults want to know the truth, because any action based on false premises will not have the effects they desire. “
  2. Pinker, S. (2002). The blank slate: The modern denial of human nature. New York: Viking. [see especially chapter 6, on moralistic scientists]
  3. Shields, J. A. & Dunn Sr., J. M. (2016). Passing on the Right: Conservative Professors in the Progressive University. To be published in early 2016; Amazon pre-ordering available.
 


  1. What makes you think anyone reads any of the dumps you shamelessly misrepresent?

    Come up with an argument of your own. This is a debate website, not a file dump website.

    We're still waiting... one field, subject or issue... in your own words.
 
ecofarm said:
What makes you think anyone reads any of the dumps you shamelessly misrepresent?

Come up with an argument of your own. This is a debate website, not a file dump website.

We're still waiting... one field, subject or issue... in your own words.
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I have misrepresented nothing, and I posted the source material only because of your refusal to discuss the issue.
 
Jack Hays said:
I have misrepresented nothing, and I posted the source material only because of your refusal to discuss the issue.
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You've posted file dumps in an attempt to misrepresent them. You have no argument yourself, no position other than "learnin' bad".

And you will never come up with a field, subject or issue that you feel has been under-investigated by sociologists because that would mean revealing whatever ridiculous position you're apologizing for.
 
ecofarm said:
You've posted file dumps in an attempt to misrepresent them. You have no argument yourself, no position other than "learnin' bad".

And you will never come up with a field, subject or issue that you feel has been under-investigated by sociologists because that would mean revealing whatever ridiculous position you're apologizing for.
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I'm not apologizing for any position other than free inquiry and open debate.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not apologizing for any position other than free inquiry and open debate.
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This is a debate website, not a platitude website. Response rejected.

Field, subject or issue that is under-investigated, in your own words. We're waiting.
 
ecofarm said:
This is a debate website, not a platitude website. Response rejected.

Field, subject or issue that is under-investigated, in your own words. We're waiting.
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Sorry, but you're not in charge.

II) Psychology
A more comprehensive list can be found at at Best Practices in Science: Political Bias

  1. Duarte, J. L., Crawford, J. T., Stern, C., Haidt, J., Jussim, L., & Tetlock, P.E. (2015). Political diversity will improve social psychological science. Behavioral and Brain Sciences. doi: 10.1017/S0140525X14000430
  2. Tetlock, P. (1994). Political Psychology or Politicized Psychology: Is the Road to Scientific Hell Paved with Good Moral Intentions? Political Psychology. [ungated version]
  3. Tetlock, P. E. & Mitchell, G. (2015). Why so Few Conservatives and Should we Care?. doi: 10.1007/s12115-014-9850-6. This article is from a symposium in Society on Neil Gross’s Liberals and Conservatives in Academia
  4. Redding, R. E. (2001). Sociopolitical diversity in psychology: The case for pluralism. American Psychologist, 56(3), 205-215. [ungated]. See also: responses by Wester & Vogel (2002), Sampson (2002), Brand (2002)
  5. Inbar, Y., & Lammers, J. (2012). Political diversity in social and personality psychology. Perspectives on Psychological Science. doi: 10.1177/1745691612448792 [ungated]
  6. Jussim, Crawford, Anglin, & Stevens (2015). Ideological bias in social psychological research. In J. Forgas, K. Fiedler, & W. Crano (eds), Social Psychology and Politics. New York: Psychology Press.
  7. Jussim, Crawford, Stevens, & Anglin (in press). The politics of social psychological science: Distortions in the social psychology of intergroup relations. In P. Valdesolo and J. Graham (eds), Social Psychology of Political Polarization. New York: Psychology Press.
  8. Jussim, Crawford, Stevens, Anglin, & Duarte (in press). Can high moral purposes undermine scientific integrity? To appear in J. Forgas, P. van Lange, & L. Jussim (eds), The Sydney Symposium on the Social Psychology of Morality. New York: Psychology Press.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but you're not in charge.
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All the misrepresented file dumps in the world will not make your position look anything but asinine.

We're waiting...
 
Holy **** talk about the victim complex continuing.. :doh

What exactly is the problem trying to be solved here? The lacking of "political diversity."... What does that mean? Too many liburals? Is it that a lot of social scientists self identify as liberal or left leaning?

Ok... So how do you overcome that. Lets look at the "solutions" from 'Heterodox Academy'

"1. Formulate and adopt an anti-discrimination policy resolution."
---I thought the right wingers hate this kinda ****?--

"4. Conduct a study of barriers/obstacles that non-liberal students face within training programs, with the intent that these data subsequently be used in establishing formal suggestions for enabling the training of non-liberal students.
5. Each organization should develop strategies to encourage and support research training programs and research conferences to attract, retain, and graduate conservative and other non-liberal doctoral students and early career professionals. Examples might include dissertation awards, travel funds for presentations and attendance at conferences, and other financial support targeted to graduate students."
--The peak of the victim complex. Special consideration for themselves... Again I thought many right wingers hate this ****? --


"3. Expand organizational diversity statements to include politics."
--What does this mean? Teach more political ideologies? Ok, take a political ideology class, or a political/social philosophy class. I have! Learned everything from Locke to Marx---

"4. Add a statement to your own academic website acknowledging that you encourage collaboration among people of diverse political views."
--I can tell you this much... This exists at almost all academic institutions.--

"5. Eliminate pejorative terms referring to non-liberals; criticize others’ scholarship when they use those terms. As an editor or reviewer, do not permit such terms to pass without comment."
--What this PC bull****!?--

"6. Avoid “leakage” of political hostilities or presumptions (including jokes) when functioning in any teaching or research capacity, but especially around students and junior colleagues."
--Does this mean a professor cant crack a joke on Donald Trump?--

"7. Encourage young scholars who are not liberals to pursue careers in social psychology."
--Are they not?--

"9. Support adversarial collaborations that encourage competing ideological camps to explore the boundary conditions on each other’s claims, in joint data collection and model building efforts."
--Yea they do this. Just so happens when the conclusions of such studies dont match conservative calims, or preconditional thought do we here, "liberal academia!"...--

But in all seriousness.... This is just getting ridiculous. Are there more "left leaning" or "liberal" professors in academia? Yea. Is it a major problem where we have to begin to implement such policies? God no. No way.
An example from my personal experience. Went to a state university recently, actually just graduated in 2014. Major poli sci, and minor in history. In that time period I had both vocal left wing, liberal and conservative professors, there were more liberals than conservative, sure, but the vast vast vast vast vast majority of my professors did not express themselves to what is often cited in some right wing media sources... Most essentially went to work everyday, did their research, taught their class and left. Sure I had professors who would encourage debate, especially in political ideology courses. I would honestly hope they do, because debate is an essential part of politics and especially ideology. Challenging each others positions and worldview and questioning your own is key to academia. Hell in my History of American Political Thought class I remember the professor when he came in on the first day and handed out the syllabus. He was a well known liberal and head of the political science department at the university I attended. Essentially he came in and said, "this is a political thought class and the history of American political thought. In this class we will cover a wide range of American thinkers of all political stripes. From the basics of federalism, to american socialist ideology. From republicanism to modern day libertarianism. I also encourage you to discuss the readings in the open, and I (i meaning the professor) will often times voice my opinion, you dont have to agree with it and I dont have to agree with yours but its a discussion and thats what it is".

Essentially why I got from his speech was this: If you arent prepared to discuss and have your opinion challenged or disagreed with then either dont go to university or dont open your mouth.

But Im guessing you never heard of Chicago University, Liberty University, just about any religious university....
 
ecofarm said:
All the misrepresented file dumps in the world will not make your position look anything but asinine.

We're waiting...
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I have delayed this because I did not want to embarrass you, but your relentless bad manners (and refusal to read) have finally eroded even my prodigious generosity. Every linked publication is from a founding member of the Heterodox Academy. Thus, there is no question of misrepresentation.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Holy **** talk about the victim complex continuing.. :doh

What exactly is the problem trying to be solved here? The lacking of "political diversity."... What does that mean? Too many liburals? Is it that a lot of social scientists self identify as liberal or left leaning?

Ok... So how do you overcome that. Lets look at the "solutions" from 'Heterodox Academy'

"1. Formulate and adopt an anti-discrimination policy resolution."
---I thought the right wingers hate this kinda ****?--

"4. Conduct a study of barriers/obstacles that non-liberal students face within training programs, with the intent that these data subsequently be used in establishing formal suggestions for enabling the training of non-liberal students.
5. Each organization should develop strategies to encourage and support research training programs and research conferences to attract, retain, and graduate conservative and other non-liberal doctoral students and early career professionals. Examples might include dissertation awards, travel funds for presentations and attendance at conferences, and other financial support targeted to graduate students."
--The peak of the victim complex. Special consideration for themselves... Again I thought many right wingers hate this ****? --


"3. Expand organizational diversity statements to include politics."
--What does this mean? Teach more political ideologies? Ok, take a political ideology class, or a political/social philosophy class. I have! Learned everything from Locke to Marx---

"4. Add a statement to your own academic website acknowledging that you encourage collaboration among people of diverse political views."
--I can tell you this much... This exists at almost all academic institutions.--

"5. Eliminate pejorative terms referring to non-liberals; criticize others’ scholarship when they use those terms. As an editor or reviewer, do not permit such terms to pass without comment."
--What this PC bull****!?--

"6. Avoid “leakage” of political hostilities or presumptions (including jokes) when functioning in any teaching or research capacity, but especially around students and junior colleagues."
--Does this mean a professor cant crack a joke on Donald Trump?--

"7. Encourage young scholars who are not liberals to pursue careers in social psychology."
--Are they not?--

"9. Support adversarial collaborations that encourage competing ideological camps to explore the boundary conditions on each other’s claims, in joint data collection and model building efforts."
--Yea they do this. Just so happens when the conclusions of such studies dont match conservative calims, or preconditional thought do we here, "liberal academia!"...--

But in all seriousness.... This is just getting ridiculous. Are there more "left leaning" or "liberal" professors in academia? Yea. Is it a major problem where we have to begin to implement such policies? God no. No way. . . .

But Im guessing you never heard of Chicago University, Liberty University, just about any religious university....
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At HeterodoxAcademy, our contributors have documented the near absence of political diversity in many fields, and we have demonstrated the damaging effects that this homogeneity has on scholarship in those fields. We are not the first to do so. Scholars have been calling attention to this problem for decades… and nothing has been done.
This time will be different. We have come together to pool resources, analyze current trends in the academy, discuss possible solutions, and advocate for policies and systemic changes that will increase viewpoint diversity in the academy and therefore improve the quality of work that the academy makes available to the public, and to policymakers.
 
Jack Hays said:
Thus, there is no question of misrepresentation.
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Wrong. You use academics engaged in questioning their fields as an indictment on sociology itself. In fact, your dumps only demonstrate that social scientists are actively engaged in questioning their fields.

Now you run to the pathetic position of "I want inquiry", as if that's debatable. Spare us your platitudes and give us a debatable position. Tell us, in your own words, a field, subject or issue that you find has been neglected by academia. Of course, as noted earlier, you will never do that because it will expose whatever ridiculous beliefs you hold that are not supported by academia.

Copy/paste away and to you, sir, a good day.
 
ecofarm said:
Wrong. You use academics engaged in questioning their fields as an indictment on sociology itself. In fact, your dumps only demonstrate that social scientists are actively engaged in questioning their fields.

Now you run to the pathetic position of "I want inquiry", as if that's debatable. Spare us your platitudes and give us a debatable position. Tell us, in your own words, a field, subject or issue that you find has been neglected by academia. Of course, as noted earlier, you will never do that because it will expose whatever ridiculous beliefs you hold that are not supported by academia.

Copy/paste away and to you, sir, a good day.
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The "academics engaged in questioning their fields" are the founders of Heterodox Academy. QED.
 
Jack Hays said:
The "academics engaged in questioning their fields" are the founders of Heterodox Academy. QED.
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Laughable. Obviously, there are plenty of scientists engaged in examining their disciplines, some even as part of organizations devoted to such. The only QED here is you proving the discipline is healthy.

We're still waiting for the issue you believe has been neglected by sociologists...
 
Jack Hays said:
At HeterodoxAcademy, our contributors have documented the near absence of political diversity in many fields, and we have demonstrated the damaging effects that this homogeneity has on scholarship in those fields. We are not the first to do so. Scholars have been calling attention to this problem for decades… and nothing has been done.
This time will be different. We have come together to pool resources, analyze current trends in the academy, discuss possible solutions, and advocate for policies and systemic changes that will increase viewpoint diversity in the academy and therefore improve the quality of work that the academy makes available to the public, and to policymakers.
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This is a response to anything I just said how?
 
ecofarm said:
Laughable. Obviously, there are plenty of scientists engaged in examining their disciplines, some even as part of organizations devoted to such. The only QED here is you proving the discipline is healthy.

We're still waiting for the issue you believe has been neglected by sociologists...
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Just to be clear, every publication I have cited in this thread is authored by a founder of Heterodox Academy. They don't seem as defensive as you.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
This is a response to anything I just said how?
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Yes, it is. A comprehensive response, in fact. The organization is not notably right wing or focused on outcomes, but is rather concerned by the process and quality of academic work.
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, it is. A comprehensive response, in fact.
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"...as long as we can all count on the peer review process and a vigorous post-publication peer debate process, we can rest assured that most obvious errors and biases will get called out. Researchers who have different values, political identities, and intellectual presuppositions and who disagree with published findings will run other studies, obtain opposing results, and the field will gradually sort out the truth. Unless there is nobody out there who thinks differently"

Except there are people who "think differently" and they are a prime example....
 
Can I pause you guys a second so that I an refill my popcorn bowl?
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, it is. A comprehensive response, in fact. The organization is not notably right wing or focused on outcomes, but is rather concerned by the process and quality of academic work.
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A self description of their 'organization'.... :doh
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"...as long as we can all count on the peer review process and a vigorous post-publication peer debate process, we can rest assured that most obvious errors and biases will get called out. Researchers who have different values, political identities, and intellectual presuppositions and who disagree with published findings will run other studies, obtain opposing results, and the field will gradually sort out the truth. Unless there is nobody out there who thinks differently"

Except there are people who "think differently" and they are a prime example....
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You left some out.

. . . who thinks differently. Or unless the few such people shrink from speaking up because they expect anger in response, even ostracism. That is what sometimes happens when orthodox beliefs and “sacred” values are challenged.
 
Jack Hays said:
The point is that your long opening post missed the point.
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Nope. I just think you failed to read it.

I first asked a basic question about much of their rhetoric: 'What exactly is the problem trying to be solved here? The lacking of "political diversity."... What does that mean? Too many liburals? Is it that a lot of social scientists self identify as liberal or left leaning?'
--in which you failed to answer--

I then went into various of their "solutions" they list on their website, which can be found here: Solutions | HeterodoxAcademy.org

Here is when I addressed "the problem" and their "solutions to the problem": This is just getting ridiculous. Are there more "left leaning" or "liberal" professors in academia? Yea. Is it a major problem where we have to begin to implement such policies? God no. No way.

I then gave an example from my recent personal time in university...


So essentially what it was, is that you really had no response to someone diving into their website that was promoted, and dont really wanna debate their "solutions".
 
Jack Hays said:
You left some out.

. . . who thinks differently. Or unless the few such people shrink from speaking up because they expect anger in response, even ostracism. That is what sometimes happens when orthodox beliefs and “sacred” values are challenged.
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So wait... There are conservative professors and they are "afraid to speak up" :doh So they are either terrible academics, or just wimps and have no backbone.....
But I think here is a good time to bring up the point I made earlier (in which you ignored): Im guessing you never heard of Chicago University, Liberty University, just about any religious university....
Aslo, can you save me time and tell me if "viewpoint diversity" is code-word for conservative, or are you truly talking about viewpoint diversity of all kinds?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Nope. I just think you failed to read it.

I first asked a basic question about much of their rhetoric: 'What exactly is the problem trying to be solved here? The lacking of "political diversity."... What does that mean? Too many liburals? Is it that a lot of social scientists self identify as liberal or left leaning?'
--in which you failed to answer--

I then went into various of their "solutions" they list on their website, which can be found here: Solutions | HeterodoxAcademy.org

Here is when I addressed "the problem" and their "solutions to the problem": This is just getting ridiculous. Are there more "left leaning" or "liberal" professors in academia? Yea. Is it a major problem where we have to begin to implement such policies? God no. No way.

I then gave an example from my recent personal time in university...


So essentially what it was, is that you really had no response to someone diving into their website that was promoted, and dont really wanna debate their "solutions".
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Their point is that the lack of diversity is damaging to the quality of work and is self-reinforcing, again to the detriment of the work. Nor is the group uniformly right-leaning. The fact that they propose some solutions to get the discussion started is hardly a reason to conclude the problem they cite should not be addressed.
 
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