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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    C-section is major invasive surgery. Once again, we have someone without a uterus wanting to dictate to those of us with one what we can or cannot do with the contents of ours.
    Yep, don't you just "love it" when a guy, who will never have to worry about getting pregnant, insists that a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant should "just have the damn c-section?" What a prince.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atreus21 View Post
    Not every woman survives abortions either. Ask Kermit Gosnell.
    Yeah? Well, given the choice between having an abortion and suffering the health risks of pregnancy and birth, I would have chosen abortion. Especially since I never wanted kids in the first place, and I'm very glad that I never got pregnant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanBlues1 View Post
    Yeah? Well, given the choice between having an abortion and suffering the health risks of pregnancy and birth, I would have chosen abortion. Especially since I never wanted kids in the first place, and I'm very glad that I never got pregnant.
    Fine, but as long as we're going to grossly inflate the lethality of medical procedures like C-sections, then I don't see why abortions are exempt from the same criticism.

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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Warfield View Post
    Well, the premise of this was badly written and rather stupid. Tell you what, I'll ignore that you used incorrect terms and are ignoring basic biology and social sciences, but I'll take a couple whacks at this mole.

    As dictator, I would allow abortions to be legal as long as (and I believe someone listed this before) ALL relevant information for family planning is presented and available. Further, contraception would be free and under the universal healthcare system that I would set up, abortions will be available. While I would allow freedom of religion, anyone firebombing clinics, vandalizing, attacking/killing patients and abortion doctors in the name of whatever religion would serve pretty stiff jail sentences. And since I am dictator, i will have total veto power over any law that tries to limit or outlaw abortions.

    Now, let's go in the other direction.

    As dictator, I would allow abortions for medical, rape or instances of incest. If I decided that at 8 months, unless a medical emergency, there can be no abortions, then as dictator I will require a portion of taxpayer money to go towards making sure the child has proper shelter, food, clothing, care and education. If we, and I, demand the child be born, then we will ALL help in raising if need be...even if you as a citizen doesn't have a child, your taxes will go to the care of the children anyway.
    Okay, so assuming the mother had all information relevant to family planning, had free contraception, benefited from UHC, wasn't raped or subjected to incest, and had taxpayer-funded support of her children (even though I said in the hypothetical this wasn't necessary - she's well-off financially and has a stable husband and extended family), and yet wanted the abortion, would you allow it?

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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Atreus21 View Post
    Okay, so assuming the mother had all information relevant to family planning, had free contraception, benefited from UHC, wasn't raped or subjected to incest, and had taxpayer-funded support of her children (even though I said in the hypothetical this wasn't necessary - she's well-off financially and has a stable husband and extended family), and yet wanted the abortion, would you allow it?
    Yes, because it is impossible to draw a clear line.
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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Atreus21 View Post
    Not every woman survives abortions either. Ask Kermit Gosnell.
    Legal abortion is far safer than childbirth.

    The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States - PubMed

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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by OceanBlues1 View Post
    Yep, don't you just "love it" when a guy, who will never have to worry about getting pregnant, insists that a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant should "just have the damn c-section?" What a prince.
    Exactly. And then they get pissy about it! It's so easy to promote something when you know it will never happen to you.

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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Atreus21 View Post
    Fine, but as long as we're going to grossly inflate the lethality of medical procedures like C-sections, then I don't see why abortions are exempt from the same criticism.
    Nobody "grossly" inflated the lethality of anything.

    Legal abortion is safer than colonoscopy. You’re 40 Times More Likely To Die From A Colonoscopy Than From An Abortion – ThinkProgress

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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Nobody "grossly" inflated the lethality of anything.

    Legal abortion is safer than colonoscopy. You’re 40 Times More Likely To Die From A Colonoscopy Than From An Abortion – ThinkProgress
    I do note that the article only addresses 1st trimester abortions. Do you have something that shows that 2nd trimester abortions are the same, more or less risk, compared to 1st and to the other procedures listed in the article.



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    Re: Hypothetical question

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    C-section is major invasive surgery.

    Once again, we have someone without a uterus wanting to dictate to those of us with one what we can or cannot do with the contents of ours.
    Isn't an abortion that late in development a risky procedure? There's really no reason to have an abortion or any sort of procedure that late in the baby's development unless there are serious complications. If there are none then just wait a few weeks and have the baby. Keep in mind that for the most part I'm pro-choice too, but getting an abortion after 8 months of development for no medical reason at all? That's just ridiculous.

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