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A civil debate on the abortion issue

Highlanders said:
Exactly who says that the foetus haven't a right..... only those who are guilty of the crime, only those who need to stop the nightmares... I have respect for women, I only have pity for you and you're like minded individuals. I do not believe you understand any laws, but your own home made ones!. But you have to live with your own actions.
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And still you are unable to answer: who says, what authority, that the unborn have a right to live?

Your typed contortions prove that you cannot answer honestly.

The born are valued more than the unborn by any rational being. And you have no authority to back up anything else.

(And no, it's not possible to value both equally. Not legally, not morally. You have presented no argument for either anyway *snicker*)

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
And still you are unable to answer: who says, what authority, that the unborn have a right to live?

Your typed contortions prove that you cannot answer honestly.

The born are valued more than the unborn by any rational being. And you have no authority to back up anything else.

(And no, it's not possible to value both equally. Not legally, not morally. You have presented no argument for either anyway *snicker*)
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Is it dark up there.....
 
Highlanders said:
Is it dark up there.....
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And still you are unable to answer: who says, what authority, that the unborn have a right to live?

Your typed contortions prove that you cannot answer honestly.

The born are valued more than the unborn by any rational being. And you have no authority to back up anything else.

(And no, it's not possible to value both equally. Not legally, not morally. You have presented no argument for either anyway *snicker*)


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
So you complained about having to pay for women's birth control and abortions...and now deny it.

Where is the end to your lies?

I don't look to you for anything. You seem despicable and hate filled and of no denomination I'd ever want to be a part of. And happily, I know you have no such control over me or other women.

And you have nothing but lies in a debate. Makes you pretty weak and useless at debating.
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Highlander only cares about always hating and lying to people if his forum behavior is what her does in real life. He does not want to debate anybody about anything. If I was a DP moderator, he would have already have his account suspended.
 
Lursa said:
So? In case you havent noticed, no one (currently) will use their religious views in an argument. Because they know that for America, they cannot.

So they try other BS, like 'science'. Which also fails.

But I take whatever argument they bring...science, morality, legal, and argue that.

I know very well that many (probably most) pro-life men AND women base their arguments on their religion, but they know that fails. Look at what Angel a attempted, and failed, to do? The extreme and foolish lengths to 'work around' his true stance which is based on his religious views. So he spends all his time trying prove God and that morality is objective and yada yada yada.

So I continue to try to bring the argument around to reality..."how" can they actually end abortion? They have to make an argument that's not based on religion. :shrug: It's fascinating to see the typed convolutions they go thru, while not allowing themselves to recognize God.
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No one directly uses religious views in arguments. But still the basis of their arguments come from a religious point of view. Using poor old angel as an example again . Desperate to claim that religion had nothing to do with his view on abortion but in the end admits that his use of value is based on ID.

And it is laughable to say america is secular. It does not even try to be.

Highlander on the other hand does not understand how america works. His country has westminster style politics which is not even closely comparable to what america has with being a republic. Like i said to him, that unless he happens to be quite wealthy then his claim of having six kids means he has been a beneficiary of the welfare system. And the welfare system their as is mine gives women real choice on whether to have a child or abort. Where as your country has a pitiful welfare system and even more pitiful understanding of welfare. A woman in america especially ones who are not wealthy have no real choices.
 
Why can't everyone whose flag does not have 50 stars and 13 stripes understand every developed nation has different tax codes, health care, and welfare systems? If they did, debating abortion in a civil manner would be much easier.
 
soylentgreen said:
No one directly uses religious views in arguments. But still the basis of their arguments come from a religious point of view. Using poor old angel as an example again . Desperate to claim that religion had nothing to do with his view on abortion but in the end admits that his use of value is based on ID.
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That's what I wrote.

And it is laughable to say america is secular. It does not even try to be.
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The law is.

Highlander on the other hand does not understand how america works. His country has westminster style politics which is not even closely comparable to what america has with being a republic. Like i said to him, that unless he happens to be quite wealthy then his claim of having six kids means he has been a beneficiary of the welfare system. And the welfare system their as is mine gives women real choice on whether to have a child or abort. Where as your country has a pitiful welfare system and even more pitiful understanding of welfare. A woman in america especially ones who are not wealthy have no real choices.
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How America works doesnt affect his opinions/beliefs on the issue at all. It just gives him another means to bob and weave without ever providing a single rational argument on the issue.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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soylentgreen said:
No one directly uses religious views in arguments. But still the basis of their arguments come from a religious point of view. Using poor old angel as an example again . Desperate to claim that religion had nothing to do with his view on abortion but in the end admits that his use of value is based on ID.

And it is laughable to say america is secular. It does not even try to be.

Highlander on the other hand does not understand how america works. His country has westminster style politics which is not even closely comparable to what america has with being a republic. Like i said to him, that unless he happens to be quite wealthy then his claim of having six kids means he has been a beneficiary of the welfare system. And the welfare system their as is mine gives women real choice on whether to have a child or abort. Where as your country has a pitiful welfare system and even more pitiful understanding of welfare. A woman in america especially ones who are not wealthy have no real choices.
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1. I understand exactly how America works, **** on the one in front!
2. Our Westminster politics are the same as yours corrupt to the core. But we have options, unlike you!
3. I have always worked for myself, and have never needed a hand out from anyone. I'm not a team player, I have never been a sheep! I believe everyone should stand on there own feet! But we all are not that lucky. Hence your humanity comes to the fore!
4. You have choices, **** on the person in front or don't **** on the person in front, that's your choice! I.e humanity!
5. I'm not here to listen to pitiful excuses to butcher a child, because if you read back the excuses used, you too will see pitiful excuses, which I've tried to highlight.
 
Lursa said:
That's what I wrote.
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Good then we agree.


The law is.
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That's amusing. I do know your a pro gun person. I am not sure if you are one of those. "from my cold dead hand" types of pro gun people. It truly is laughable to say "the law is " In a country where many are quite happy to shoot you if they don't agree if a law becomes, let alone a law is.


How America works doesnt affect his opinions/beliefs on the issue at all. It just gives him another means to bob and weave without ever providing a single rational argument on the issue.
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I have no interest in supporting his rants. Just giving a perspective you might not consider. If he had tried having six kids in america with your welfare system i have no doubt abortion would have been a considered option at least by his wife if not him. He has welfare support that you would not. And that sort of thing really does make a difference when we consider the word "choice".
 
Highlanders said:
1. I understand exactly how America works, **** on the one in front!
2. Our Westminster politics are the same as yours corrupt to the core. But we have options, unlike you!
3. I have always worked for myself, and have never needed a hand out from anyone. I'm not a team player, I have never been a sheep! I believe everyone should stand on there own feet! But we all are not that lucky. Hence your humanity comes to the fore!
4. You have choices, **** on the person in front or don't **** on the person in front, that's your choice! I.e humanity!
5. I'm not here to listen to pitiful excuses to butcher a child, because if you read back the excuses used, you too will see pitiful excuses, which I've tried to highlight.
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No you don't. If you did you would not be using words like "butcher" or "murder."

I am from nz so no, not corrupt to the core. But if your referring to america then yes. And that is the point. You have options that give you choices much more than americans do.

Did you send all your kids to a private school and pay all those fees or did you take advantage of the public education system. Scotland has a universal health system or do you use expensive private insurance systems like the americans do. And that's just two of the areas where a good welfare system in your country which americans do not have.

And no, you have not highlighted excuses. All you are doing is demonstrating the same kind of callous disregard for anything but your own opinion. In that sense your the same as the american pro lifers,
 
I guarantee the only reason Highlander posted in this thread at all was to troll it. IGNORE HIM. If he was really interested in a civil debate, he obviously would never say anything evil about anyone or make emotional rants, hoping to be the center of attention.
 
Okay, I don’t understand how America works so this might look as a strange post . We are also not catholic or orthodox but protestants in Sweden which makes me highly disqualified to put this into a religious concept:


When discussing abortion and you want a nuanced discussion, you also need to discuss;

1. Sex education for adolescents.
Do you even have it? (A young girl that never been spoken to about sex is an accident waiting to happen, saying ”you shouldn’t” doesn’t cut it ) Same goes for boys, but maybe they are not hold responsible ( obligation to support the kid until the age of 18) in US? It is also a question for diseases. AND it is a question on how comfortable a young girl or boy is in bringing forward a condom when it is needed.
Youths possibilities to get contraceptive with AND without their parents knowledge. Is it only boys who can do that(condoms) and girls are left in the dark or to the boys sense of responsibility? Homeschooling , what effect does that have on young peoples education? I mean you can teach them that kids falls down from from heaven for all I know.

2. Abortion when the fetus has abnormalities (please note that these abortion are often made much later than abortions due to undesirable pregnancies since the methods for checking abnormalities can’t be made to early.

3. Abortion under other special circumstances (rape?)

4. Is early abortion okay but later ones should be stopped?
Until week 8 it is not a fetus but a Embryo. From the tenth week of pregnancy, nerve cells begin to form at a rapid rate, 200,000 per minute. Thats when the brain starts to develope.
 
I need to add : In Sweden the father is obliged to support his kid until the age of 18. If he hasn't got shared custody for the child, as soon as he starts to make money an amount will be drawn directly from his paycheck if he doesn’t pay it himself. It is a % of his income.

Without that either already in place in your country or is being advocated from the same man who speaks against abortion (using religious or other arguments) is nothing but oppression since they already have renounced al responsibility for the fetus.
 
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Juks said:
Okay, I don’t understand how America works so this might look as a strange post . We are also not catholic or orthodox but protestants in Sweden which makes me highly disqualified to put this into a religious concept:


When discussing abortion and you want a nuanced discussion, you also need to discuss;

1. Sex education for adolescents.
Do you even have it? (A young girl that never been spoken to about sex is an accident waiting to happen, saying ”you shouldn’t” doesn’t cut it ) Same goes for boys, but maybe they are not hold responsible ( obligation to support the kid until the age of 18) in US? It is also a question for diseases. AND it is a question on how comfortable a young girl or boy is in bringing forward a condom when it is needed.
Youths possibilities to get contraceptive with AND without their parents knowledge. Is it only boys who can do that(condoms) and girls are left in the dark or to the boys sense of responsibility? Homeschooling , what effect does that have on young peoples education? I mean you can teach them that kids falls down from from heaven for all I know.

2. Abortion when the fetus has abnormalities (please note that these abortion are often made much later than abortions due to undesirable pregnancies since the methods for checking abnormalities can’t be made to early.

3. Abortion under other special circumstances (rape?)

4. Is early abortion okay but later ones should be stopped?
Until week 8 it is not a fetus but a Embryo. From the tenth week of pregnancy, nerve cells begin to form at a rapid rate, 200,000 per minute. Thats when the brain starts to develope.
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You have left so much out.

America doers not have a universal health care system. Parents actually have to pay to have child instead of receiving free medical and midwife assistance. Making it more dangerous for women to be pregnant. Which is why they have higher death rates especially among the poor.

They make abortion difficult to obtain, deliberately.

Unless poor they make women pay for an abortion.

They provide little in the way of welfare support and for single mothers actually force them to find employment. The idea that parenting is employment in itself is completely lost there.
 
soylentgreen said:
You have left so much out.

America doers not have a universal health care system. Parents actually have to pay to have child instead of receiving free medical and midwife assistance. Making it more dangerous for women to be pregnant. Which is why they have higher death rates especially among the poor.

They make abortion difficult to obtain, deliberately.

Unless poor they make women pay for an abortion.

They provide little in the way of welfare support and for single mothers actually force them to find employment. The idea that parenting is employment in itself is completely lost there.
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You are absolutly right. These questions can make abortion into the only option.
 
soylentgreen said:
No you don't. If you did you would not be using words like "butcher" or "murder."

I am from nz so no, not corrupt to the core. But if your referring to america then yes. And that is the point. You have options that give you choices much more than americans do.

Did you send all your kids to a private school and pay all those fees or did you take advantage of the public education system. Scotland has a universal health system or do you use expensive private insurance systems like the americans do. And that's just two of the areas where a good welfare system in your country which americans do not have.

And no, you have not highlighted excuses. All you are doing is demonstrating the same kind of callous disregard for anything but your own opinion. In that sense your the same as the american pro lifers,
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With the greatest respect, I'm not going to become a hypocrite to ease someone's guilty conscious.
Why on earth would I send my children to private school? Every private school, Gordonstoun, Fettes, even Fort Augustus the friars are still being prosecuted for their perverted behaviours against children. But tutors for music, maths, English, geometry etc...instruments etc, university accommodation, aye that was paid for, by us! What ever was required, that's a parent job! Not that you would think so listening to some of these targers.
Take advantage....of public education..., scraping to bottom of the barrel, are we? We pay for education, we pay for hospital and doctors, be we don't allow any to hold humanity to ransom! Pigs don't rule here....yet! We have options, because previous generations died to give us these options! Time you recognised, that also your prerogative as well!
If, I killed you, I'd be held to account, I'd be jailed, I'd be allowed out under licence after my term of imprisonment was completed!
If you aborted a child, you would not be held to account, you would inform everyone how important your social conscious is, your standing in the church.... how important it was that the foetus cells were donated for cosmetic injection, so doctors can make profits from your murdered pound of flesh, that to me is butchery, if you don't like it...don't do it!
 
Blue Donkey said:
I guarantee the only reason Highlander posted in this thread at all was to troll it. IGNORE HIM. If he was really interested in a civil debate, he obviously would never say anything evil about anyone or make emotional rants, hoping to be the center of attention.
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Perhaps that might be that standards you were brought up on.... I was never taught to scrape the bottom of the barrel. My parents taught all my four sisters and brother moral rectitude, honesty, integrity, honour.....humanity, dare I say it with you lot or targers, love!
You lady, can guarantee nothing, I wasn't brought up in a sewer!
Ooh... and since when has truth....become evil? Goodness me...there is nothing like self deceit!
If you don't want truth, what the hell are you trying to do debating with someone who is totally opposed to your thinking?
 
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Highlanders said:
With the greatest respect, I'm not going to become a hypocrite to ease someone's guilty conscious.
Why on earth would I send my children to private school? Every private school, Gordonstoun, Fettes, even Fort Augustus the friars are still being prosecuted for their perverted behaviours against children. But tutors for music, maths, English, geometry etc...instruments etc, university accommodation, aye that was paid for, by us! What ever was required, that's a parent job! Not that you would think so listening to some of these targers.
Take advantage....of public education..., scraping to bottom of the barrel, are we? We pay for education, we pay for hospital and doctors, be we don't allow any to hold humanity to ransom! Pigs don't rule here....yet! We have options, because previous generations died to give us these options! Time you recognised, that also your prerogative as well!
If, I killed you, I'd be held to account, I'd be jailed, I'd be allowed out under licence after my term of imprisonment was completed!
If you aborted a child, you would not be held to account, you would inform everyone how important your social conscious is, your standing in the church.... how important it was that the foetus cells were donated for cosmetic injection, so doctors can make profits from your murdered pound of flesh, that to me is butchery, if you don't like it...don't do it!
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No, it is not scraping the bottom of the barrel. these are things that should be provided. Otherwise you will end up like america with an ever widening gap between the rich and poor.

I am having to agree with the others here. This is just a mindless rant rather than any objective reasoned view for stopping abortions. Fetal cell research in england is regulated if they use fetal cells then only those created in vitro. So no, you cannot blame abortion for that.

Regulating the collection and use of fetal stem cells

s. However, the HFEA regulates only the use of embryos created in vitro. It has no jurisdiction over the use of aborted fetuses,
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soylentgreen said:
No, it is not scraping the bottom of the barrel. these are things that should be provided. Otherwise you will end up like america with an ever widening gap between the rich and poor.

I am having to agree with the others here. This is just a mindless rant rather than any objective reasoned view for stopping abortions. Fetal cell research in england is regulated if they use fetal cells then only those created in vitro. So no, you cannot blame abortion for that.

Regulating the collection and use of fetal stem cells
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Goodness me, in my heart of hearts, I know, and you know the difference between right and wrong! I do not need to be given a piece of paper by some reprobate to tell me, what's what! Nor do I hide behind it!
I'm not a sheep, not do I need a feeble or febrile excuse!
Do you know if you have a flu injection, it can contain, mercury, foetus cells and dog cells....but you're not told this, even though, legislation states any invasive treatments must be full explained to the patient so the patient can make an informed decision! Waste of bloody time with you lot, because you see, you hear, only what you want to see and hear! Or hide behind!
For $10,000.00 a month, every month, you can buy foetus cells, from the cosmetic industry, in injection form, so you can stay looking young, how absolutely disgusting, this is akin to cannibalism! Which you lot are in cahoots. Never mind the abhorrent behaviour required to murder a baby! At least one of the targers stated so, but that was pique at me, she let slip! Up until then.... it wasn't a baby, convenient to present, it's a mothers love, hypocrisy!
A rant, of course it's a rant, I find your logic flawed, I find your behaviour abhorrent, I find your dismissal of the existence of a child, brutal to say the least. If that's a rant, if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I thank my God for that privilege!
Please to make clear, I said you were scraping to bottom of the barrel in your wording regarding welfare education NHS etc. I ask for nothing for free, I do ask for humanity for others, something over your head!
For your information we pay more than 50% all told in taxes to ensure our nation is educated and treated by doctors free at the point of need, but we don't condone, the standing on the neck of the person in front of us, as these are traits only animals should exhibit. Traits Americans find acceptable for them and there families and neighbours! I let them, judge themselves.
You come from NZ, a woman, with a vested interest in treachery and butchery, because you condone these actions, the selling of organs, of cells, of bodies, of a foetus ....... it's not an ice cream, it was a living human being, with organs, that makes profits for a vile few, who you allow to butcher on your behalf your child! I can only call this, disgusting, warranting a rant.. Hear...it had organs...it had a heart, to be liquidised and pumped into a rich individual so they might live longer! At least stay with the facts!
 
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Highlanders said:
Goodness me, in my heart of hearts, I know, and you know the difference between right and wrong! I do not need to be given a piece of paper by some reprobate to tell me, what's what! Nor do I hide behind it!
I'm not a sheep, not do I need a feeble or febrile excuse!
Do you know if you have a flu injection, it can contain, mercury, foetus cells and dog cells....but you're not told this, even though, legislation states any invasive treatments must be full explained to the patient so the patient can make an informed decision! Waste of bloody time with you lot, because you see, you hear, only what you want to see and hear! Or hide behind!
For $10,000.00 a month, every month, you can buy foetus cells, from the cosmetic industry, in injection form, so you can stay looking young, how absolutely disgusting, this is akin to cannibalism! Which you lot are in cahoots. Never mind the abhorrent behaviour required to murder a baby! At least one of the targers stated so, but that was pique at me, she let slip! Up until then.... it wasn't a baby, convenient to present, it's a mothers love, hypocrisy!
A rant, of course it's a rant, I find your logic flawed, I find your behaviour abhorrent, I find your dismissal of the existence of a child, brutal to say the least. If that's a rant, if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I thank my God for that privilege!
Please to make clear, I said you were scraping to bottom of the barrel in your wording regarding welfare education NHS etc. I ask for nothing for free, I do ask for humanity for others, something over your head!
For your information we pay more than 50% all told in taxes to ensure our nation is educated and treated by doctors free at the point of need, but we don't condone, the standing on the neck of the person in front of us, as these are traits only animals should exhibit. Traits Americans find acceptable for them and there families and neighbours! I let them, judge themselves.
You come from NZ, a woman, with a vested interest in treachery and butchery, because you condone these actions, the selling of organs, of cells, of bodies, of a foetus ....... it's not an ice cream, it was a living human being, with organs, that makes profits for a vile few, who you allow to butcher on your behalf your child! I can only call this, disgusting, warranting a rant.. Hear...it had organs...it had a heart, to be liquidised and pumped into a rich individual so they might live longer! At least stay with the facts!
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Most of this word salad is unreadable.

Do you know if you have a flu injection, it can contain, mercury, foetus cells and dog cells
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What Aborted Fetuses Have to Do With Vaccines - ABC News - nothing in there about flu vaccines.



Do flu vaccines contain thimerosal?
Flu vaccines in multi-dose vials contain thimerosal to safeguard against contamination of the vial. Most single-dose vials and pre-filled syringes of flu shot and the nasal spray flu vaccine do not contain a preservative because they are intended to be used once.

A list of available flu vaccines and their thimerosal content is available.

Why are preservatives sometimes used in vaccines?
Preservatives are used to protect vaccines packaged in multi-dose vials. Each time a vaccine dose is drawn from a multi-dose vial, bacteria or fungi can enter the vial. Receiving a vaccine contaminated with bacteria or fungi can be dangerous. Preservatives are needed to prevent contamination of multi-dose vials each time individual doses are drawn.

Thimerosal use in vaccines and other medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.
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Thimerosal in Flu Vaccine | CDC

Cell-Based Flu Vaccines | CDC. - explains why cells are used in the flu vaccine. If you eat meat, I don't know why you'd have a problem w/ mammalian cells being used.
 
Highlanders said:
Goodness me, in my heart of hearts, I know, and you know the difference between right and wrong! I do not need to be given a piece of paper by some reprobate to tell me, what's what! Nor do I hide behind it!
I'm not a sheep, not do I need a feeble or febrile excuse!
Do you know if you have a flu injection, it can contain, mercury, foetus cells and dog cells....but you're not told this, even though, legislation states any invasive treatments must be full explained to the patient so the patient can make an informed decision! Waste of bloody time with you lot, because you see, you hear, only what you want to see and hear! Or hide behind!
For $10,000.00 a month, every month, you can buy foetus cells, from the cosmetic industry, in injection form, so you can stay looking young, how absolutely disgusting, this is akin to cannibalism! Which you lot are in cahoots. Never mind the abhorrent behaviour required to murder a baby! At least one of the targers stated so, but that was pique at me, she let slip! Up until then.... it wasn't a baby, convenient to present, it's a mothers love, hypocrisy!
A rant, of course it's a rant, I find your logic flawed, I find your behaviour abhorrent, I find your dismissal of the existence of a child, brutal to say the least. If that's a rant, if that makes me wrong in your eyes, I thank my God for that privilege!
Please to make clear, I said you were scraping to bottom of the barrel in your wording regarding welfare education NHS etc. I ask for nothing for free, I do ask for humanity for others, something over your head!
For your information we pay more than 50% all told in taxes to ensure our nation is educated and treated by doctors free at the point of need, but we don't condone, the standing on the neck of the person in front of us, as these are traits only animals should exhibit. Traits Americans find acceptable for them and there families and neighbours! I let them, judge themselves.
You come from NZ, a woman, with a vested interest in treachery and butchery, because you condone these actions, the selling of organs, of cells, of bodies, of a foetus ....... it's not an ice cream, it was a living human being, with organs, that makes profits for a vile few, who you allow to butcher on your behalf your child! I can only call this, disgusting, warranting a rant.. Hear...it had organs...it had a heart, to be liquidised and pumped into a rich individual so they might live longer! At least stay with the facts!
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It is not the child i dismiss it is your rant that i dismiss. It is based on nothing more than poorly thought out conspiracy theories and lies told by the pro life group.

Had you even tried for a sensible reasoned argument that would be something. The above is nothing.
 
Free Thinker said:
And that's a wrap folks, can't have a rational discussion with someone who denies life.

Carry on.
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Blue Dnkey did not deny life. She pointed out that a fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is living. A fetus is human. Just not a person,

I have never thought of my fetus being an actual "baby"

Baby, to me means a born person.

I told people "I am going to have a baby" (future tense)

I guess I would ask you...how old is the "baby" in the picture?

3 month fetus.jpg

I respect that you believe it is a baby, just know it is not the terminology many people use.

It dose not mean that the person does not accept that the fetus is living. Of course it is.
 
soylentgreen said:
It is not the child i dismiss it is your rant that i dismiss. It is based on nothing more than poorly thought out conspiracy theories and lies told by the pro life group.

Had you even tried for a sensible reasoned argument that would be something. The above is nothing.
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It's based on your biased dogma, factual information, readily available for those that don't stick there heads in the sewer!
If the cap fits, wear it!
 
Scrabaholic said:
Most of this word salad is unreadable.
What Aborted Fetuses Have to Do With Vaccines - ABC News - nothing in there about flu vaccines
Thimerosal in Flu Vaccine | CDC

Cell-Based Flu Vaccines | CDC. - explains why cells are used in the flu vaccine. If you eat meat, I don't know why you'd have a problem w/ mammalian cells being used.
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Are you for real?

I do not mind eating steaks or meat of any variety, but I under no circumstances intend to inject them into my body!
I read in instructions they have canine cells in the flu jab they offered me! It may be profitable for the drug company, but as they have no liability to possible detrimental after effects, you go on and take it, you seem to wallow in the same company!
You might be daft enough to to accept, "possible" benefits, I wouldn't trust Americans with a dummy!
But as for your mentality, of putting your aborted foetus cells into my body, honestly, I'm disgusted for you on you're behalf. I was wondering, are these your mothering instincts? If this is your definition and demonstration of love, you are an example of your nation. Sick, rotten and institutional taught corruption.
You do realise you have the god given right to free thought, you can reach for the sky, instead of reaching to get into a sewer with rats!
 
year2late said:
Blue Dnkey did not deny life. She pointed out that a fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is living. A fetus is human. Just not a person,

I have never thought of my fetus being an actual "baby"

Baby, to me means a born person.

I told people "I am going to have a baby" (future tense)

I guess I would ask you...how old is the "baby" in the picture?

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I respect that you believe it is a baby, just know it is not the terminology many people use.

It dose not mean that the person does not accept that the fetus is living. Of course it is.
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The terminology used by feminists is used to deflect from the facts, it's not a cup, it's not a flower, it is a stage of a babies life! It has a brain and heart at twenty two days, without that stage you would never be a viable human being.
The exact same stage you and I went through!
Your now an adult, but still your parents baby.
So less of the wishy washy hypocrisy, face the facts, an abortion, is the murder of a child! You might want to give it another name, put on rose tinted glasses, but the fact is, that's only to allow yourself to be able to sleep!

Nothing more, nothing less!
 
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