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Conservative refuse to admit these facts are true

weaver2 said:
Why do you think you have some sort of special right to dictate to families you know nothing about how they should manage pregnancies, child bearing, number of children and birthing?

None of what was posted is opinion. Those are facts. 95% of women say abortion was the right thing for them to have done. Anti=abortion women get just as many abortions as all other women. The women who get abortions are responsible women. The reasons women get abortions are sensible, rational and are the best for the families.

Which one of those facts do you want to say is wrong? Every fact is backed up by honest, reliable, reviewed, well run studies.

You believe abortion is killing babies and is wrong. Believe what you like, you still don't get to tell families how to run their lives.

You want to manage families, manage your own anti-abortion women and stop them from getting abortions. After you've gotten all of them to stop then you can start on families you don't know.
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He's one of the ones that believes, thru the Catholic cult, that God intends that only married couples should ever have sex and if they cannot care for a child or another child, they should not have sex. Sex's only purpose is to breed. To breed more minions to put $$ in the Sunday collection plates.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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weaver2 said:
I know I'm tilting at windmills and no anti-abortion advocate will change their mind but it's important to keep telling the truth even if it doesn't penetrate the anti-abortion mind.
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Definitely agree.
 
weaver2 said:
Those are not testimonials and opinions. They are statement of facts. Read the links below. They are research papers, statistics, they are peer reviewed before they are published.

I'm curious what do you think is not true or is just some random opinion off of a comments site?
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o·pin·ion
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Definition of opinion.

A fact is something that is irrefutable, quantifiable. Those women FEEL that what they did was the correct thing, but they can no more prove it than pro lifers can prove the existence of a soul.

2+2=4 is a fact.
Water is 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atom, is a fact.


Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Killing babies is wrong. So none of that opinion pulling information for statistics is at all relevant.
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Killing babies is a necessary and vital public service that has been done for over 1,000 years.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Forget it, the only thing that matters to conservatives is controlling women and birth... after that you can forget the pro-life bit.
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I am conservative and strongly pro choice. In a civilised country - call it 'Sweden' if you like - safe abortion is available to all women, free. So away with your ignorant and silly generalisations.
 
Sweden said:
I am conservative and strongly pro choice. In a civilised country - call it 'Sweden' if you like - safe abortion is available to all women, free. So away with your ignorant and silly generalisations.
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The US hardly qualifies as being compared to Sweden, in this subject or many others.

In the US my original post in this thread holds true, the overwhelming majority of 'social conservatives' are pro-birth... that is about it.
 
KevinKohler said:
o·pin·ion
/əˈpinyən/
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noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"
Similar:
belief
judgment
thought(s)
school of thought
thinking
way of thinking
mind
point of view
view
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position
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theory
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thesis
hypothesis
feeling
sentiment
impression
reflections
idea
notion
assumption
speculation
conception
conviction
contention
persuasion
creed
dogma
the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing.
"the changing climate of opinion"
an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something.
"I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved"


Definition of opinion.

A fact is something that is irrefutable, quantifiable. Those women FEEL that what they did was the correct thing, but they can no more prove it than pro lifers can prove the existence of a soul.

2+2=4 is a fact.
Water is 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen atom, is a fact.


Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion?
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It is a FACT that many children believe in the tooth fairy. This is NOT the same as saying that the tooth fairy exists.

It is a FACT that most women who have had an abortion think they did the right thing. This is NOT the same as saying that they are correct to do so.

Imo you are not the right person to arrogantly lecture the rest of us on the meaning of language - merely a dimwit with a key board.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The US hardly qualifies as being compared to Sweden, in this subject or many others.

In the US my original post in this thread holds true, the overwhelming majority of 'social conservatives' are pro-birth... that is about it.
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I'm so sorry - I forgot for a moment that Americans do not know that a world exists outside the boarders of the USA. Not so much 'isolationism' as 'blind ignorance'.
 
Sweden said:
I'm so sorry - I forgot for a moment that Americans do not know that a world exists outside the boarders of the USA. Not so much 'isolationism' as 'blind ignorance'.
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That is not what I said or intended at all, enjoy your useless rant as it has nothing to do with the subject of the OP.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Forget it, the only thing that matters to conservatives is controlling women and birth... after that you can forget the pro-life bit.
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Or just pro-fetus, nothing more really.
 
Sweden said:
It is a FACT that many children believe in the tooth fairy. This is NOT the same as saying that the tooth fairy exists.

It is a FACT that most women who have had an abortion think they did the right thing. This is NOT the same as saying that they are correct to do so.

Imo you are not the right person to arrogantly lecture the rest of us on the meaning of language - merely a dimwit with a key board.
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Their belief =/= fact.

Thread title is "conservative refuse to believe these facts are true"

So yes, its a FACT that these women believe they made the right choice...it is NOT a fact that they made the right choice.

Leave the name calling behind you, it makes you sound juvenile.
 
Sweden said:
I am conservative and strongly pro choice. In a civilised country - call it 'Sweden' if you like - safe abortion is available to all women, free. So away with your ignorant and silly generalisations.
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In the US while abortion may be legal it is not necessarily accessible. Many states have passed restrictive laws that have shut down most of the clinics in the state. The history of the anti-abortion movement here is inextricably intertwined with very conservative (read theocratic) religious denominations and the goal right from it beginning was a move to gain national political power.

I'm not sure but I think a conservative in Sweden is quite a different kind of person than today's conservatives in the US.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Simply amazing how you can support killing unborn babies as a good thing. "All Lives Matter" even the unborn.
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There is no reason to think anyone ever supported killing unborn babies.

First, there is no such thing as an unborn baby. All babies are born. We are talking about zygotes, blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses.

Second, pro-choice means just that - wanting every girl and woman to have the right to choose whether she stays pregnant or not.

Third, if all lives mattered every girl and woman would want a zygote to become a baby and mourn miscarriages of unwanted offspring.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Killing babies is wrong. So none of that opinion pulling information for statistics is at all relevant.
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If you read any of the OP you would know none of it is about killing babies and all the statistics are facts.
 
weaver2 said:
None of them are opinions. Read the references below. Every one of those statements is corroborated by legitimate studies, surveys or research.
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Not all research is valid.
 
Dayton3 said:
Not all research is valid.
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The Dayton3 test of research validity

1. Does the study use short words?
2. Are the word all in English?
3. Is the study no more than a page long?
4. Did Fox News quote the study favorably
5. Do I like the conclusion of the study

Question 5. must be answered with a yes in order to make the study valid:lamo
 
weaver2 said:
The Dayton3 test of research validity

1. Does the study use short words?
2. Are the word all in English?
3. Is the study no more than a page long?
4. Did Fox News quote the study favorably
5. Do I like the conclusion of the study

Question 5. must be answered with a yes in order to make the study valid:lamo
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So you are incapable of responding to people who disagree with you without personal insults.
 
weaver2 said:
These are true facts about abortion. Why won't pro-life advocates admit they are true?

*95% of women did the right thing by getting an abortion
Five years after abortion, nearly all women say it was the right decision, even those who struggled to make the decision supported the abortion years later.
*Anti-abortion women are the largest % of women getting abortions:
The majority of abortion patients indicated a religious affiliation: Seventeen percent identified as mainline Protestant, 13% as evangelical Protestant and 24% as Roman Catholic, while 8% identified with some other religion. Thirty-eight percent of patients did not identify with any religion. The proportion of women who identified as mainline Protestant declined by 24% since 2008, whereas the proportion with no affiliation increased by 38%�.
*Women who get abortions are responsible people:
85% of the women getting abortions have either part-time or full=time jobs.
45% are married or in stable relationships
59.3% have one or more children already
42.4% are aged 25 to 35
64% have attended college or have have a degree
66% plan to have children when they are financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents
64 % are using birth control: (rhythm and withdrawal are not considered birth control because their failure rate is so high).
*Women get abortions for very good reasons
The family can't financially support a child at this time.
The woman has responsibilities to work, parents, school or other children.
“I am too immature to raise a child�
Denying abortion in cases of unwanted pregnancies creates children that grow up with huge social problems.
*Conservatives created the marriage destroying legislation of aid to single mothers only.

Oops! We’re lost. | UC San Francisco
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/140517NCJRS.pdf
Females in the US Workforce
Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008 | Guttmacher Institute
Aid to Families with Dependent Children - Wikipedia
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If hardline social-religious conservatives had their way, women would be forced into carrying the fetus full term to birth - even if the pregnancy was forced as in incest or rape. There would be a lot more unwanted children than there are now and more of our tax money would be spent on their upbringing, healthcare and education.

Abortion may be used a lot for convenience purposes but making it illegal won't stop it from happening. Making criminals out of women and doctors who choose abortion certainly won't make the world a better place.
 
weaver2 said:
The Dayton3 test of research validity

1. Does the study use short words?
2. Are the word all in English?
3. Is the study no more than a page long?
4. Did Fox News quote the study favorably
5. Do I like the conclusion of the study

Question 5. must be answered with a yes in order to make the study valid:lamo
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Even that is above his idol's preference.
 
Indie guy said:
If hardline social-religious conservatives had their way, women would be forced into carrying the fetus full term to birth - even if the pregnancy was forced as in incest or rape. There would be a lot more unwanted children than there are now and more of our tax money would be spent on their upbringing, healthcare and education.

Abortion may be used a lot for convenience purposes but making it illegal won't stop it from happening. Making criminals out of women and doctors who choose abortion certainly won't make the world a better place.
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In fact, it would make the world a WORSE place.

I am still waiting for so-called "pro-lifers" (who are really 100% anti-choicers) to prove banning safe abortions would be better for the unborn offspring that should not exist and has only a 1/3 chance of becoming a fully developed human being anyway at the stage a girl or woman is most likely to have her pregnancy aborted. Until that happens, it is safe to assume all of them are lying when they call themselves pro-lifers.
 
Dayton3 said:
So you are incapable of responding to people who disagree with you without personal insults.
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Oh come on, after making a singularity foolish remark a mild twitting is deserved and isn't an insult. When I insult you, you will know it.
 
weaver2 said:
Oh come on, after making a singularity foolish remark a mild twitting is deserved and isn't an insult. When I insult you, you will know it.
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Dayton is obviously unable to understand what the word insult means because people who do would never accuse you of doing it.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Dayton is obviously unable to understand what the word insult means because people who do would never accuse you of doing it.
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I guess personal insults are more in your wheelhouse right?
 
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