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The Recent Louisiana Abortion Decision: No Worries. Truth and Righteousness ALWAYS Prevail

Mashmont said:
You haven't posted a fact yet.
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And yet another lie. That's just one more sin to add to the pile...yuge :mrgreen: pile...that you post consistently here in this forum...proving that you are not repenting at all for your sin. Tsk tsk. That's another act of hypocrisy on top of all the others :roll:


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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weaver2 said:
No fetus has ever survived at 20 weeks. The earliest a fetus has survived at is 21 weeks +5 days.
Survival Rates of:
Babies born at 23 weeks have a 17% chance of survival
Babies born at 24 weeks have a 39% chance of survival
Babies born at 25 weeks have a 50% chance of survival
Babies born at 28 weeks have a 94% chance of survival
From 32 weeks onwards, most babies are able to survive with the help of medical Technology [EPICure data]

Outcomes
1 in 10 premature babies will develop a permanent disability such as lung disease, cerebral palsy, blindness or deafness.
50% of premature babies born before the 26th week of gestation are disabled, a quarter severely so. (Fowler GA. Preemie problems: the sobering statistics. US News World Reports 2000; vol 129: pp56.)
Of children born before 26 weeks' gestation, results in 241 of the surviving children at six years (early school age) indicate a high level of disability as follows:
22% severe disability (defined as cerebral palsy but not walking, low cognitive scores, blindness, profound deafness)
24% moderate disability (defined as cerebral palsy but walking, IQ/cognitive scores in the special needs range, lesser degree of visual or hearing impairment)
34% mild disability (defined as low IQ/cognitive score, squint, requiring glasses)
20% no problems

[N Engl J Med 2005; 352: 9-19.] Epicure data(this information has been asshole proofed)
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My next door neighbour and mother had a baby at twenty weeks gestation, born Raigmore Hospital Inverness, but you bunch of vampires sorry feminist targers still have abortions of healthy babies at thirty weeks, possibly up to thirty two weeks depending the size and sex of the baby.
The son is now twenty something, fit and healthy. Rather makes a mockery of all that statistics!
 
Highlanders said:
My next door neighbour and mother had a baby at twenty weeks gestation, born Raigmore Hospital Inverness, but you bunch of vampires sorry feminist targers still have abortions of healthy babies at thirty weeks, possibly up to thirty two weeks depending the size and sex of the baby.
The son is now twenty something, fit and healthy. Rather makes a mockery of all that statistics!
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They lied or you are. Please post verification. It would have been newsworthy.

And outside of that, your emotions seem out of control here, in the face of actual facts. Is it possible for you to carry out an actual discussion or should you just be venting in a blog somewhere? You seem poorly informed on the realities and facts of the issue...and only aware of your feelings and anecdotes that you 'want' to believe.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
OK, fine, you didnt.

So answer my question then...why would "diminishing the native born population" be negative? Does your definition of 'native born' include people of all color and religion and ethnicity?
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Of course. Does it make you feel better to believe that abortion opponents are also racists and bigots?
 
Dayton3 said:
Of course. Does it make you feel better to believe that abortion opponents are also racists and bigots?
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Well it doesnt surprise me, that's for sure. But I like your honesty.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Looked, nothing about that family but it was in the newspapers at the time, he was 1lb 1oz if I remember correctly. But looking up I saw a baby survived at 13ozs and 21 weeks gestation. Hope this helps your charitable outlook.
Mmm... you can always contradict me....obviously your far superior in your intellect, because your a woman, so why do you all refuse to reply to direct questioning? Or refuse to answer, but answer for each other?
I base my opinions on the facts available to those that wish to be informed. You want links to foetal butcher? One stop organ shops! Cosmetic stem cell injections £10,000.00 a month, but many babies worth! Where is those bleating word... generosity, caring and sharing.... kill a zef to prove your femininity your social charitable status! Honestly, that's what one of you stated in a post, I deliberately tried to forget who said it, its horrific to be that callus
 
Highlanders said:
My next door neighbour and mother had a baby at twenty weeks gestation, born Raigmore Hospital Inverness, but you bunch of vampires sorry feminist targers still have abortions of healthy babies at thirty weeks, possibly up to thirty two weeks depending the size and sex of the baby.
The son is now twenty something, fit and healthy. Rather makes a mockery of all that statistics!
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"My next door neighbour and mother had a baby" ............... Not many people are so lucky as to have their mothers living next door and giving birth. Perhaps the Scots are different? Maybe in Inverness the doctors deliver 20 week preemies and abort 32 week fetuses, but in the US if a fetus can live at 23 weeks, doctors do not preform abortions at 32 weeks. But far be it for us "bunch of vampires sorry feminist targers" to dissuade you Scot genius from what you want to believe.

BTW: You do know the difference between gestational age and fetal age, don't you? No?
 
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Highlanders said:
Looked, nothing about that family but it was in the newspapers at the time, he was 1lb 1oz if I remember correctly. But looking up I saw a baby survived at 13ozs and 21 weeks gestation. Hope this helps your charitable outlook.
Mmm... you can always contradict me....obviously your far superior in your intellect, because your a woman, so why do you all refuse to reply to direct questioning? Or refuse to answer, but answer for each other?
I base my opinions on the facts available to those that wish to be informed. You want links to foetal butcher? One stop organ shops! Cosmetic stem cell injections £10,000.00 a month, but many babies worth! Where is those bleating word... generosity, caring and sharing.... kill a zef to prove your femininity your social charitable status! Honestly, that's what one of you stated in a post, I deliberately tried to forget who said it, its horrific to be that callus
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You sound shrill, aggressive, biased, uninformed and rude .............. And yet we are the targers?
 
Gestation and foetal age..... Actually no!
Do you know the difference between motherhood and the beauty of woman's creation, and the killing zefs for financial gain, has nothing to do with charity! Perhaps you could tell your friend!
 
weaver2 said:
You sound shrill, aggressive, biased, uninformed and rude .............. And yet we are the targers?
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Ha ha ha I sound shrill....aggressive, uninformed, rude... since when has the written word have sounds?

Ooh yes, I am biased, I think children are beautiful blank pieces of humanity, requiring all our human essence, love!

But yes, I have to hand it to you, you are the mothering targers
 
I quote:- The current U.S. Supreme Court standard holds that states may prohibit abortion after fetal viability so long as there are exceptions for the life and health (both physical and mental) of the woman. Under this legal standard, viability—which can range from 24 to 28 weeks after the start of the woman’s last menstrual period (LMP) —must be determined on an individual basis, and determinations of both fetal viability and the woman’s health are at the discretion of the patient’s physician. In addition, states may not require that additional physicians confirm an attending physician’s judgment that the woman’s life or health is at risk in cases of medical emergency.
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So by adding the four week since last period , baby size and discretion of the doctor, it can be 32 weeks.

Am I being rude... or aggressive.... mmm... the truth does hurt you know, but those sensibilities and your charitable status, that's not the purpose if the discussion.
 
weaver2 said:
Try Robert Burns' "Afton Waters".
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Vol 1 page319/320

Now poetry, and burns, you do have a heart!

I'm trying to learn Tam o'shanter, I have the first three pages memorised, on the fourth.

While we do not agree, and will never agree, yer a toff.
 
Highlanders said:
I quote:- The current U.S. Supreme Court standard holds that states may prohibit abortion after fetal viability so long as there are exceptions for the life and health (both physical and mental) of the woman. Under this legal standard, viability—which can range from 24 to 28 weeks after the start of the woman’s last menstrual period (LMP) —must be determined on an individual basis, and determinations of both fetal viability and the woman’s health are at the discretion of the patient’s physician. In addition, states may not require that additional physicians confirm an attending physician’s judgment that the woman’s life or health is at risk in cases of medical emergency.
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So by adding the four week since last period , baby size and discretion of the doctor, it can be 32 weeks.
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The statement of the Supreme Court says nothing about adding 4 weeks so abortions can happen at 32 weeks. Abortions are not happening at 32 weeks to normal viable fetuses. If they are happening it is because for some reason a pregnancy has gone very seriously wrong. Here is the link the Guttmacher article State Bans on Abortion Throughout Pregnancy | Guttmacher Institute. Next time please give a link to any quotes you post.
 
Same link!
and it's not viabilityits based is it! is it!

Up to 24-28 weeks from date of last period.... which could be four weeks out.... am I correct?

And if a woman states it's affecting her mental welfare, the doctor can butcher, if the doctor can say it's affecting her health, again he can butcher!
 
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Mashmont said:
Child | Definition of Child by Merriam-Webster.

child noun, often attributive

\ ˈchī(-ə)ld \
plural children\ ˈchil-​drən , -​dərn \

3a: an unborn or recently born person
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You can bash your head on this wall forever & a day, if you like. But if you're going to rely on definitions in order to argue abortion, you need to consult a legal dictionary. Because Roe v. Wade is the legal holding that underpins the legal treatment of abortion in the US.
 
Out of order?

Mashmont said:
Right. The dictionary is wrong [on person], but an anonymous chatter is the expert. lol.
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Face it, you're seriously outgunned here in this discussion. It's not some civilian out in the Internet that set the language under which we discuss abortion in the US. It was the duly appointed US Supreme Court, in the holding Roe v. Wade, 1973. That's whose judgment you're frantically trying to impugn, vastly amusing those of us who follow the issues.

But please, be my guest. Assail the sitting Supreme Court @ the time.
 
Highlanders said:
Vol 1 page319/320
Now poetry, and burns, you do have a heart!
I'm trying to learn Tam o'shanter, I have the first three pages memorised, on the fourth.
While we do not agree, and will never agree, yer a toff.
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It's OK to disagree. It's OK to have opinions. What is not OK is to make up your own facts, as you are doing with the 32 week abortions, the fetal tissue use, fetal tissue profits, late term abortions and the characterization of women who abort. Learn some facts about those topics so you won't look like a lunatic howling at the moon.

Everyone thinks children are beautiful blank pieces of humanity, requiring all our human essence, love!. The point of pro-choice is to make sure every child is planned for and wanted so it will receive all our love, caring and guidance. Read some studies on what happens to unplanned and unwanted babies. When a mother and her family say they cannot support a child and give it the love and caring every child needs why is it that men won't listen. It is inhumane beyond all belief to force that woman to give birth to a child she knows she cannot support or care for. And 75% of all abortions are performed on women living on or below the poverty line.
 
weaver2 said:
It's OK to disagree. It's OK to have opinions. What is not OK is to make up your own facts, as you are doing with the 32 week abortions, the fetal tissue use, fetal tissue profits, late term abortions and the characterization of women who abort. Learn some facts about those topics so you won't look like a lunatic howling at the moon.

Everyone thinks children are beautiful blank pieces of humanity, requiring all our human essence, love!. The point of pro-choice is to make sure every child is planned for and wanted so it will receive all our love, caring and guidance. Read some studies on what happens to unplanned and unwanted babies. When a mother and her family say they cannot support a child and give it the love and caring every child needs why is it that men won't listen. It is inhumane beyond all belief to force that woman to give birth to a child she knows she cannot support or care for. And 75% of all abortions are performed on women living on or below the poverty line.
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What a twisted load of crap. No, what is inhumane is butchering a child before it ever gets a chance at life. Please stop acting like you are compassionate and loving and are only looking out for the child, because you aren't. If a woman can't take care of the child, she should give it up for adoption. Someone WILL be there to take care of him or her.
 
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southwest88 said:
Face it, you're seriously outgunned here in this discussion. It's not some civilian out in the Internet that set the language under which we discuss abortion in the US. It was the duly appointed US Supreme Court, in the holding Roe v. Wade, 1973. That's whose judgment you're frantically trying to impugn, vastly amusing those of us who follow the issues.

But please, be my guest. Assail the sitting Supreme Court @ the time.
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Even leftwing attorneys have said Roe v Wade is based on very shaky legal ground. It is a bad law. It is morally wrong. Like other evil laws before it, this evil law allowing the killing of little babies in the womb will fall. Sooner or later. And btw, whom do you think on your side is remotely capable of 'outgunning' me in debate? Not a damn one of you.
 
weaver2 said:
It's OK to disagree. It's OK to have opinions. What is not OK is to make up your own facts, as you are doing with the 32 week abortions, the fetal tissue use, fetal tissue profits, late term abortions and the characterization of women who abort. Learn some facts about those topics so you won't look like a lunatic howling at the moon.

Everyone thinks children are beautiful blank pieces of humanity, requiring all our human essence, love!. The point of pro-choice is to make sure every child is planned for and wanted so it will receive all our love, caring and guidance. Read some studies on what happens to unplanned and unwanted babies. When a mother and her family say they cannot support a child and give it the love and caring every child needs why is it that men won't listen. It is inhumane beyond all belief to force that woman to give birth to a child she knows she cannot support or care for. And 75% of all abortions are performed on women living on or below the poverty line.
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Yet again you sloppy shoulders to poverty, how hard it is, woe is me..... get a grip, life is life, if you cannot give a baby love, if you cannot look after it, so bloody what, does it make it right to then murder it? There are always people more than prepared to adopt a child. And the woman can as a last resort, always make sure she takes adequate precautions. Seeing her body is so precious and charitable. But let's make no mistake a zef, is a viable baby, regardless of your rights, wants or lack of humanity.
Twenty four or twenty eight weeks isn't twenty weeks! Gestation and size can be wrong by up to four weeks.
Get another record, abortions have been proven to be done at thirty two week, it's more profitable for the doctor and organ harvesting.
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southwest88 said:
You can bash your head on this wall forever & a day, if you like. But if you're going to rely on definitions in order to argue abortion, you need to consult a legal dictionary. Because Roe v. Wade is the legal holding that underpins the legal treatment of abortion in the US.
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I already responded. The ruling was wrong. The law is evil. It will get repealed once the evil leftwing justices go away.
 
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