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Margaret Sanger & Planned Parenthood

weaver2 said:
How about you give us some examples of Sanger's racism instead just making wild statements about a women you know nothing about.
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I think we'll be waiting a very long time for those examples to be posted.

weaver2 said:
Have you ever been honest about why you don't want women to have access to the services and products provided by PP and other reproductive clinics like PP?
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Great question. Whether or not we'll get an honest answer remains to be seen.
 
American said:
She was a racist, and therefore Planned Parenthood needs to be shutdown and defunded.
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weaver2 said:
How about you give us some examples of Sanger's racism instead just making wild statements about a women you know nothing about. Planned Parenthood is not "funded" by the government. They are paid for services rendered to Medicare and Medicaid women. Any funding that PP receives comes from private donations from people like me and millions of other women who understand that many idiots are anxious to deny all reproductive information, products and services to women especially women's contraceptives.

Have you ever been honest about why you don't want women to have access to the services and products provided by PP and other reproductive clinics like PP?
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It appears the OP has left the building.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Moonglow said:
Yes, we know Margaret lived at a different time in history when eugenics was a way to control society by controlling reproduction ...Yet today we know that is is impossible to bread a desired result due to the law of nature and biology. No one I know worships any angels but the religious.
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Sanger wasn't a leading eugenicist, except that she encouraged families who could afford to have & rear more children in comfort, to have more children. But essentially, she wanted to put birth control information & devices into the hands of the families directly involved, especially the working poor. She always felt the well off in the US could (& did) attend to their birth control needs quite well.

She was more concerned about working poor families, that typically had too many children, too close together - the mothers never fully recovered, & it damaged their health, & often led to chronic illness, early death, & more damage to the family.
 
American said:
She [Sanger] was a racist, and therefore Planned Parenthood needs to be shutdown and defunded.
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Nah. Sanger was of Irish descent, @ a time in the US when the Irish were not esteemed, to put it very mildly. Plus she was a nurse (also not esteemed, @ the time), plus she worked with a doctor & made visitations to the tenements (extremely disesteemed, then). Sanger was not racist, as you would see from any good biography on her. She was driven, her own mother had died relatively young, after lots of too-close pregnancies & births.
 
American said:
She was a racist, and therefore Planned Parenthood needs to be shutdown and defunded.
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1. She was not racist

2. she is long dead

3. she was pro-life

4. PP has nothing to do anymore with Sanger as she died more than 53 years ago (almost 54 years) and in that time PP has grown to a very large organization

Women have the right to choose, that you don't like that, who cares PP isn't going anywhere.
 
Has the original poster figured out that Sanger was against abortion yet?:lamo
 
American said:
All.org


Hitler, The Ku Klux Klan, and Margaret Sanger | Courier-Herald

Abortion - A Liberal Cause? (Margaret Sanger and Eugenics)

Worship your angel, but I know the denials are coming by the horde.
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year2late said:
Has the original poster figured out that Sanger was against abortion yet?:lamo
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I think so, as he has not shown up to acknowledge it. Easier to pretend it never happened.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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OceanBlues1 said:
I think we'll be waiting a very long time for those examples to be posted.

Great question. Whether or not we'll get an honest answer remains to be seen.
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Sanger put together a book of letters she received from women exhausted with child bearing begging for contraceptives and education.

"I am thirty-three years of age, have been married a little less than 14 years and have given birth to 7 children, 6 of whom are living. I have also had three miscarriages during the time and am now pregnant again. I do not feel that I have shirked the responsibility of mother hood but do feel that I have all we can provide for and feeling that you can instruct me in what to use as a contraceptive I am writing to you begging for this information, My health is still good and I have a great desire to retain it for the balance of my lifetime in order that I may be able to raise my family."

"I am a young woman twenty-five years old and I have four children. Three living and one dead. I wish to God that you would give me some information how to prevent from having any more children. My husband is sickly and half-times we haven’t anything to eat, and I have two of the children that must go through an operation. One has a running neck since he was one year old,—gland trouble, and he is going on five years now. It looks like it will never heal and I can’t get the money to have him operated on. He is a pretty child, and the baby is five months. He is ruptured. I am almost crazy. My sleep is all broke up at nights as the baby suffers with the rupture. If it hadn’t been for people giving me cast-off clothes I don’t know what I would do. If you would only help me and tell me how to prevent from having any more I would be more than thankful. I don’t think I could stand it to have any more. I am all run down."

There are 257 pages of these letters. The letters from men are especially poignant.
 
weaver2 said:
Sanger put together a book of letters she received from women exhausted with child bearing begging for contraceptives and education.

"I am thirty-three years of age, have been married a little less than 14 years and have given birth to 7 children, 6 of whom are living. I have also had three miscarriages during the time and am now pregnant again. I do not feel that I have shirked the responsibility of mother hood but do feel that I have all we can provide for and feeling that you can instruct me in what to use as a contraceptive I am writing to you begging for this information, My health is still good and I have a great desire to retain it for the balance of my lifetime in order that I may be able to raise my family."

"I am a young woman twenty-five years old and I have four children. Three living and one dead. I wish to God that you would give me some information how to prevent from having any more children. My husband is sickly and half-times we haven’t anything to eat, and I have two of the children that must go through an operation. One has a running neck since he was one year old,—gland trouble, and he is going on five years now. It looks like it will never heal and I can’t get the money to have him operated on. He is a pretty child, and the baby is five months. He is ruptured. I am almost crazy. My sleep is all broke up at nights as the baby suffers with the rupture. If it hadn’t been for people giving me cast-off clothes I don’t know what I would do. If you would only help me and tell me how to prevent from having any more I would be more than thankful. I don’t think I could stand it to have any more. I am all run down."

There are 257 pages of these letters. The letters from men are especially poignant.
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Thanks so much for these. Question: were they all in one book that Sanger wrote or in several of them? I believe Sanger wrote more than one book, although I might be mistaken on that. One of her books (if she did write more than one) was titled "Woman and the New Race," and I've read some of it, but not all.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Thanks so much for these. Question: were they all in one book that Sanger wrote or in several of them? I believe Sanger wrote more than one book, although I might be mistaken on that. One of her books (if she did write more than one) was titled "Woman and the New Race," and I've read some of it, but not all.
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Those are from Sanger's book caller"Motherhood in Bondage". There are 17 chapters each devoted to a type problem facing the women or men. The first chapter has letters from girls who were married very young. The second is from women and men with too many children and living in desperate poverty. In the most shocking chapter women write that doctors warned them not to have more children at risk of death but refused to tell them about contraceptives. The doctors frequently advised separation and the chapter of letters from men often stated that they were living far away from their family in order to prevent more births.
 
I wish I had a dollar for every time a Trumpster starts a thread and because it's 100% wrong and a lie it's shot down by the 2nd post in the thread...lol

But what is soooooo sad is next week another Trumpster will start another thread with the same lie and misinformation.. They never learn, NEVER!! Poorly educated indeed.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I wish I had a dollar for every time a Trumpster starts a thread and because it's 100% wrong and a lie it's shot down by the 2nd post in the thread...lol

But what is soooooo sad is next week another Trumpster will start another thread with the same lie and misinformation.. They never learn, NEVER!! Poorly educated indeed.
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They've all gone to school. The opportunity to learn was there. They chose to ignore it. Guess which group complains the most about American public schools.
 
weaver2 said:
They've all gone to school. The opportunity to learn was there. They chose to ignore it. Guess which group complains the most about American public schools.
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Great point.
 
weaver2 said:
Those are from Sanger's book caller"Motherhood in Bondage". There are 17 chapters each devoted to a type problem facing the women or men. The first chapter has letters from girls who were married very young. The second is from women and men with too many children and living in desperate poverty. In the most shocking chapter women write that doctors warned them not to have more children at risk of death but refused to tell them about contraceptives. The doctors frequently advised separation and the chapter of letters from men often stated that they were living far away from their family in order to prevent more births.
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Thanks. I'll have to do a Google search on this book, as I wasn't aware of it before now. I'd love to read that book in its entirety.
 
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