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Planned Parenthood endorses Biden

Which is great - except they also end the lives of millions of humans which is abhorrent.

Do you ever think about how many more abortions are prevented than reported by the CDC and state health departments every year? Usually when any form of contraception is used during sexual intercourse, a pregnancy is prevented.

Let's see how many years it took for "millions" of abortions to occur at Planned Parenthood clinics. I know the annual number is not even close to that.
 
Well, that is certainly your "choice" But let's be clear, the millions of women in the US that "choose" life every year are not calling their babies in their bellies - "fetus"

Nobody uses the word "baby" in a scientific context. This anti-choice argument is just playing stupid word games to push a religious agenda, obviously. Everyone knows all babies are born.

BTW if you know anything about female anatomy, you know fetuses do not grow in bellies.
 
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And "fetus" is a term used in attempt to mask the emotion of the decision to end a life.

I know you know that is not true. Everyone knows fetus is a scientific term meaning the fourth stage of life in an unborn mammal. So there is no reason to think anyone is justifying abortion by using the only English word for it. Only on the anti-choice side does anyone ever play word games to pretend facts do not exist.
 
Can any of the morals police here tell us what exactly has Trump done in 4 years to end or curb abortion?

NOTHING. He promised to get Roe vs. Wade overturned by appointing Supreme Court justices who oppose the decision, but that was completely useless because Chief Justice John Roberts later said he will not go against any SCOTUS precedent on the issue.
 
It's funny how irate you people get over facts.

Posting repeatedly proven facts published on totally unbiased, information-only websites with links to them is the only way to demonstrate a high level of intelligence, critical thinking, logic, and rational behavior and make a solid argument against abortion.
 
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Not only baby killers, but they sell baby parts for $$$. They are very sick, perverted people who all need to be executed/removed from the planet.

Nope. Planned Parenthood has never killed a single baby or sold any parts of babies.
 
Never once in that article does it refer to the consequences to the mother of accepting the conclusion of the author. If the author's conclusion was enacted into law, it would result in the use of force...thru the law, thru Constitutional and civil rights violations...to force women to remain pregnant agaisnt our will. The laws would impact non-pregnant women as well, since we'd have no due process before having our Constitutional right to privacy and reproductive freedom violated.

Those are abhorrent consequences, are they not? Where is the ethical examination of those? It seems they didnt matter at all to the author of that paper.

I value the unborn, but I value all born people more. It is not possible to treat both equally under the law. (Well if it is, please explain how)

Gee and I thought this was going to about you proving to me there is a vaccine for any coronavirus. Frankly I am not interested in the laws of abortion, I said my view above, women can do whatever the **** they want, it's their life and they can live with their demons, not my problem!
 
Gee and I thought this was going to about you proving to me there is a vaccine for any coronavirus. Frankly I am not interested in the laws of abortion, I said my view above, women can do whatever the **** they want, it's their life and they can live with their demons, not my problem!

Then why did you post your stance, based on the link/article you posted? It's a discussion forum.

yeah...there are many tough questions in the abortion issue...and you just pulled pro-life 101...when the questions get tough, the pro-life abandon ship. I spoke to mostly ethical/moral consequences...our Const. protects us from many things...pain and suffering and humiliation and unfair and unjust consequences. That's what our legal system is supposed to do.

Your assumption about 'demons' has also been disproven. I am not the keeper of those links (with the studies) but most women do not have long-term regrets or depression, etc after having abortions.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Then why did you post your stance, based on the link/article you posted? It's a discussion forum.

yeah...there are many tough questions in the abortion issue...and you just pulled pro-life 101...when the questions get tough, the pro-life abandon ship. I spoke to mostly ethical/moral consequences...our Const. protects us from many things...pain and suffering and humiliation and unfair and unjust consequences. That's what our legal system is supposed to do.

Your assumption about 'demons' has also been disproven. I am not the keeper of those links (with the studies) but most women do not have long-term regrets or depression, etc after having abortions.

My stance is based purely on what time I think that a embryo / fetus becomes a person! Just my opinion it is around the period of 6-8 weeks. Others obviously have got different opinions, and also if women don't have mental scars over it, well good luck to them, not my issue to deal with either way!
 
Nope it not, I used to be a butcher who did on farm kills, from time to time we would open up a cow that was pregnant without knowing ,( we just took the ones the farmers told us to) when we opened them up he calf was always dead, know why, because it wasn't breathing.

And generally we opened them within five minutes...

Do you ever think about how many more abortions are prevented than reported by the CDC and state health departments every year? Usually when any form of contraception is used during sexual intercourse, a pregnancy is prevented.

Let's see how many years it took for "millions" of abortions to occur at Planned Parenthood clinics. I know the annual number is not even close to that.

Nothing you've said here negates that I said.
 
Wow does Biden take great pride in the fact he is being endorsed by baby killers? If he had any morals at all he would disavow them. But then does he have any morals? His actions in Ukraine indicate other wise.

Great advise on how to run his campaign from the people that desperately want him to lose. LOL
 
Nobody uses the word "baby" in a scientific context. This anti-choice argument is just playing stupid word games to push a religious agenda, obviously. Everyone knows all babies are born.

We're not talking science, we're talking human emotion.

BTW if you know anything about female anatomy, you know fetuses do not grow in bellies.

Really? I've never heard of this. Can you please explain it to me
 
I know you know that is not true. Everyone knows fetus is a scientific term meaning the fourth stage of life in an unborn mammal. So there is no reason to think anyone is justifying abortion by using the only English word for it. Only on the anti-choice side does anyone ever play word games to pretend facts do not exist.

I've never heard of any pro-abortion advocates use the term fetus to justify abortion. Is this common/

My argument, again, is that the term "fetus" is used, rather than "baby" to help mask the emotion of the decision to end a life.
 
I've never heard of any pro-abortion advocates use the term fetus to justify abortion. Is this common/

My argument, again, is that the term "fetus" is used, rather than "baby" to help mask the emotion of the decision to end a life.

Call it fried green tomatoes if you want.


As long as it is dead after the abortion
 
Good after he is elected he can take the money from trumps failed wall and return funding to planned parenthood and prevent more abortions.

The idiots running around screaming about "baby killers" completely ignore the fact that planned parenthood prevents far more unwanted pregnancies than they terminate.

You want to prevent abortions, prevent unwanted pregnancies.

They treat abortion as the last option.

They are involved in education and distribution of contraceptives, and std prevention.

For many young women they are their only option for feminine healthcare

Oh if it's not breathing it's not alive, and every miscarriage/abortion is God's will. He obviously did not want that thing to become alive...

Why do I never see pro-choicers here call out people on your side who say idiotic things like this?
 
If you did not ignore science, you would certainly stop jumping to the fetus stage when almost no women have elective abortions anyway.

Pro-choicers know what a zygote, blastocystl, and embryo are and how late in pregnancy a fetus is capable of thinking and feeling pain. They all know there are four life stages before birth and treat them accordingly.

Just curious --- if a fetus is born at 25 weeks gestation, do you call him/her a baby or still a fetus? Are unborn humans ever "babies" to you or only born ones?
 
I've never heard of any pro-abortion advocates use the term fetus to justify abortion. Is this common/

My argument, again, is that the term "fetus" is used, rather than "baby" to help mask the emotion of the decision to end a life.

And you don't think that the pro-life movement is using the terms, little unborn child, baby, tiny little human being, innocent child, instead of fetus to mask the fact you are denying a family and/or a woman the right to make decisions without the interference of guilt from the pro-life people.

How about the pro-life's use of the words baby killers, loose mamas, sluts who spread their legs, murderers, instead of saying women? That couldn't possibly be propaganda, right? They are just factually identifying women that get abortions.
 
Call it fried green tomatoes if you want.


As long as it is dead after the abortion

There's always the option of leaving it on the surgical tray to die. Of course, after it's made "comfortable."

So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

Curious - Northam called it an "infant." Seems you guys were arguing that it's called a baby after it is born. Is it a fetus, a baby or an infant?
 
There's always the option of leaving it on the surgical tray to die. Of course, after it's made "comfortable."



Curious - Northam called it an "infant." Seems you guys were arguing that it's called a baby after it is born. Is it a fetus, a baby or an infant?

The normal way is fine
 
Wow does Biden take great pride in the fact he is being endorsed by baby killers? If he had any morals at all he would disavow them. But then does he have any morals? His actions in Ukraine indicate other wise.

Democrats have indirectly promoted the killing of black babies for decades through their support of PP and abortion.
 
And you don't think that the pro-life movement is using the terms, little unborn child, baby, tiny little human being, innocent child, instead of fetus to mask the fact you are denying a family and/or a woman the right to make decisions without the interference of guilt from the pro-life people.

How about the pro-life's use of the words baby killers, loose mamas, sluts who spread their legs, murderers, instead of saying women? That couldn't possibly be propaganda, right? They are just factually identifying women that get abortions.

Emotions certainly run extremely high and hot on the issue. When there are 800K - 1M pregnancies terminated each year in the US it's not likely to go away.
 
The normal way is fine

Doesn't always work out that way, does it? I was actually looking for an answer since you guys seem to so worked up about the terminology us. When a the abortion is botched and an ( X ) is born, is the called a fetus, a baby or an infant? Northam called it an infant.
 
Democrats have indirectly promoted the killing of black babies for decades through their support of PP and abortion.

And those who are the biggest proponents of science in terms of the environment want to keep the science of human development hush hush which is why we have so many ignorant pro-choicers out there who say things like "fetuses aren't alive" or "it's not a human until it's born" or "it's just a clump of cells" or "it's no different than a tumor or parasite".
 
Forget it. Logical has DP's most ironic username. Mentioning a totally biased lie is a way of dodging the obvious truth that everyone knows about abortion: It is a women's rights issue.

Agree! I'm not surprised that Planned Parenthood endorsed Biden. America wants a President who is in favor of equality, women's rights and the rights and freedoms of all people of color, people of all religions and LGBTQ.

AMERICAN FREEDOMS DON'T ONLY APPLY TO WHITE MALE CHRISTIANS!
 
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