Just give birth and give it up. Easy-peazy - abortion avoided.

Just give birth and give it up, no big deal, birth is a natural process for women they do it all the time. Not so fast, those of you who say adoption is the solution to abortion. Ever heard of micromorts.

INTERESTING EXAMPLES OF MICROMORT STATISTICS
A micromort represents your risk of a one-in-a-million chance of sudden death. In our odds of dying chart, we’ve mapped unusual activities by their micromorts. The higher the number, the greater the risk. These might be some odd ways to die, like climbing Mount Everest, that don’t affect the whole population, but if you do them, you have a very slim chance of dying. Then, there are lifetime odds of dying, which shows your overall chance of dying from pretty typical deaths. So, you have a one in a million chance of sudden death from skiing for a day, but you have a one-in-six chance of dying from heart disease in America during your lifetime. Here are some facts to keep in mind:
*What are the odds of dying from cancer? In America, you have a one-in-seven chance of dying from some form of cancer. Some cancers are more likely than others.
*What are the odds of dying from terrorism? Reportedly you have a one in 45,808 chance of dying in a foreign-born terrorist attack. You have a one in 46,192,893 chance of dying from a refugee terrorist attack, and a one in 138,324,873 chance of dying from an illegal immigrant terrorist attack. You’re far more likely to die of sunstroke.
*What are the odds of dying in a plane crash? Those who have a flying phobia may be relieved to hear that the chances of dying in a plane crash are low – one in 205,552. Flying 1,000 miles by jet is only one micromort – and it’s not a cumulative statistic.
*What is the risk of dying in a car accident? It’s fairly high – a normal person has a one in 102 chance of dying in a motor vehicle crash.
*What are the odds of dying while skydiving? The odds of dying while skydiving are low to begin with*because so many people are afraid to do the activity, but if you look at micromort data, you have a 10 in one million chance of sudden death while skydiving.
*What are the odds of dying during childbirth? Unfortunately, the risk of dying during childbirth, especially in America, is high. It’s 170 micromorts*or 24 deaths per 100,000 live births.


So next some anti-abortion schmuck tell you just give birth and put it up for adoption instead of aborting invite him to go skydiving


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You also have to include the cost of being pregnant and giving birth in a hospital. Not to mention 5 month or so a the persons life put on hold

The OP had many good points.

IMO it's unethical to encourage a woman to give birth unnecessarily when there are more than 100,000 children already available in the US for adoption. (Not in foster care, that # is 400,000).

It's cruel...for each new birth put up for adoption, it means that another child, waiting for a family, goes without. A perfect white newborn tends to have a much better chance at adoption but if they arent available, then true loving potential parents may look to the others in need.

Yes, adding more unwanted babies to that huge pool of waiting, hoping kids means that fewer of those kids hoping for homes get one. And these kids are aware, displaced, and even suffering...while the unborn knows and suffers nothing.

"Waiting for a family is the longest wait of all." (sources for over 100,000 kids waiting in the US)

Adopt America Network | Children for Adoption*

Adoption Statistics | Adoption Network*

Waiting Children | Kids Available for Adoption | The Adoption Exchange | The Adoption Exchange

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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It's definitely the unselfish way...

Lord Tammerlain said:

You also have to include the cost of being pregnant and giving birth in a hospital. Not to mention 5 month or so a the persons life put on hold

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And the other obligations and commitments they have to others put on hold or unfulfilled. Esp. if they miss work or lose a job. Many have responsibilities to other dependents (other kids, siblings, elderly, disabled) that need food and the rent paid.

Only the individual woman knows her circumstances and risks and needs and can make that choice.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Elvira said:

It's definitely the unselfish way...

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Let us all know when you give give birth and give up the child so we can celebrate your unselfishness.

weaver2 said:

Let us all know when you give give birth and give up the child so we can celebrate your unselfishness.

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I would rather do that than kill it, that's for sure...

Once pregnant, giving birth is the path of least resistance. Many women on drugs, alcoholics, esp those on the streets, just dont do anything...and they end up giving birth.

For women that dont give crap about being pregnant, still continue to drink, smoke, do drugs, get STDs, etc...they dont eat properly, they dont take prenatal vitamins, dont see Drs, and their babies have a much higher risk of physical and mental defects and emotional disorders.

And then those poor kids have even less chance of being adopted. The foster care system if full of these kids. They end up being wards of the state. At 18 it's either more institutions or turned loose in society with many more disadvantages.

To intentionally encourage this is cruel and overall damaging to society.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Lursa said:

IMO it's unethical to encourage a woman to give birth unnecessarily when there are more than 100,000 children already available in the US for adoption. (Not in foster care, that # is 400,000).

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Fortunately not your decision what other women can and cannot do with their bodies.

Drawdown said:

Fortunately not your decision what other women can and cannot do with their bodies.

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Of course that's completely true. That's what it means to be pro-choice.

Thank you. :2wave:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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The issue is not whether to carry a fetus to term and give birth vs. having an abortion. The issue is, who gets to decide? This is no easy choice, but it is the mother's choice, period. The choice does not fall to the government, to any church, to a panel of deciders, whoever they may be. It is the decision of the potential mother and no one else.

Don't believe in abortion? That's OK. Lots of people don't. So, don't have one. It's your choice.

weaver2 said:

Just give birth and give it up, no big deal, birth is a natural process for women they do it all the time. Not so fast, those of you who say adoption is the solution to abortion.
*What are the odds of dying during childbirth? Unfortunately, the risk of dying during childbirth, especially in America, is high. It’s 170 micromorts*or 24 deaths per 100,000 live births.


So next some anti-abortion schmuck tell you just give birth and put it up for adoption instead of aborting invite him to go skydiving


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It ends up being about 800 deaths/yr in the US due to pregnancy & childbirth...and they are mostly unpredictable. My friend's wife died in childbirth, completely unpredicted. It was her 2nd, and the baby was lost too. (I know of 2 other women that died in childbirth too)

And then there are another 86,000 women who suffer severe and/or permanent health damage from things like stroke, kidney failure, aneurysm, pre-eclampsia, etc. Their lives are never the same, a family may lose a breadwinner, or the mother may not even be able to be a full time caregiver.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Lord Tammerlain said:

You also have to include the cost of being pregnant and giving birth in a hospital. Not to mention 5 months or so the person's life put on hold

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Only 5 months? More like 7 for many women.

Elvira said:

It's definitely the unselfish way...

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Unselfish way to who?

Not the human life nobody wants and is incapable of thinking or perceiving anything, obviously. It is just a clump of human cells for several weeks anyway.

Elvira said:

I would rather do that than kill it, that's for sure...

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What if you were in pain and throwing up every morning and put on bed rest? What if you had diabetes and dangerously high blood pressure? WHAT IF YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO DIE WITHOUT AN ABORTION?

Blue Donkey said:

What if you were in pain and throwing up every morning and put on bed rest? What if you had diabetes and dangerously high blood pressure? What if you had to choose between your life and the baby's life?

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If if and buts were candy and nuts...:roll:

Elvira said:

If if and buts were candy and nuts...:roll:

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They are legitimate questions...which you have no counter-argument for it appears.

So then she's right in that women are certainly justified in abortion and not selfish.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Blue Donkey said:

What if you were in pain and throwing up every morning and put on bed rest? What if you had diabetes and dangerously high blood pressure? WHAT IF YOU KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO DIE WITHOUT AN ABORTION?

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Just as an aside, many women do choose to risk their lives to give birth in such situations.

The real point there tho, is that it is their choice.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Elvira said:

If if and buts were candy and nuts.

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My questions are the exact opposite of candy and nuts.

You made an "if" statement yourself, so you have no reason to criticize mine.

Lursa is right. If you do not answer my questions directly with perfect rebuttals, you have absolutely no arguments at all. There is no reason to dodge the questions I asked - NONE. So I will keep asking until you answer.

Blue Donkey said:

My questions are the exact opposite of candy and nuts.

You made an "if" statement yourself, so you have no reason to criticize mine.

Lursa is right. If you do not answer my questions directly with perfect rebuttals, you have absolutely no argument at all.

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My convictions are my convictions and nothing or no one is gonna change that, so you're barkin' up the wrong tree...rebuttal enough for ya?

Dunno if anyone's crunched the numbers but what is the ratio of unwanted pregnancies to couples seeking to adopt? In other words, if all of those unwanted pregnancies resulted in births (minus any natural miscarriages) and all those babies were put up for adoption, would there be enough parents to adopt them all?

Elvira said:

My convictions are my convictions and nothing or no one is gonna change that, so you're barkin' up the wrong tree...rebuttal enough for ya?

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Well, it is a 'discussion' forum. It's easy enough to dismiss your 'convictions' then.

As in, "mythical man in space say no-no, so..." and people snicker and move on to actual discussion.


Even some of us Christians dismiss it as not His Word.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Lursa said:

Well, it is a 'discussion' forum. It's easy enough to dismiss your 'convictions' then.

As in, "mythical man in space say no-no, so..." and people snicker and move on to actual discussion.


Even some of us Christians dismiss it as not His Word.

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As I dismiss yours...no true Christian will take an innocent human life before it even begins...no one's snickering at anyone who does...it's more like repulsion...

Elvira said:

As I dismiss yours...no true Christian will take an innocent human life before it even begins...

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False!

See, that was easy.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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weaver2 said:

Let us all know when you give give birth and give up the child so we can celebrate your unselfishness.

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ah, the OP who encourages women to conceive and place their child for adoption then condescends towards someone who endorses his view

wonder if such condemnation, in the work place, by the family, 'friends', and associates motivates the woman to adopt the adoption recommendation