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A question for religious conservatives.

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If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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Sorry to point this out, but that's one hell of a loaded question.
 
Lisa said:
It was intentional.
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Alright, the only reasons I can see for any kind of study of the fetus being necessary. Is to determine if the child will be able to form properly and come to term as a healthy child. The only time that abortion should be ready after such a test, is in case the child has no real chance of being born into a normal and health life, with the mothers consent, or if it's too much of a risk to the mother in general.

We are nowhere near the point in medical science that we could even begin to notice something so unique in their genetic makeup and by the time we are able to. We'll most likely have custom order children at that point.
 
Oborosen said:
Alright, the only reasons I can see for any kind of study of the fetus being necessary. Is to determine if the child will be able to form properly and come to term as a healthy child. The only time that abortion should be ready after such a test, is in case the child has no real chance of being born into a normal and health life, with the mothers consent, or if it's too much of a risk to the mother in general.

We are nowhere near the point in medical science that we could even begin to notice something so unique in their genetic makeup and by the time we are able to. We'll most likely have custom order children at that point.
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You are missing the point of the question.

I am asking if there was a test, not that there is, would they support about in that situation if the child would be LGBT. Is the hated of LGBT people greater than their opposition to abortion?
 
Lisa said:
You are missing the point of the question.

I am asking if there was a test, not that there is, would they support about in that situation if the child would be LGBT. Is the hated of LGBT people greater than their opposition to abortion?
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The only ones you are going to find, that even remotely see it like that and that would say yes. Are groups like those Westboro Baptist idiots.

Christianity as a whole, has not operated like this for a long, long time.
 
Oborosen said:
The only ones you are going to find, that even remotely see it like that and that would say yes. Are groups like those Westboro Baptist idiots.

Christianity as a whole, has not operated like this for a long, long time.
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Religious conservatives hate LGBT people and oppose their equal rights or even their open existance.
 
Lisa said:
Religious conservatives hate LGBT people and oppose their equal rights or even their open existance.
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That's what you think they believe. While on a whole, we can see that this simply isn't the case.

You're basically taking a stab at Christian conservatives, even though you are also forgetting that Christianity exist in more areas than just conservatism.

If you want someone that opposes equal rights for the LGBT community, or even their existence. Then the US is not the place you should be looking.
 
Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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I would never deny my child because of gender orientation or lack of religious belief. My wife is a devout Catholic and I am an atheist, so we have a mixed marriage. :) I love all my kids, no matter what. I would not approve of their orientation, but I would tolerate it. Much as my wife tolerates my lack of faith. And abortion would be out of the question.
 
Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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The answer is No but this really is a ridiculous question. Your inference is that somone being gay or an atheist is more detestable than human life. As a result there is no reason to assume a rational person could have a decent conversation with you. Its not for anyone of us to decide the quality of someones life but rather to protect their life.

Same question to you, if this supposed test of yours indicated with 100% certainty your child was going to grow,up to be a christian would you kill the baby?
 
Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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Given the religious, cultural and personal intolerance of conservative Evangelical and Catholic Christian's for the LGBT population, given the number of LGBT people that have been killed, raped, maimed, beaten up, spit on and refused service by conservative E&C Christians, given the discriminatory laws attempted and passed by conservative E&C Christians why would I want my beautiful, treasured, loved child subjected to Evangelical and Catholic hatred, bigotry and violence for the rest of her/his life. Yes, if I knew 100% that my child would be gay I would not give it life. It would be one less child that despicable E&C people could use to satisfy the sick pleasure they take in their disgusting religious bigotry.

In a heartbeat. Life is hard enough without having to live with religious hatred aimed at you every day of your life.
 
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Ignatius said:
The answer is No but this really is a ridiculous question. Your inference is that someone being gay or an atheist is more detestable than human life. As a result, there is no reason to assume a rational person could have a decent conversation with you. Its not for anyone of us to decide the quality of someones life but rather to protect their life.
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1.)Religious conservatives do feel that they have the right to decide the quality of life of others as well as what rights they enjoy because of their own religious beliefs. That is a fact of the last 300 years of American history. Every attack on the rights of LGBT people has been defended by its a claimed violation of their religious beliefs to treat LGBT as equal as well as their civil rights, medical care, and other areas. They feel that everyone must obey their religious delusions and that their relgious delusions get to decide what rights other enjoy, even when others are members of other churches or non at all. Jesus wasnt a bigot, but he only apples a few days a year to these people.

2.) Religious conservatives concern for the fetus ends as soon as the fetus becomes a child with physical needs such as a house, food, clothing, love, education, and others. The fetus is only useful when conservatives can attack the mother's decision because the Right to Life moe vement is a farce because it is and has always been nothing but the right to make the decisions for women by religious belief and to make certain that she is not equal to a man. The fact that abortion is condoned in many places of the bible is lost of those hypocrites.

3.) My daughter is Christian. Your question is answered.
 
Lisa said:
1.)Religious conservatives do feel that they have the right to decide the quality of life of others as well as what rights they enjoy because of their own religious beliefs. That is a fact of the last 300 years of American history. Every attack on the rights of LGBT people has been defended by its a claimed violation of their religious beliefs to treat LGBT as equal as well as their civil rights, medical care, and other areas. They feel that everyone must obey their religious delusions and that their relgious delusions get to decide what rights other enjoy, even when others are members of other churches or non at all. Jesus wasnt a bigot, but he only apples a few days a year to these people.

2.) Religious conservatives concern for the fetus ends as soon as the fetus becomes a child with physical needs such as a house, food, clothing, love, education, and others. The fetus is only useful when conservatives can attack the mother's decision because the Right to Life moe vement is a farce because it is and has always been nothing but the right to make the decisions for women by religious belief and to make certain that she is not equal to a man. The fact that abortion is condoned in many places of the bible is lost of those hypocrites.

3.) My daughter is Christian. Your question is answered.
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You seem to be spoiling for a fight for some reason. I'm a Christian and nothing you've wrote describes me or my family. I believe my job is to raise a child in a safe and nurturing environment. It is not up to me to decide who they are going to be. I will love them the same whatever their future holds. Furthermore, I have enough of my own issues to work on than to worry about passing judgement on every Tom, Dick and Harry.
 
Lisa said:
1.)Religious conservatives do feel that they have the right to decide the quality of life of others as well as what rights they enjoy because of their own religious beliefs. That is a fact of the last 300 years of American history. Every attack on the rights of LGBT people has been defended by its a claimed violation of their religious beliefs to treat LGBT as equal as well as their civil rights, medical care, and other areas. They feel that everyone must obey their religious delusions and that their relgious delusions get to decide what rights other enjoy, even when others are members of other churches or non at all. Jesus wasnt a bigot, but he only apples a few days a year to these people.

2.) Religious conservatives concern for the fetus ends as soon as the fetus becomes a child with physical needs such as a house, food, clothing, love, education, and others. The fetus is only useful when conservatives can attack the mother's decision because the Right to Life moe vement is a farce because it is and has always been nothing but the right to make the decisions for women by religious belief and to make certain that she is not equal to a man. The fact that abortion is condoned in many places of the bible is lost of those hypocrites.

3.) My daughter is Christian. Your question is answered.
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First of all there is no such thing as lgtbqxyz rights. The rest of that rant is drivel.

Next you think killing babies best deals with the problems of providign food shelter clothing and love to children. More drivel. The not equal to men comment is more funny than stupid but it's high on both counts

Last there is nothing I care less about then whether or not your daughter is a Christian.
 
Ignatius said:
Its not for anyone of us to decide the quality of someones life but rather to protect their life.
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That wasn't the question.

The question was if you knew with 100% foreknowledge that your child would be born with a genetic combination that would make that child the butt of religious hatred, religious violence, religious bigotry, death, legal punishment, incarceration, denial of rights, ridicule and shunning and you couldn't protect it as a child or as an adult would you abort that child? And my answer is yes. Why would I want to subject my beautiful, incredible, beloved child to the the hatefulness and violence of the moral cretins of conservative evangelical and Catholic Christianity.
 
Ignatius said:
First of all there is no such thing as lgtbqxyz rights. The rest of that rant is drivel.

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This is exactly what I was referring to. You just confined my statement. You like other religious conservatives do not believe in equal rights for LGBT people when they are different from your own religious beliefs.

Nobody is killing babies so drop the emotional strawman.
Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
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You asked me if I would abort a fetus if I knew it would be christian. The fact that my daughter is Christian is proof that i would not.
 
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Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

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not at all, everybody deserves a life
 
Artymoon said:
You seem to be spoiling for a fight for some reason. I'm a Christian and nothing you've wrote describes me or my family. I believe my job is to raise a child in a safe and nurturing environment. It is not up to me to decide who they are going to be. I will love them the same whatever their future holds. Furthermore, I have enough of my own issues to work on than to worry about passing judgement on every Tom, Dick and Harry.
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Your statement suggests that you are not a religious conservative or fundamentalist, who my thread is aimed at.

I have posed this same question in three forums and I have received positive answers from a handful of religious conservatives that yes, they would support abortion if they knew the child would be LGBT. That illustrates just how hypocritical their supposed pro-life views are.
 
Lisa said:
If there was a amniocentesis test that was 100% accurate that could determine if the fetus would group up to be LGBT or maybe an atheist would you then support abortion?

Keep the responses civil and on-topic. If you cannot do that then please do not respond.
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A few issues to note, and appreciate this coming from someone who is far from religious conservatives.

It is difficult to paint all religious conservatives exactly the same, not everyone in that category will answer your very loaded and entrapping question the same way. Even if someone were asinine enough to say they would all of a sudden support abortion because of the scenario you put forth that does not win any real debate.

You are intentionally pitting far right conservative opinions on LGBT against far right conservative opinions on abortion, but totally ignoring that religious conservatives have varying opinions as well on what to do about someone LGBT. Some may say something along the lines of banishment from family, some may offer suppression or that "conversion" ****, others may have all sort of opinions on what to do never falling into your trap of all of a sudden being hypocritically okay with abortion.

Your own responses pretty much destroyed your own request on civility.

I cannot imagine why you thought this thread would end well.
 
OrphanSlug said:
A few issues to note, and appreciate this coming from someone who is far from religious conservatives.

It is difficult to paint all religious conservatives exactly the same, not everyone in that category will answer your very loaded and entrapping question the same way. Even if someone were asinine enough to say they would all of a sudden support abortion because of the scenario you put forth that does not win any real debate.

You are intentionally pitting far right conservative opinions on LGBT against far right conservative opinions on abortion, but totally ignoring that religious conservatives have varying opinions as well on what to do about someone LGBT. Some may say something along the lines of banishment from family, some may offer suppression or that "conversion" ****, others may have all sort of opinions on what to do never falling into your trap of all of a sudden being hypocritically okay with abortion.

Your own responses pretty much destroyed your own request on civility.

I cannot imagine why you thought this thread would end well.
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1.) I knew that it had the strong tendency be very controversial. That is why I added the note to please be polite at the bottom of the OP.

2.) It is a yes or no answer that religious conservatives can answer.
 
Lisa said:
Your statement suggests that you are not a religious conservative or fundamentalist, who my thread is aimed at.

I have posed this same question in three forums and I have received positive answers from a handful of religious conservatives that yes, they would support abortion if they knew the child would be LGBT. That illustrates just how hypocritical their supposed pro-life views are.
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Actually, I was raised fundamentalist, have a brother who is gay and the family is still rocking on together without missing a beat. I attend a conservative church and personally don't know of anyone who expresses that view on abortion. Maybe some people here feel emboldened hiding behind a keyboard or just simply wish to push buttons. The only thing I know is that when I face judgement, I have to answer for my life, not how anyone else here lived theirs.
 
Lisa said:
This is exactly what I was referring to. You just confined my statement. You like other religious conservatives do not believe in equal rights for LGBT people when they are different from your own religious beliefs.

Nobody is killing babies so drop the emotional strawman.


You asked me if I would abort a fetus if I knew it would be christian. The fact that my daughter is Christian is proof that i would not.
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Look you are not entitled to rights because you are lgtbqxyz. We do not have rights based on what groups we belong to. Its asinine to sguggest there is such a thing as lgtbqxyz rights. It has nothing to do with religion but you have been brainswashed so it's not entirely your fault. If only you could think for yourself.

Its exactly what you're doing which ish I why you want it dropped. Stop being your usual totalitarian self.

That doesn't answer the question but thanks?
 
Lisa said:
Religious conservatives hate LGBT people and oppose their equal rights or even their open existance.
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There's a very large difference between thinking same sex kissing and other sexual acts are "icky", opposing same sex marriage, etc. and wanting to KILL them. The former is just dumb - who cares who marries who and what they do between consenting adults? The latter is just evil. People who "hate" LGBT people are just dumb, small-minded and think their way is the only way. People who want to KILL LGBT people are another breed.
 
Lisa said:
Your statement suggests that you are not a religious conservative or fundamentalist, who my thread is aimed at.

I have posed this same question in three forums and I have received positive answers from a handful of religious conservatives that yes, they would support abortion if they knew the child would be LGBT. That illustrates just how hypocritical their supposed pro-life views are.
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Are you surprised there are a handful of hypocrites inside a huge movement?
 
Oborosen said:
Sorry to point this out, but that's one hell of a loaded question.
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I think that was the idea. It's a very good question IMO, and I wonder how many religious conservatives will answer it. A simple yes or no is really all that's necessary.
 
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