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Women that give birth when the father wants an abortion should have to support that child alone.

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A man that didn't want to be a father in the first place should not be on the hook for 18 years because the woman unilaterally decided not to terminate the pregnancy. There's way too much bias and sexism when it comes to men and fatherhood. If a woman can decide not to accept the responsibility of being a parent a man should have that option as well. Women have an out if they want one while the next 18 years of a man's life is dependent on the decisions of the woman. Independent women making independent decisions should be independently responsible for those decisions.
 
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The notion that a woman may want to make decisions for her own body really ticks some people off.

Anyway, what's with all the abortion threads in the General Political Discussion forum?
 
No government in the world is going to force a woman to have an abortion.
 
Cardinal said:
The notion that a woman may want to make decisions for her own body really ticks some people off.

Anyway, what's with all the abortion threads in the General Political Discussion forum?
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I wouldn't call this an abortion thread because whether or not abortion is okay is not really the topic of discussion. I noticed that you failed to contribute anything. Do you agree that a man should also have an out when it comes to parenthood, or should it only be men that get trapped while women have complete control?
 
swing_voter said:
No government in the world is going to force a woman to have an abortion.
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No kidding, but they could stop trapping men into 18 years of child support for a child they never wanted in the first place.
 
Cardinal said:
The notion that a woman may want to make decisions for her own body really ticks some people off.

Anyway, what's with all the abortion threads in the General Political Discussion forum?
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It's time for the good old fashioned wedge issue that never goes away.
 
Great, more insanity masquerading as advancing the subject.

And people wonder why this is so polarizing.
 
swing_voter said:
No government in the world is going to force a woman to have an abortion.
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Or force them to have the baby, am I right? If the father doesn't want to raise a child then the woman needs to man up and agree to raise it alone.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Or force them to have the baby, am I right? If the father doesn't want to raise a child then the woman needs to man up and agree to raise it alone.
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Damn straight. Men should have an out just like women do. The situation is horribly sexist.
 
When people get together to have sex both parties know pregnancy can happen therefore both must accept responsibility for a new child no matter what. Men do not understand the emotional stress a woman experiences when
terminating a pregnancy. And some simply do not give a sh_t.

Men could keep the penis in the pants and tell women NO. The bottom line is pregnancy cannot happen without semen and the source of semen is men. So without men there are no pregnancies therefore men are the problem not the
woman.

Men do have an out = don't have sex.
 
Razoo said:
When people get together to have sex both parties know pregnancy can happen therefore both must accept responsibility for a new child no matter what. Men do not understand the emotional stress a woman experiences when
terminating a pregnancy. And some simply do not give a sh_t.

Men could keep the penis in the pants and tell women NO. The bottom line is pregnancy cannot happen without semen and the source of semen is men. So without men there are no pregnancies therefore men are the problem not the
woman.

Men do have an out = don't have sex.
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This rationale could be used to say women shouldn't have access to abortion. If women can decide not to be responsible for a child a man should be able to make that decision too. By the way, pregnancy can't happen without an egg either. What's the source of those?
 
I agree, unles they're already in a relationship/household with children and he's already co-supporting. Generally speaking if a guy knocks a girl up then wants out, he shouldn't be financially responsible if she chooses to raise the child without him.

I'm prolly just saying it cuz I really cannot stand children.
 
uptower said:
I agree, unles they're already in a relationship/household with children and he's already co-supporting. Generally speaking if a guy knocks a girl up then wants out, he shouldn't be financially responsible if she chooses to raise the child without him.

I'm prolly just saying it cuz I really cannot stand children.
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You're saying it because you're reasonable.

Props.
 
dex4974 said:
A man that didn't want to be a father in the first place should not be on the hook for 18 years because the woman unilaterally decided not to terminate the pregnancy. There's way too much bias and sexism when it comes to men and fatherhood. If a woman can decide not to accept the responsibility of being a parent a man should have that option as well. Women have an out if they want one while the next 18 years of a man's life is dependent on the decisions of the woman. Independent women making independent decisions should be independently responsible for those decisions.
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Get a vasectomy and then goad women to have your baby.
 
dex4974 said:
A man that didn't want to be a father in the first place should not be on the hook for 18 years because the woman unilaterally decided not to terminate the pregnancy. There's way too much bias and sexism when it comes to men and fatherhood. If a woman can decide not to accept the responsibility of being a parent a man should have that option as well. Women have an out if they want one while the next 18 years of a man's life is dependent on the decisions of the woman. Independent women making independent decisions should be independently responsible for those decisions.
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Or maybe not have sex with her in the first place, if he really doesn't want to be a father.
 
dex4974 said:
A man that didn't want to be a father in the first place should not be on the hook for 18 years because the woman unilaterally decided not to terminate the pregnancy. There's way too much bias and sexism when it comes to men and fatherhood. If a woman can decide not to accept the responsibility of being a parent a man should have that option as well. Women have an out if they want one while the next 18 years of a man's life is dependent on the decisions of the woman. Independent women making independent decisions should be independently responsible for those decisions.
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I don't disagree with this, but it's not that simple. Do we allow fathers to reassert their parental rights at a later date? Or do we force fathers to waive their rights for 18 yrs? Both options can present problems.
 
armycowboy said:
Or maybe not have sex with her in the first place, if he really doesn't want to be a father.
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Do you also think women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to be mothers? What is your stance on abortion again? The board is tilted. Men are being raked over the coals.
 
swing_voter said:
No government in the world is going to force a woman to have an abortion.
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That's not really the point.

It's about a man's right to assume (or in this case, alienate) liability when it comes to being the father of a child; which is actually completely fair and logical IMO.
 
Michael Cole said:
I don't disagree with this, but it's not that simple. Do we allow fathers to reassert their parental rights at a later date? Or do we force fathers to waive their rights for 18 yrs? Both options can present problems.
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I think if a father wants out he should be out unless the mother agrees to something different down the road. He decided not to be a father so he should have to deal with the consequences of that decision. It's not his child anymore.
 
dex4974 said:
Do you also think women shouldn't have sex if they don't want to be mothers? What is your stance on abortion again? The board is tilted. Men are being raked over the coals.
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I'm pro choice. Once the woman is pregnant, the ball is in her court.
 
My stance is:

- Women should have the legally sanctioned right to abort whenever they want and as much as they want

- Men should have the legally sanctioned right to abandon a child they do not want to support
 
Cardinal said:
The notion that a woman may want to make decisions for her own body really ticks some people off.

Anyway, what's with all the abortion threads in the General Political Discussion forum?
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As does the notion that men should control the spoils of their own labor.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Or force them to have the baby, am I right? If the father doesn't want to raise a child then the woman needs to man up and agree to raise it alone.
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No, the woman has the baby and state forces you to pay child support.

We taxpayers are not paying for your mistake.

There was this engineer who refused to pay for his kid. He lived in jail for four years before paying up.
 
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