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Women that give birth when the father wants an abortion should have to support that child alone.

dex4974 said:
A man that didn't want to be a father in the first place should not be on the hook for 18 years because the woman unilaterally decided not to terminate the pregnancy. There's way too much bias and sexism when it comes to men and fatherhood. If a woman can decide not to accept the responsibility of being a parent a man should have that option as well. Women have an out if they want one while the next 18 years of a man's life is dependent on the decisions of the woman. Independent women making independent decisions should be independently responsible for those decisions.
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Wear a condom if a man does not want to be on the hook for 18 years of child support. A $6 box of condoms is a bargain compared to the alternative, think with the right head.
 
soylentgreen said:
If this is your effort on fighting for civil rights then what a wasted effort.
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I'm quite sure everyone who has ever fought for civil rights was told the same thing.
 
yankintx said:
Wear a condom if a man does not want to be on the hook for 18 years of child support. A $6 box of condoms is a bargain compared to the alternative, think with the right head.
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Again this is the pro.life argument....use birth control if you dont want to get pregnant
 
vegas giants said:
Again this is the pro.life argument....use birth control if you dont want to get pregnant
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It's not just a pro life argument, it's common sense for ALL men.
 
yankintx said:
It's not just a pro life argument, it's common sense for ALL men.
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You mean for all PEOPLE. That argument should never be used to deny a right
 
yankintx said:
It's not just a pro life argument, it's common sense for ALL men.
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And that's a lie anyway. THe pro-life argument is that you have to use bc (or not have sex) if you dont want 'consequences' but they dont accept abortion as a consequence.

And abortion is a consequence...painful, can lead to infertility, and rarely even death.

But what's inconvenient for this 'opt out' narrative is that women cant be forced to choose the 'consequence' that these men want...which IS (usually) abortion. That couldnt be farther from the pro-life argument.



This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
And that's a lie anyway. THe pro-life argument is that you have to use bc (or not have sex) if you dont want 'consequences' but they dont accept abortion as a consequence.

And abortion is a consequence...painful, can lead to infertility, and rarely even death.

But what's inconvenient for this 'opt out' narrative is that women cant be forced to choose the 'consequence' that these men want...which IS (usually) abortion. That couldnt be farther from the pro-life argument.
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Face it. All you have are pro life arguments. You demand men be responsible.....but care less if women are
 
Lursa said:
And that's a lie anyway. THe pro-life argument is that you have to use bc (or not have sex) if you dont want 'consequences' but they dont accept abortion as a consequence.

And abortion is a consequence...painful, can lead to infertility, and rarely even death.

But what's inconvenient for this 'opt out' narrative is that women cant be forced to choose the 'consequence' that these men want...which IS (usually) abortion. That couldnt be farther from the pro-life argument.
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It takes two to get pregnant. Or is this a man hating thread?
 
yankintx said:
It takes two to get pregnant. Or is this a man hating thread?
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Not man hating at all. They make themselves out to be victims here, unable to control themselves or make good decisions.

I vehemently disagree with that.

I hold both 100% equally accountable. If you dont want the consequences of a pregnancy, dont have sex. GOes equally for men and women. But as I wrote, the consequences for women are different and that's determined mostly by biology...not hatred of men or $$ or the law.

And in most cases, it still works out better for the men.

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And women cannot escape the consequences of a pregnancy.

There are only 4 options:

--have a kid
--have a miscarriage
--have an abortion
--die during pregnancy/childbirth.

And the woman can die or suffer severe health harm during the first 3 as well. Those are all serious consequences.

So again: women cannot escape the consequences of a pregnancy. Men can, in all but one of those scenarios.

This is why it's a joke when someone claims 'it's not equal.'​

$$ is the consequence that men face (it would be great if they did get more involved as fathers tho)...$$, compared to severe health consequences, death, pain, sickness, inability to fulfill responsibilities and commitments to family, employer, community, etc.

It's not fair...it cant be, biology here cant be changed. But 'equal?' Please...it's obvious the scale of 'equality' is heavily weighted towards men.


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
Not man hating at all. They make themselves out to be victims here, unable to control themselves or make good decisions.

I vehemently disagree with that.

I hold both 100% equally accountable. If you dont want the consequences of a pregnancy, dont have sex. GOes equally for men and women. But as I wrote, the consequences for women are different and that's determined mostly by biology...not hatred of men or $$ or the law.

And in most cases, it still works out better for the men.

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And women cannot escape the consequences of a pregnancy.

There are only 4 options:

--have a kid
--have a miscarriage
--have an abortion
--die during pregnancy/childbirth.

And the woman can die or suffer severe health harm during the first 3 as well. Those are all serious consequences.

So again: women cannot escape the consequences of a pregnancy. Men can, in all but one of those scenarios.

This is why it's a joke when someone claims 'it's not equal.'​
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Finances have nothing to do with biology.


Why lie about it?
 
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