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    Pro-life or anti-choice?

    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

    How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?
    jumping to conclusions

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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

    How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

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    jumping to conclusions
    Thanks for removing your sarcastic comment.
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    Thanks for removing your sarcastic comment.
    yeah I thought it was bad taste

    anyway, why do you think pro-lifers think like this

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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?
    I'll bet you don't support her right to control her own body either. For example, I doubt you support her right to sell sexual favors to men or to ingest whatever drugs she wants without government permission, which is equivalent to being "controlled by men" as you put it.

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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by TypicalRussian View Post
    jumping to conclusions
    Yes, severely so.
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

    How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
    Hyperbole:

    You're at a 13 right now... we could use you at a 4, maybe even a 3..
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

    How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
    Let me preface my response with a declaration of my positions. First that I am Pro-Choice as shown by my record in this Forum. Second that I am also well-aware of the biological process which informs my opinions on which phases of said process allow for such a choice, and which should not.

    I am also on record as to my opinion about arguing one's feelings, as opposed to rational thought.

    So I am not going to argue either emotion or religion. I do argue for both individual responsibility and also individual rights.

    As to individual responsibility? Individuals are responsible for their actions. The should take measures so that they do not find themselves is such situation, but if they do they must be responsible for making the right choice.

    There is a Caveat: Individual Rights. Such rights can be limited by society under the rule of law to protect the lives and property of others.

    Thus as to rights? It is my opinion that a woman has absolute rights to control over their own bodies, as do men. But they also have to recognize the rights of others, and in our society one of those is the right to life.

    Therefore, I hold that it should be the woman's choice to abort at any time prior to the point where the developing fetus can be legally determined a "person" (human being). But at the point in it's development it is determined to be a "person," he/she should be accorded the same rights and protections as any other individual absent risk to the life of the mother.

    Now an argument can be made regarding "at what point this shift occurs," and that is a different segment of the discussion. But that is not about whether a woman has a right to abort or not, as I say she does. No, it is when this choice has become one between removing an "unwanted growth," and the "killing of an unwanted child."

    To point out the extreme; One could argue that since the "growth" took place inside a woman, why would a choice to "abort it" end just because it is born? After all, it remains a "burden" to the woman thereafter unless she can find some other way to get rid of it.

    We know this is not a valid way of viewing the situation, as even the most extreme view allows for the declaration of "humanity" when the child is born. How then must we assume that right up UNTIL it is actually born, it remains disposable?

    So while I argue a woman has the right to choose, it has a "time limit" before it cedes to the right of the unborn "child" to life.
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    Re: Pro-life or anti-choice?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Donkey View Post
    If you oppose abortion, does only the objective, factual knowledge of biological human development from zygote to adult matter? Or do you think women need to be controlled by men and are too stupid to deserve bodily autonomy rights?

    How smart are you about gynecology and obstetrics? Do you fully understand how women feel when they are pregnant with potential offspring that have only a 1/3 chance of being born?
    Really easy. I'm for choice, Your choice. If you don't want to have a baby, keep your pants on and the chances are slim you will conceive. If you want a baby, get with it and you likely will get pregnant. IF you don't want a baby abstinence works,. If you aren't mature enough to keep from getting pregnant you probably don't need to be having sexual relations.

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