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Pro-life or anti-choice?

Scrabaholic said:
Why are you defending lying and tricking people?
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I'm not. Why are you willing to deny care and support to women in need?

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TypicalRussian said:
no it shouldnt be the law, what so ever!
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But it is the law, and it should be the law because interfering with a woman's private medical business is none of your damned business.
 
TypicalRussian said:
nope.
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wrong as usual. Your god (I assume) is not that bothered about abortion, the bible used it as punishment, so god is OK with it, seems silly his followers are whining about it as much.
 
cpwill said:
Sadly, evidently, not. You want women to have the choice to have an abortion, but don't like organizations that exist to gice young women in hard straits who may feel that they don't have a choice options. You don't like the organizations that exist to support women if they choose not to have an abortion.

You are prioritizing supporting abortion over supporting women's actual ability to make and be supported in choosing.
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Find that post where OceanBlue! says she supports abortions only and quit making up stupid accusations with no support. The movement is called pro-choice because all choices are open and deemed the right choice for that woman in her situation. Read the regulations for abortion clinics. The federal government requires that all candidates for abortion be given information on services that can help with birth and post natal care. Guess what organizations don't have to give out any information on abortion: the religiously controlled and run crisis pregnancy centers.

You can find information on crisis pregnancy centers (CPC) on the internet. In general their reviews are not flattering and it is obvious to those encountering them that they are in the business of birth at all costs. That is not helping or supporting women with decisions to make about adding a member to the family when thy many not be able to support a new chid.This is harassing a confused patient into choosing exactly what you want them to choose. This kind of action is illegal, a federal offense, if done in PP. Are there some CPC that really are helpful and supportive with out being ideological. There are and may they live long and prosper.

The beauty of choice is that a woman can choose what she thinks is best for her family , herself and for the potential child.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I am prochoice. I am very much in favour of giving care to women in need.
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Evidently not as much as you are interested in attacking those from the other tribe who would provide them such care :(
 
weaver2 said:
Find that post where OceanBlue! says she supports abortions only and quit making up stupid accusations with no support.
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:snorts: didn't you just spend multiple pages on a baseless conspiracy theory in which pro lifers didn't actually believe what they said they believed, but had to believe what you found most convenient for them to believe?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have seen you use propaganda as much as I have seen you use logic... never.
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My brain would explode if I did not use logic. Chances are I am logical in every post to the people who want to believe me.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Chances are I am logical in every post to the people who want to believe me.
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Can't make this **** up!

:lol: In your post to say that you are logical you don't use logic... instead you guess. :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have seen you use propaganda as much as I have seen you use logic... never.
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Sure, everybody uses things that other see as propaganda, but logic is in the eye of the beholder and others that agree with him/her. I find loads of posts other think are logical as illogical as hell. A good portion of mine are illogical to those who disagree with me, hey sometimes afterwards even I think I was not all that logical.

This post of yours also is totally illogical because claiming someone is never logical is.... well totally illogical.
 
Peter King said:
Sure, everybody uses things that other see as propaganda, but logic is in the eye of the beholder and others that agree with him/her. I find loads of posts other think are logical as illogical as hell. A good portion of mine are illogical to those who disagree with me, hey sometimes afterwards even I think I was not all that logical.

This post of yours also is totally illogical because claiming someone is never logical is.... well totally illogical.
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WRONG.

Anybody that has seen her posts understands that it is an absolute.
 
Bodhisattva said:
WRONG.

Anybody that has seen her posts understands that it is an absolute.
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Nope, you are wrong. You thinking she is illogical is based on your views, not on reality. As said in my previous post, logic is in the eye of the beholder (and those who agree with the one who posted a post.
 
Peter King said:
Nope, you are wrong. You thinking she is illogical is based on your views, not on reality. As said in my previous post, logic is in the eye of the beholder (and those who agree with the one who posted a post.
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Get with the program...
 
cpwill said:
:snorts: didn't you just spend multiple pages on a baseless conspiracy theory in which pro lifers didn't actually believe what they said they believed, but had to believe what you found most convenient for them to believe?
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No, I spent multiple pages trying to discuss intelligently your multiple accusations.
 
cpwill said:
Sadly, evidently, not. You want women to have the choice to have an abortion, but don't like organizations that exist to give young women in hard straits who may feel that they don't have a choice options. You don't like the organizations that exist to support women if they choose not to have an abortion.
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Organizations like "crisis pregnancy centers" that purposely lie to and manipulate girls and young women out of having the abortion they really wanted and into having a baby they never wanted in the first place don't deserve being liked IMO.
 
Scrabaholic said:
No, what she doesn't like is organizations lying to or tricking women into not aborting when they want to (abort).
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That's exactly right. And no, I don't like them. I think such organizations deserve all the public verbal criticism they get. Additionally, I hope more teenage girls and young women will educate themselves how to spot (and avoid) CPCs so they don't mistakenly enter one of them if they find themselves wanting an abortion one day.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Women still have the right to choose abortion, no matter what your "preference on abortion" is.
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That is true.

I have found that while I support the legal availability of abortion on demand, I do so absent the reflexively dogmatic reasons offered in mantras from the "Pro-Choice" faithful.

I am thus shunned.

You have joined into the reflexively dogmatic condemnation.

Good for you!
 
Blue Donkey said:
When have you ever seen me use propaganda?
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Anyone who uses what passes for science to justify abortion is using propaganda.

Anyone who uses what they consider to be the word of God is using propaganda.

Everyone who argues this topic using the standard arguments defining this debate is using propaganda.
 
code1211 said:
Anyone who uses what passes for science to justify abortion is using propaganda.

Anyone who uses what they consider to be the word of God is using propaganda.

Everyone who argues this topic using the standard arguments defining this debate is using propaganda.
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Science is a school subject, you know. There is no propaganda in health and biology classes. You just learn all the facts with no emotion from your high school teachers.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Organizations like "crisis pregnancy centers" that purposely lie to and manipulate girls and young women out of having the abortion they really wanted and into having a baby they never wanted in the first place don't deserve being liked IMO.
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So the women don't know what they want or need, but you do, and you know it's an abortion, and therefore you support choice, but not organizations that exist to provide aid for those who make the "wrong" choice. :roll: okay.

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