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Pro-life or anti-choice?

TypicalRussian said:
every gene is different from the mother

it is a human complteely different adn special in its own way
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It is not a human being and it has no rights over that of the pregnant woman. It is her choice, not yours, not the zygote's, not the government, it is HER choice.
 
TypicalRussian said:
better solution:Dont have kids, you must face your consequences

abstinence education doesnt work because todays kids are more influenced by the sex craved culture and church and family is like a toothpick for that
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More nonsense, in order to don't have kids means having an abortion if you accidentally got pregnant.

Abstinence education does not work because kids are not informed about sex, they are kept in the dark about it, making it sneaky/revolting against their parents/elders and when you combine that with raging hormones and peer pressure, you get kids experimenting with sex. You stop that with SEX EDUCATION, both at school AND at home. Church will not stop it, family will not stop it, KNOWLEDGE will stop it. Smart independent and not ignorant children will stop having sex in spite of their church and family.

Abortion should be the last choice that women need to make, and you can make that the last and extreme choice by SEX education, BIRTH prevention and FAIR wages, an end to DISCRIMINATION and teaching kids to be responsible by their parents not acting like total idiots when it comes to SEX. Sex is natural and sex is good, but it is better when done responsibly.

In the past the church preached the rhythm method and the well know coitus interruptus or as we in the Netherlands say "Voor het zingen de kerk uit gaan" (leave the church before the hymns start/singing starts). You know at the moment of "explosion, pull out".

Billy Connolly said it best, if I get to the point of "explosion" a team of wild horses could make my arse go backwards. In other words it is not a full proof method and really can only have been thought up by people who have never had sex in their lives.

Education, birth control, women's rights, financial security, proper housing, affordable healthcare, etc. etc. etc. are the best ways to prevent someone feeling the need to have an abortion. Also societal pressure (as well as religious pressure) to have as many kids or have any kids at all should stop. Women should not be demonized if they choose never to become a mother. That too is freedom of choice.

And yes, I said religious pressure because for decades the (especially catholic church) had a habit of pushing families into having loads of children. When my mother was young, if people (good catholics) had been married for more than a year and there still was no child, the local priest would visit the family to ask them if there were any problems and to ask why they had not had any children. It may seem insane now (not sure if that still happens) but a few decades ago that was the norm in extremely catholic areas in the Netherlands.

Women have liberated themselves from these interfering busybodies and they will not accept it from pro-life interfering busybodies either.
 
TypicalRussian said:
women make up 30% of the economy and spend 70% of it consuming

case closed, make it 50/50 and well talk about women being breadwinners
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So women get lower wages, have to work/clean/childcare/take care of their hubbies and spend money on the economy (usually for their husbands/children/house hold) and then you want to talk about them being breadwinners?

If men and women were equally paid and more men would have the guts to take care of the kids/be house husband, women could actually choose to be the breadwinner, now? Not so much.
 
Blue Donkey said:
AFTER posting links, you continued to insist the "baby" is COMPLETELY different with NONE of the mom's genes and that it is INDEPENDENT of her BEFORE birth. Then you kept denying all of my corrections. If you are going to post a link, read the whole body of text. Then think about what the terminology means in the appropriate context. If you know what conception is, you fully understand it is biologically impossible for a baby to be completely different from the mom. If you know what the placenta and umbilical cord are you fully understand the unborn "baby" is 100% dependent on the mom ALL FORTY WEEKS before birth. And if you knew basic English, you would know "baby" means a BORN human being under one year old and "born" means a human being has been completely OUT of the mom's body.

By the way, my signature comes from being a critical, intelligent, logical, and rational thinker about the Gospels. Jesus preached love, kindness, tolerance, respect, acceptance, empathy, and helping the poor. He did NOT preach making girls and women feel terrible about accidentally getting pregnant and forcing them to stay that way by threatening to lock them up for having abortions, which is all you and other misogynists do to express unwarranted pro-life views.
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Googling, I found the biological definition of a child to be from birth to puberty, while the legal definition was from birth to the age of majority.

The 14th Amendment, Section 1, states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Citizenship, of a newborn individual person is recognized post birth, not prior to birth.

It continues with, "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or prosperity, without the due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Prior to birth, the embryo or fetus/foetus is sole property of the Woman who alone has a Right to bring her creation to fruition, OR NOT.
 
TypicalRussian said:
no traditional values promote goodness,, serving your children well is not enslaving
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I disagree. Slavery promotes nothing good. More often than not, "traditional values" is code for total slavery and oppression for women. And "serving" children is enslaving, for any woman who doesn't want children but is forced to have them. I'm just glad I was never forced to "serve" children or a husband, as I never wanted marriage either.

That's why it is essential for all women to be able to have money of our own, which a good education and training to get good job skills can provide. When each of us has enough of our own money to provide the important things like home, clothing, and food for ourselves, we can decide for ourselves as individuals whether or not we want to marry or have children. That means we can reject both marriage and motherhood if some of us don't want them.
 
TypicalRussian said:
then men need to stop paying for everything in the relationship or stop being expected to. it goes both ways
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Why are you assuming that all men "pay for everything" in the relationship?
 
TypicalRussian said:
slavery is not serving your children and helping your community
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Actually, slavery is forcing women to "serve" people, for no pay whatsoever. I'm not a slave, for children, for husband, or for "community."
 
weaver2 said:
Many women don't want to be "provided for". What's wrong with that?
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I never wanted to be "provided for," not on the essential things like food, clothing, and shelter anyway. I always preferred financial independence, which gives me the freedom to afford those things on my own. I think it's beneficial for all women to have money and freedom.
 
TypicalRussian said:
do what you want but most women are already provided for. women pay less taxes yet consume 70% of the economy.
it is either both are not expected to fill their tradional roles or both are
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Women can reject "traditional roles" if they don't want them. Like marriage and motherhood, for example. Having my own money, provided by a good job with a very nice salary, gave me the freedom to reject the kind of life I didn't want.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Women can reject "traditional roles" if they don't want them. Like marriage and motherhood, for example. Having my own money, provided by a good job with a very nice salary, gave me the freedom to reject the kind of life I didn't want.
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they can but I would advise not to
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Actually, slavery is forcing women to "serve" people, for no pay whatsoever. I'm not a slave, for children, for husband, or for "community."
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so is being employed slavery because your serving your boss

slaves everywhere apprenty!
 
OceanBlues1 said:
I disagree. Slavery promotes nothing good. More often than not, "traditional values" is code for total slavery and oppression for women. And "serving" children is enslaving, for any woman who doesn't want children but is forced to have them. I'm just glad I was never forced to "serve" children or a husband, as I never wanted marriage either.

That's why it is essential for all women to be able to have money of our own, which a good education and training to get good job skills can provide. When each of us has enough of our own money to provide the important things like home, clothing, and food for ourselves, we can decide for ourselves as individuals whether or not we want to marry or have children. That means we can reject both marriage and motherhood if some of us don't want them.
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and raising children isnt good

it is certainly better than going to war to DIE, yall women had it good
 
Peter King said:
So women get lower wages, have to work/clean/childcare/take care of their hubbies and spend money on the economy (usually for their husbands/children/house hold) and then you want to talk about them being breadwinners?

If men and women were equally paid and more men would have the guts to take care of the kids/be house husband, women could actually choose to be the breadwinner, now? Not so much.
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make men sop being expected to paym for the dates and then well talk about economic equality,k?
 
TypicalRussian said:
so is being employed slavery because your serving your boss

slaves everywhere apprenty!
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You did read the post you replied too? I am pretty darned sure OceanBlues1 wrote:

Actually, slavery is forcing women to "serve" people, for no pay whatsoever.
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So your response is just totally illogical because if she serves her boss, SHE WILL GET PAID or else she would be a slave. And ain't nobody wants that.

So no, slaves are not everywhere.
 
TypicalRussian said:
and raising children isnt good

it is certainly better than going to war to DIE, yall women had it good
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Yeah, being forced to serve your husband, keep the house clean, the kids fed, etc. etc. etc. etc. for 60 plus years and have a lot of children/serve and clean after those kids, while not being allowed to work, be free, to study, to have your own bank account, to make medical decisions about your body, choose what they want to do themselves is having it SOO good.

And if you go to war and risk going dying, you would be doing it for the country you love. Another thing women weren't allowed to do for just about forever. Just like not being a priest/bishop, etc. etc. etc.
 
Peter King said:
More nonsense, in order to don't have kids means having an abortion if you accidentally got pregnant.

Abstinence education does not work because kids are not informed about sex, they are kept in the dark about it, making it sneaky/revolting against their parents/elders and when you combine that with raging hormones and peer pressure, you get kids experimenting with sex. You stop that with SEX EDUCATION, both at school AND at home. Church will not stop it, family will not stop it, KNOWLEDGE will stop it. Smart independent and not ignorant children will stop having sex in spite of their church and family.

Abortion should be the last choice that women need to make, and you can make that the last and extreme choice by SEX education, BIRTH prevention and FAIR wages, an end to DISCRIMINATION and teaching kids to be responsible by their parents not acting like total idiots when it comes to SEX. Sex is natural and sex is good, but it is better when done responsibly.

In the past the church preached the rhythm method and the well know coitus interruptus or as we in the Netherlands say "Voor het zingen de kerk uit gaan" (leave the church before the hymns start/singing starts). You know at the moment of "explosion, pull out".

Billy Connolly said it best, if I get to the point of "explosion" a team of wild horses could make my arse go backwards. In other words it is not a full proof method and really can only have been thought up by people who have never had sex in their lives.

Education, birth control, women's rights, financial security, proper housing, affordable healthcare, etc. etc. etc. are the best ways to prevent someone feeling the need to have an abortion. Also societal pressure (as well as religious pressure) to have as many kids or have any kids at all should stop. Women should not be demonized if they choose never to become a mother. That too is freedom of choice.

And yes, I said religious pressure because for decades the (especially catholic church) had a habit of pushing families into having loads of children. When my mother was young, if people (good catholics) had been married for more than a year and there still was no child, the local priest would visit the family to ask them if there were any problems and to ask why they had not had any children. It may seem insane now (not sure if that still happens) but a few decades ago that was the norm in extremely catholic areas in the Netherlands.

Women have liberated themselves from these interfering busybodies and they will not accept it from pro-life interfering busybodies either.
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it is not an accident, you damm well know the consequences if you have sex

and thats the porblem, you control your raging hormones and use it in everyday use, monkeys do this already in the wild but if they are in zoos they masturbate like crazy, in the comfortable world, boys and girls who cant control their hormones will be worse off than those who can, its primitive instinct, they earn more and that is the biggest thing, it isnt about smartness, race, or any other factor, its all about wealth, it is the biggest human divide.

"The world offers you comfort. But you were not made for comfort. You were made for greatness."-Pope Benedict XVI

control it like you were meant to, but the rampant culture of porn, and degeneracy is what influences kids

another way to avoid abortion is make the women feel like they are a lot better options and killing it is bad

 
Peter King said:
It is not a human being and it has no rights over that of the pregnant woman. It is her choice, not yours, not the zygote's, not the government, it is HER choice.
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it does have rights because IT IS fully human being that is diffident from everyone else
 
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