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Pro-life or anti-choice?

TypicalRussian said:
there is a fully indepedent human free from the mon involved
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No there isn't when it comes to abortion. That is the entire reason abortion is legal, because the entity growing inside a woman is completely dependent on her bodily resources for survival, which is the opposite of independent.

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smallvoice said:
No one wants to control women, but it would be an improvement if those like you would control yourself.
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"No one wants to control women," according to you. Yeah. Right. And maybe someday, elephants will fly.
 
TypicalRussian said:
women have the right to deny religion but it is a centuries old usage for happinnes.
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Not to me, it isn't. I've never thought slavery brought happiness to anyone, which is what religion often does to women. No thank you! I always preferred freedom over slavery, so I've always made sure to keep my freedom and not give it up.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Everyone who wants to force women to stay pregnant against their will only cares about controlling women. If it was just about the life inside her, you would not say any crap about women should be disrespected.
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Nonsense. Your opinion does not speak for the rest of the world, but it makes you look selfish, which you are.


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TypicalRussian said:
women are not cut out to be breadwinners, they dont want to be breadwinners either as they look for other men when they earn higher or refuse to date men poorer than them, they evolved to be provided for
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Really. I have to wonder who are these women you're speaking for, because you're certainly not speaking for me. I always wanted to be a "breadwinner," for myself anyway. Thankfully I was able to be educated in a field that provided me with a very nice salary. It gave me the freedom to have my own home which I could easily pay for myself without needing some guy to "provide" it for me.

As for the "other men" reference, I was never interested in marrying or having children either, so that's another nonsensical generalization on your part. No, I think it's better for all women to have a good education and good job skills that allow us to always have money of our own. I can't think of anything more degrading or enslaving than being forced to beg for money from a male partner or spouse. And that too often happens in "traditional marriage," with the guy having all the earning power and the woman having none. Having money of our own gives women freedom, which is so much better than slavery.
 
TypicalRussian said:
the sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
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No, it's only been a disaster for controlling guys who want total control over women and are angry that they can't have it. Cry me a river.

Being able to control our own reproduction, earn and keep our own money, have our own homes, and decide for ourselves whether to marry and have kids or not has been very beneficial for women. It's far better than the "traditional values" of religions and churches that enslaved and oppressed women for centuries. I don't think women are interested in going back to the days of slavery when we now have freedom.
 
smallvoice said:
Nonsense. Your opinion does not speak for the rest of the world, but it makes you look selfish, which you are.
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Your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of the world either. Which is a very good thing.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Your opinion doesn't speak for the rest of the world either. Which is a very good thing.
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He also is 100% wrong about me. If I was selfish, I would not care about anything in politics that has no direct effect on my life.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
No, it's only been a disaster for controlling guys who want total control over women and are angry that they can't have it. Cry me a river.

Being able to control our own reproduction, earn and keep our own money, have our own homes, and decide for ourselves whether to marry and have kids or not has been very beneficial for women. It's far better than the "traditional values" of religions and churches that enslaved and oppressed women for centuries. I don't think women are interested in going back to the days of slavery when we now have freedom.
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no traditional values promote goodness,, serving your children well is not enslaving
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Really. I have to wonder who are these women you're speaking for, because you're certainly not speaking for me. I always wanted to be a "breadwinner," for myself anyway. Thankfully I was able to be educated in a field that provided me with a very nice salary. It gave me the freedom to have my own home which I could easily pay for myself without needing some guy to "provide" it for me.

As for the "other men" reference, I was never interested in marrying or having children either, so that's another nonsensical generalization on your part. No, I think it's better for all women to have a good education and good job skills that allow us to always have money of our own. I can't think of anything more degrading or enslaving than being forced to beg for money from a male partner or spouse. And that too often happens in "traditional marriage," with the guy having all the earning power and the woman having none. Having money of our own gives women freedom, which is so much better than slavery.
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then men need to stop paying for everything in the relationsip or stop being expected too

it goes both ways
 
TypicalRussian said:
women are not cut out to breadwinners, they dont want to be breadwinners either as they look for other men when they earn higher or refuse to date men poorer than them, they evolved to be provided for
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Many women don't wan't to be "provided for". What's wrong with that? Why does your opinion have to be the only right opinion. Why can't there be two or more right ways of arranging one's life? And why do you think it's necessary to punish people who don't have your same beliefs.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Not to me, it isn't. I've never thought slavery brought happiness to anyone, which is what religion often does to women. No thank you! I always preferred freedom over slavery, so I've always made sure to keep my freedom and not give it up.
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slavery is not serving your children and helping your community
 
roguenuke said:
No there isn't when it comes to abortion. That is the entire reason abortion is legal, because the entity growing inside a woman is completely dependent on her bodily resources for survival, which is the opposite of independent.

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it turns out that every gene in the baby is completely different from the mother

it is not just an extension of the mother, it is a fully independent person
 
TypicalRussian said:
then men need to stop paying for everything in the relationsip or stop being expected too

it goes both ways
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The only one in this thread who has said men do or are expected to pay for everything is you. Most women don't feel that way.

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roguenuke said:
When we met and throughout our first year of marriage, I made more than my husband, being in fact the breadwinner. While now he makes more, I still pay for the utilities and almost all the food expenses as well as most of what our boys need from money I earn. Our expenses are shared. Which is how many families live.

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that is a collective check for the marriage, I am talking about dating
 
roguenuke said:
And the ways you can lessen or change those consequences.

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no, you should fully embrace those consequences if you are hurting other people aka killing innocent babies
 
roguenuke said:
No. Just like this is not a white nation or woman nation simply because the majority are those things. We are a secular nation because our laws are not based on any religious tenants.

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most policy is directed at women so I am correct
 
Peter King said:
Well that is all kinds of incorrect. Independent? :lamo

This is a free independent human being free from the mom?

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Well that is absolutely and utterly untrue.
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every gene is different from the mother

it is a human complteely different adn special in its own way
 
TypicalRussian said:
most policy is directed at women so I am correct
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No you're not correct. While there are laws that currently skew towards women, especially concerning children or in how they are ruled, they do not require men to pay everything. Hell my own father only had to provide $400 a month for 4 children whereas my mother then had to provide everything else, including housing, health insurance, food, clothing, utilities, education, etc.

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