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Pro-life or anti-choice?

Blue Donkey said:
Western civilization began with people walking the land bridge across the strait that separates Russia and Alaska, Norse people traveling from the Baltic Sea to Minnesota, and Christopher Columbus sailing from Spain to America. The Amish and Celtics came later.
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europe and america is western civilization

and is christian
 
TypicalRussian said:
those are good commandments

i am talking about objective vs subjective morals
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And again, you are posting nonsense, other cultures had those things and atheists also have the same objective and subjective morals, no god or religion was needed for that.
 
TypicalRussian said:
wrong, everybody knows it is BS
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Nope, you claim it is BS but it clearly is not.

Opinion poll after opinion poll supports Roe v. Wade.

When asked last year if states should make having abortions easier, more difficult, left as they are or unsure. 32% said easier, 24% said harder and 41% said leave as it is now.

Last year an opinion poll by Gallup asked if Roe v. Wade should be overturned or not and Gallup has been asking this question since at least 2005, and the "overturn Roe v. Wade" supporters were always about 1/3, the vast majority (every time more than 52 and even as high as 66% said "no, do not overturn".

A CBS poll from last year showed 67% wanted Roe v. Wade kept as it is and 28% said overturn it. Even 45% of the republicans said, leave Roe v. Wade as it is.

There is a huge difference between being pro-life in the opinion polls compared to wanting Roe v. Wade to stand as it is. It is not a popular view in the US as only 1/3 want this to happen. People like you, but for every person like you there are 2 who do not want it to be overturned because they either:

- feel it is none of their business
- would never want to have one but are not so arrogant to disallow other people to make up their own mind
- believe it is a right of women to be free to decide to have one

Take your pick. Two thirds of Americans on average do not want Roe v. Wade changed. And unlike your claims, polls prove your position/view is BS and mine is not.

Abortion
 
TypicalRussian said:
being motherly and participating in church is not enslaving to a women, serving youtr children is good, serving a soulless coropoation is not
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Well if you want to keep women from working/deny them their rights, you and your religion are enslaving them.

And serving children? Which child over 9 needs to be served? Children should learn how to cook, clean and make their own breakfast/lunch. A woman is not a slave to her children either. Now if a woman wants to do that, fine, but "HAS to" is just unacceptable after a certain age.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Nope, killing innocent dead babies and selling them is not justice nor what the Founding Fathers envisioned.
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It is obviously impossible to kill a dead baby, have an innocent dead baby, and sell a dead baby.
 
TypicalRussian said:
What are you talking about, I am literally expecting men to fill their traditional roles which include going to war to DIE but somehow I am a misogynist?!
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All you care about is controlling women. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your messages come down to that, even if you don't say it directly. And there you go again saying you expect MEN to go to war - meaning NOT women.

If you were not a misogynist, you would never think for one second about taking women's human and legal rights away for any reason. You would completely respect every single right women have with no strings attached.
 
TypicalRussian said:
it should not be legal
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But abortion IS legal in the U.S., so your preference that "it should not be" is irrelevant. That means a woman can get an abortion if she doesn't want to stay pregnant and give birth. And she doesn't need your permission or approval to do so either.
 
TypicalRussian said:
women should be with religios laws, it benefits them, feminism have made middle aged karens miserable, being a mother is satisfying, being a wage slave is not
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Again, that's not for you to decide, and thank goodness for that. The way I see it, religious laws, especially those of archaic religions and churches, do not benefit women at all. On the contrary, it turns them into slaves, making them totally subservient to men. No thank you!

As to your last statement, the last thing I ever wanted in life was to be a mother. Having a satisfying career and being financially independent has made me very happy. Having to be a mother is what would have made me miserable, so I'm glad I was never forced to become one.
 
TypicalRussian said:
being motherly and participating in church is not enslaving to a women, serving youtr children is good, serving a soulless coropoation is not
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Sure it's enslaving to a woman, when the woman (in this case, me) wants no part of religions, churches, unpaid domestic slavery, and babies.

Having my own money and home provided by the salary my career gave me has been very good for me. Far better than being stuck in some conservative religious guy's house, doing all the housework for no pay and raising babies I never wanted in the first place. No thank you! I prefer happiness to misery.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Again, that's not for you to decide, and thank goodness for that. The way I see it, religious laws, especially those of archaic religions and churches, do not benefit women at all. On the contrary, it turns them into slaves, making them totally subservient to men. No thank you!

As to your last statement, the last thing I ever wanted in life was to be a mother. Having a satisfying career and being financially independent has made me very happy. Having to be a mother is what would have made me miserable, so I'm glad I was never forced to become one.
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Maybe TR will put forth his personal testimony as to what he does, or doesn't do, for the unborn, other than type 'opinions' in a chatroom on a keyboard.
 
TypicalRussian said:
men are the breadwinner, i expect them to fill their role too and to provide for their children
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Women are breadwinners too, in all kinds of jobs and careers. Many of those jobs and careers give women high incomes that provide freedom to decide for themselves whether they want children (or husbands) or not. I think that's far better for women than being the domestic slave of some conservative religious guy who only wants to control women.
 
Logician Man said:
Maybe TR will put forth his personal testimony as to what he does, or doesn't do, for the unborn, other than type 'opinions' in a chatroom on a keyboard.
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"Maybe" being the key word here. So far, what he has posted has been, shall we say, less than impressive.
 
Logician Man said:
Maybe TR will put forth his personal testimony as to what he does, or doesn't do, for the unborn, other than type 'opinions' in a chatroom on a keyboard.
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Typical would have already posted a personal testimony if he had one. It is extremely obvious all he cares about is being a misogynist, not a smart man or even good writer.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Women are breadwinners too, in all kinds of jobs and careers. Many of those jobs and careers give women high incomes that provide freedom to decide for themselves whether they want children (or husbands) or not. I think that's far better for women than being the domestic slave of some conservative religious guy who only wants to control women.
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no they are not and should not be the breadwinners, it makes them unhappy, women divorce men who makes less than them and dont date them

women spend 70% of consuming goods in USA,corporatiosn used second wave feminism for more money
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Sure it's enslaving to a woman, when the woman (in this case, me) wants no part of religions, churches, unpaid domestic slavery, and babies.

Having my own money and home provided by the salary my career gave me has been very good for me. Far better than being stuck in some conservative religious guy's house, doing all the housework for no pay and raising babies I never wanted in the first place. No thank you! I prefer happiness to misery.
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it is not enslaving to serve your children
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Again, that's not for you to decide, and thank goodness for that. The way I see it, religious laws, especially those of archaic religions and churches, do not benefit women at all. On the contrary, it turns them into slaves, making them totally subservient to men. No thank you!

As to your last statement, the last thing I ever wanted in life was to be a mother. Having a satisfying career and being financially independent has made me very happy. Having to be a mother is what would have made me miserable, so I'm glad I was never forced to become one.
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i understand that, IT WAS A SUGGESTION,READ!
 
OceanBlues1 said:
But abortion IS legal in the U.S., so your preference that "it should not be" is irrelevant. That means a woman can get an abortion if she doesn't want to stay pregnant and give birth. And she doesn't need your permission or approval to do so either.
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i dont give a rap if it is legal under a bogus SCOTUS case, it 100% SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
 
Blue Donkey said:
All you care about is controlling women. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of your messages come down to that, even if you don't say it directly. And there you go again saying you expect MEN to go to war - meaning NOT women.

If you were not a misogynist, you would never think for one second about taking women's human and legal rights away for any reason. You would completely respect every single right women have with no strings attached.
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everybody that disagrees with me is a misognist

great thinking!

YEAH I EXPECT MEN TO GO TO WAR NOT WOMEN, feminism cowards in the face of war as they will HAPPILY send a billion men to go die but not women, IT IS A FRAUD
 
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