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Pro-life or anti-choice?

Blue Donkey said:
Are you only saying that because of what the Bible says?

No human life is a person before birth. That is not disputable.
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it is disputable, because it is a person
 
TypicalRussian said:
it is disputable, because it is a person.
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According to who and what?

If English dictionaries do not include zygotes, blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses in the definition of person, they are NOT people.
 
Blue Donkey said:
According to who and what?

If English dictionaries do not include zygotes, blastocysts, embryos, and fetuses in the definition of person, they are NOT people.
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accoding to me
 
Blue Donkey said:
The highest law of the land has guaranteed all female citizens have the right to get an abortion not since 1973, but over 100 years earlier. No state or federal politician has the right to make abortions for any reason before the third trimester illegal. So the issue that needs to be fixed here in America is electing politicians who want to violate the Constitution on purpose to take women's human rights away and harm not only the pregnant individuals but our society in the process.
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That may be true in some respects, but not everyone is going to see it the same way as you do. There are those that believe it's for the good of the child, those that believe abortion is immoral..etc etc.

Were we a more unified country, such an issue would be easy to rectify. But as it goes there are just far too many beliefs on why something as abortion should and should not be permitted and if not at a certain time, then not at all. Which atypically you could always look towards more liberal strongholds for such decisions as being open to abortion, even at any time in the pregnancy. Which, as it gets further out, will continually distance more and more peopled from the decision of allowing it.

Conservatives have always held, by a majority, that abortion should be a last resort and conservative communities are always made of older families. While more liberal people believe that a woman should have their right to choose and too an extent I believe that is the same case. But as they get older, that stance is going to change and the way some people tend to treat this topic, especially when they attempt to politicize it. Does not help the argument in any way.

For a long time, the argument has been the life of the child, weighed against the choice of the mother. Which it's most likely going to be stuck like that for the foreseeable future.
 
TypicalRussian said:
not a reason, you have unprotected sex, face the consequences. Abortion is killing a baby, what is abortion then, is it letting the baby live?
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Sure it's a reason. It's just a reason you don't personally approve of. And unwanted pregnancy can and does happen even while using birth control, since no contraceptive method is 100% guaranteed against pregnancy.
 
TypicalRussian said:
unwanted offspring? 99% of the time the women had unprotected sex and are not willing to face the consequences, take responsibility.
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You don't know all women's personal circumstances, so you don't know whether each woman was using birth control or not. Also, a woman can "take responsibility" by having an abortion when she knows she doesn't want to stay pregnant and give birth. Whether or not you personally approve of her choice is irrelevant.
 
TypicalRussian said:
wrong, some men might want a baby, they could be the father or maybe they dont want DEATHS
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And some prolife guys do want to control women, no matter how many of them deny that's the case.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Wrong, God said not to kill. The natural bearers of pregnancy is TO HAVE THE BABY.
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It isn't for you to decide that. It's for each woman who is pregnant to make the choice of whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Some women will choose to continue it, other women will choose to abort it. In any case, unless you are the woman who is pregnant, it isn't your decision to make.
 
TypicalRussian said:
they have the ability but they know they sex is for reproducing not having an abortion
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That's a belief, not a fact. Each woman decides for herself what sex is for, and for some women, the purpose of sex is not reproduction. You don't get to make that determination for anyone else but yourself, and that's a very good thing.
 
TypicalRussian said:
Yes i do.
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Okay, but that's your problem. Childfree couples and singles (people who never want children) do not have to be celibate for life as punishment for never reproducing just because you want or expect them to.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
And some pro-life guys do want to control women, no matter how many of them deny that's the case.
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I am sure every guy who denies he wants to control women is lying when he says that.
 
Ocean, I recommend using the Mutli-Quote feature. Click on the quotation marks icon under each post you want to reply to, then scroll to the bottom of the page and click the big Reply to Thread button to insert them at the same time.
 
Typical, why do you think anyone has a reason or right to force any girl or woman to stay pregnant for nine months against her will, knowing abortion is always a 100% private and personal decision?
 
Blue Donkey said:
Ocean, I recommend using the Mutli-Quote feature. Click on the quotation marks icon under each post you want to reply to, then scroll to the bottom of the page and click the big Reply to Thread button to insert them at the same time.
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Thanks for the suggestion. It will take a bit of practice until I master the multi-quote option, but I'll get there. :2wave:
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Okay, but that's your problem. Childfree couples and singles (people who never want children) do not have to be celibate for life as punishment for never reproducing just because you want or expect them to.
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they should, sex was,is and should be for reproducing or deepening love
 
OceanBlues1 said:
That's a belief, not a fact. Each woman decides for herself what sex is for, and for some women, the purpose of sex is not reproduction. You don't get to make that determination for anyone else but yourself, and that's a very good thing.
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wrong, God does as he created us in HIS image
 
OceanBlues1 said:
It isn't for you to decide that. It's for each woman who is pregnant to make the choice of whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Some women will choose to continue it, other women will choose to abort it. In any case, unless you are the woman who is pregnant, it isn't your decision to make.
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its for God to decide and he has decided
 
OceanBlues1 said:
It's forcing women to stay pregnant and give birth against their will, which is control of women. That's what's wrong with it.
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it is wrong, forcing women to face the consequences of reproducing, your body your choich to reproduce, your body not your choice to kill
 
OceanBlues1 said:
You don't know all women's personal circumstances, so you don't know whether each woman was using birth control or not. Also, a woman can "take responsibility" by having an abortion when she knows she doesn't want to stay pregnant and give birth. Whether or not you personally approve of her choice is irrelevant.
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If you are in a bad situation, dont have a kid-logic
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Sure it's a reason. It's just a reason you don't personally approve of. And unwanted pregnancy can and does happen even while using birth control, since no contraceptive method is 100% guaranteed against pregnancy.
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unwanted pregnacny is a pregancny that was wanted as they had sex for it
 
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