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Pro-life or anti-choice?

Blue Donkey said:
You can't take it back. You said men don't want to control women. That means no man ever wants to force any woman to remain pregnant all nine months for any reason. There is no way around it.

There is no such thing as an unborn baby. All babies are born.
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foricing women to not kill, whats wrong with that?
 
TypicalRussian said:
foricing women to not kill, whats wrong with that?
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It's impossible, for one. If God made women the natural bearers of pregnancy, then by necessity it means that he also gave them the ability and authority to terminate that pregnancy, based on her own judgement. There is no human law which can take that power away from her. It is an absolute, biological right.
 
Irredentist said:
It's impossible, for one. If God made women the natural bearers of pregnancy, then by necessity it means that he also gave them the ability and authority to terminate that pregnancy, based on her own judgement. There is no human law which can take that power away from her. It is an absolute, biological right.
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wrong, God said not to kill

The natural bearers of pregnancy is TO HAVE THE BABY
 
TypicalRussian said:
wrong, God said not to kill

The natural bearers of pregnancy is TO HAVE THE BABY
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If God made women the way they are, then he made them knowing that they would have the ability to terminate their pregnancies. So whatever decisions God wants or doesn't want us to make, he gave women the ability to abort, and no human law can take that away.
 
Irredentist said:
If God made women the way they are, then he made them knowing that they would have the ability to terminate their pregnancies. So whatever decisions God wants or doesn't want us to make, he gave women the ability to abort, and no human law can take that away.
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they have the ability but they know they sex is for reproducing not having an abortion
 
TypicalRussian said:
they have the ability but they know they sex is for reproducing not having an abortion
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Whatever God thinks sex is or isn't for, he gave us the ability to decide for ourselves when or when not to have it, just like he gave us the ability to abort. If he thinks those are bad choices, he can judge us for them. But no human law can take away the the free will that God gave us to make our own choices, for good or ill.
 
Irredentist said:
Whatever God thinks sex is or isn't for, he gave us the ability to decide for ourselves when or when not to have it, just like he gave us the ability to abort. If he thinks those are bad choices, he can judge us for them. But no human law can take away the the free will that God gave us to make our own choices, for good or ill.
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God thinks sex is for reproduction
 
TypicalRussian said:
Foricing women to not kill, what's wrong with that?
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You said men never want to force women to stay pregnant for nine months. Address that very specific statement.
 
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TypicalRussian said:
Wrong, God said not to kill.

The natural bearers of pregnancy is TO HAVE THE BABY
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Jesus said, "Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself." Not love all human life, including clumps of unspecified cells only God Himself knows - just BORN PEOPLE.

The natural bearer of pregnancy is the woman herself, not what she will do with her unwanted, incomplete offspring.

God gave all of us free will. He does not believe in forcing women to become mothers against their will by making abortion impossible.
 
TypicalRussian said:
They have the ability but they know they sex is for reproducing, not having an abortion.
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Women know sexual intercourse is NOT always for reproduction. They know it is a completely natural activity married couples do. How many times do you think couples have sex in their lives without procreating? Do you expect couples to abstain from having sex their entire lives except when they decide to have a baby nine months later?
 
Blue Donkey said:
Women know sexual intercourse is NOT always for reproduction. They know it is a completely natural activity married couples do. How many times do you think couples have sex in their lives without procreating? Do you expect couples to abstain from having sex their entire lives except when they decide to have a baby nine months later?
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Yes i do
 
Blue Donkey said:
Jesus said, "Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself." Not love all human life, including clumps of unspecified cells only God Himself knows - just BORN PEOPLE.

The natural bearer of pregnancy is the woman herself, not what she will do with her unwanted, incomplete offspring.

God gave all of us free will. He does not believe in forcing women to become mothers against their will by making abortion impossible.
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Jesus wants us to love all people, and to defend the unborn,

The women should not the right to kill, period
 
TypicalRussian said:
Jesus wants us to love all people, and to defend the unborn,

The women should not have the right to kill, period.
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Yes, all PEOPLE. And we all know the unborn are not counted among them.

Can you quote Jesus saying we should "defend the unborn" at the expense of a pregnant woman's ability to function in society?
 
Blue Donkey said:
Yes, all PEOPLE. And we all know the unborn are not counted among them.

Can you quote Jesus saying we should "defend the unborn" at the expense of a pregnant woman's ability to function in society?
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the unborn are absolutely counted as God made them

And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people. But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children

Numbers 5:27-28
 
TypicalRussian said:
The unborn are absolutely counted as God made them

And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people. But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be free and shall conceive children.

Numbers 5:27-28
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The unborn are not people. Only born humans are. That is an objective fact.
 
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