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Personhood

Good. You just ended your own thread.

Have a good life.

Yes, it goes for me. That is why I said the moral decision is up to the mother, doctor, and close family. Odd you can't see that as letting others make their own decision.
While you are in your thread trying to tell other's just what a person should be based on your moral opinion.

Doesn't sound like you want to leave it up to the actual people involved.
This thread is about the question of personhood.
What my view "sounds like" to you is one thing' what my view is, another thing. See here:
Abortion Apologetics



Definition of Terms

1. Abortion Apologetics is the defense and promotion of abortion.
2. Abortion Apologetics has given rise to Abortion Culture.
3. Abortion Culture is a cultural climate conducive to unnecessary abortions, abortions of convenience.
4. Abortion Culture here in the United States has cut short over 50 million human lives in fifty years.

Anti-Abortion Argument

4. The value of human life is grounded in biology, in the survival instinct, the drive to self-preservation.
5. Taking human life is wrong unless done in defense of life.
6. Abortion is the taking of human life.
7. Therefore, unless done to save the pregnant woman's life, abortion is wrong.

Pro-Choice Argument

8. Every human being is a free moral agent.
9. Every free moral agent is free to choose to act morally or immorally.
10. A woman is a human being and therefore a free moral agent.
11. A woman is free to choose to act morally or immorally.


Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Anti-Abortion
The only reasonable point of view​

Abortion Apologetics
 
This thread is about the question of personhood.
What my view "sounds like" to you is one thing' what my view is, another thing. See here:

Abortion Apologetics
Your view is based on your religious beliefs, not objective facts as you falsely assert. You know it, and so does anyone familiar with your posting history.
 
Your view is based on your religious beliefs, not objective facts as you falsely assert. You know it, and so does anyone familiar with your posting history.

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"Patta patta...Waka waka waka..."
 
Oh look another thread where Angel abuses logic and proves his lack of education
 
Next time you hear an Abortion Apologist bandy the term "person" in a discussion of abortion, tell her she's full of ****.

Personhood
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The term "person" is thrown around in discussions without the least understanding of the concept. It's time to correct that practice.

I. The Question
What is it to be a person, as opposed to a nonperson? What have we people got that nonpeople haven’t got? More specifically, we can ask at what point in our development from a fertilized egg there comes to be a person, or what it would take for a chimpanzee or a Martian or an electronic computer to be a person, if they could ever be.

Personal Identity (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

II. The Answers
The way that people understand and relate to each other contributes towards the acknowledgement or development and maintenance of personhood. Nevertheless, being an actual person in the first place is important and determining what or who is a person involves setting boundaries (Baldwin and Capstick, 2007). Where someone falls in relation to those boundaries will determine whether s/he is considered a person or a "non-person". For some theorists, particularly ethicists, this means possessing certain capacities. Others would argue that personhood more or less equates with simply being a human being, whereas the role of interaction with others has also been highlighted, as has the importance of the physical body. The following approaches to personhood will be considered in this section, and a few examples provided of research into perceptions of personhood:
1. inherent/transcendental personhood
2. capacity-based approach to personhood
3. interpersonal theories of personhood
4. the body

Personhood - Other ethical principles - Definitions and approaches - Ethics - Alzheimer Europe

So what is a person?
What criteria are you basing your answer to that question on?
What argument do you have in support of your criteria?​
 
Next time you hear an Abortion Apologist bandy the term "person" in a discussion of abortion, tell her she's full of ****.
You have been told that so many time already and with good reason too.
 
You have been told that so many time already and with good reason too.
By the likes of you and your fellow Internet Skeptics, being told anything is being told nothing. When you all post in bad faith, you all forfeit credibility.
 
By the likes of you and your fellow Internet Skeptics, being told anything is being told nothing. When you all post in bad faith, you all forfeit credibility.
Oh, I post in good faith and with sincerity when I state that your posts are nothing but crap and sophistry.
 
Oh, I post in good faith and with sincerity when I state that your posts are nothing but crap and sophistry.
There you go. You ticked off at least three in a single sentence:
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Those members who've followed Angel's deconstruction of Internet Skepticism in this forum know what Internet Skeptics don't know, namely, that Internet Skepticism is a misnomer. Far from being any sort of ordinary or philosophical skepticism, Internet Skepticism in point of fact turns out to be a kind of Anonymous Creepism, a bastardized hybrid of technology and human nature. If you are new to Angel's deconstruction of Internet Skepticism, it is strongly recommended that you check out the following threads before proceeding any further in this thread:

Atheists Don't Exist
Beliefs and Skepticism


Top Ten Reasons To Deplore Internet Skepticism

Please Note
deplore = feel or express strong disapproval of (something).

10. Because Internet Skepticism lacks Intellectual Integrity.

9. Because Internet Skepticism does not take correction gracefully or else does not take correction at all.

8. Because Internet Skepticism usually doesn't know what it's talking about, yet nevertheless won't stop talking about what it doesn't know.

7. Because Internet Skepticism usually doesn't understand or misunderstands or deliberately misrepresents what its oppoents are talking about.

6. Because Internet Skepticism is unoriginal and chiefly relies on second-hand opinion with pretensions to authority.

5. Because Internet Skepticism does not listen and cannot learn, which is the very soul of stupidity.

4. Because Internet Skepticism is habitually coarse and vulgar, mocking and bullying, with a marked propensity to rely on emojis to these ends.

3. Because Internet Skepticism is malicious in intent and as a result given to the personal derogation of those who dare to oppose it.

2. Because Internet Skepticism routinely posts in bad faith, ignoring refutation and correction and persistently repeating points previously dispatched by opponents.


And the number one reason to deplore Internet Skepticism:


1. Because Internet Skepticism is the militant arm of Internet Atheism in mufti.
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Internet Skepticism: Casting Call
 
Looks like you are the only one "ticked off" because your endless stream of bull crap is pointed out.
You don't even see that your persistent posts derogating me personally make my case. Internet Skeptics are so unaware.
 
You don't even see that your persistent posts derogating me personally make my case.
You don't realize that you are too insignificant to even be derogated. I don't know you and don't give a crap about you, but I do point out that what you post is crap.
 
You don't realize that you are too insignificant to even be derogated. I don't know you and don't give a crap about you, but I do point out that what you post is crap.
All you do is call what I post crap. That's dismissal, the chief tactic of Internet Skepticism. You haven't engaged any post of mine in good faith.
 
All you do is call what I post crap.
Yes, because indisputably it is. When it was not I said so.

That's dismissal
No it is the correct label for the post.

You haven't engaged any post of mine in good faith.
I do not engage in crap. When you will post something that is not your usual judgemental crap or sophistry, I certainly will.
 
Yes, because indisputably it is. When it was not I said so.
No it is the correct label for the post.
I do not engage in crap. When you will post something that is not your usual judgemental crap or sophistry, I certainly will.
Show us one post that is not a dismissal, one post that doesn't merely call what it's supposed to engage "crap," one post that is on point, on topic, about "personhood."
If you can't -- and you can't -- then your posts are nothing more than what I've called them -- dismissals. Take a hike. But stay safe.
 
What the hell is an internet skeptic?

Anyone who doesn't instantly accept Angels "Arguments" instead they point out the massive failings in them and refuses to recognize him as the greatest intellect the universe has ever known


You know sane people
 
Anyone who doesn't instantly accept Angels "Arguments" instead they point out the massive failings in them and refuses to recognize him as the greatest intellect the universe has ever known


You know sane people
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What the hell is an internet skeptic?
Well, you have two of the best examples right here:
Anyone who doesn't instantly accept Angels "Arguments" instead they point out the massive failings in them and refuses to recognize him as the greatest intellect the universe has ever known
You know sane people
That's the ostensive answer to your silly question. There's a whole thread dedicated to the "Anonymous Creepism" called "Internet Skepticism," here:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/beli...t-skepticism-casting-call.html#post1071472855

Also, see #85 in this thread.
 
Nothing to say on the topic -- personhood?

It's been adequately determined and legally defined. The only people trying, in opposition to the law, literature, the Bible, the Constitution, tradition, science, culture, to re-define person is the anti-abortion movement. As it is now, the Constitution and American law, two formidable institutions, say abortion is legal. However, if personhood could be conferred on the fertilized egg to the fetus then abortion would be murder and forbidden circumventing the law, the Constitution, the Supreme Court, liberal states, tradition, culture and even the Bible which has nothing to say about abortion but a great deal about murder.

If abortion is murder then women are murderers and can be punished in many exciting ways. If abortion is legal women go unpunished and unrestricted.
 
It's been adequately determined and legally defined. The only people trying, in opposition to the law, literature, the Bible, the Constitution, tradition, science, culture, to re-define person is the anti-abortion movement. As it is now, the Constitution and American law, two formidable institutions, say abortion is legal. However, if personhood could be conferred on the fertilized egg to the fetus then abortion would be murder and forbidden circumventing the law, the Constitution, the Supreme Court, liberal states, tradition, culture and even the biggest barrier the Bible which has nothing to say about abortion but a great deal about murder.

If abortion is murder then women are murderers and can be punished in many exciting ways. If abortion is legal women go unpunished and unrestricted.
"Adequately determined." you say? On what basis "adequate" -- that means besides the fact that you agree and accept it?
"Legally defined" means nothing unless philosophically justified. What is the philosophical justification for the legal definition?
Where in "literature, tradition, science and culture" do you find support for your complacent acceptance of a legal fiction? I think you're talking through your bonnet here.
 
"Adequately determined." you say? On what basis "adequate" -- that means besides the fact that you agree and accept it?
"Legally defined" means nothing unless philosophically justified. What is the philosophical justification for the legal definition?
Where in "literature, tradition, science and culture" do you find support for your complacent acceptance of a legal fiction? I think you're talking through your bonnet here.

City law defines the legal placement of a trash bin on collection day. Next time I'm in city hall I'll ask if bin placement has been philosophically justified.
 
City law defines the legal placement of a trash bin on collection day. Next time I'm in city hall I'll ask if bin placement has been philosophically justified.
Sure, trash pick-up. Telling analogy. But we're talking about a matter of life and death here. Your flippancy betrays your prejudice.
 
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