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"The Unborn"

Individual said:
Perhaps it is you who should learn how to converse in a civil manner with others who may not agree with you?

Every thread you start, the topic becomes lost as your ego exceeds your ability to communicate rationally, leaving you but to denigrate those who disagree with YOUR views.

The unborn may or may not become born for various reasons, including a decision of the Woman. You may not like it, but accept it as a lawful fact that doesn't involve or have effect on you.
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Yet again you do it! This post of yours quoted above is supposed to be responsive to this post of mine quoted below?
Angel said:
Well, sir, if you think this:"Let's leave your imaginary God out of this thread" is a response to this: "Well, we knew all along that the veneer of courtesy would not last and that the true colors of Internet Skepticism would show through," then you clearly read and think so idiosyncratically that you really have no business entering into conversation with others. For the record, there is no logical or semantic connection between your so-called response and the statement to which it is a so-called response.
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Not by any stretch of the imagination. Are you not capable of responding to a post? Are you only ostensibly replying to posts in order to post your personal derogations and dismissals?
 
Angel said:
Yet again you do it! This post of yours quoted above is supposed to be responsive to this post of mine quoted below?

Not by any stretch of the imagination. Are you not capable of responding to a post? Are you only ostensibly replying to posts in order to post your personal derogations and dismissals?
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Why do you constantly avoid the thread topics you create and instead become offensive to those who question or disagree with your OP?
 
Individual said:
Why do you constantly avoid the thread topics you create and instead become offensive to those who question or disagree with your OP?
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And another non-responsive post! Do you not know what unresponsive or non-responsive means in this context? It means your replies are to nothing in the posts you quote. You're just taking the opportunity to say anything you like.
 
Angel said:
And another non-responsive post! Do you not know what unresponsive or non-responsive means in this context? It means your replies are to nothing in the posts you quote. You're just taking the opportunity to say anything you like.
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Then just stick to your thread topic don't try to make it personal.
 
The Topic​

Angel said:
"The Unborn"
The Dehumanization of a Human Life

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This is the term used by Abortion Apologists to describe the individual human life gestating inside a woman during pregnancy: "The Unborn."
Sounds like the title of a horror movie, doesn't it?

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That's exactly the connotation Abortion Apologetics seeks when it rejects terms like "baby" or "child"
although historically pregnant women were commonly said to be "with child" and "having a baby"
and are still so described by those who have not sold out to Abortion Culture.

The aim of Abortion Apologetics is to dehumanize the human life growing inside a pregnant woman so that it can be killed without compunction.

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Sometimes Abortion Apologists will use the more sci-fi horror name "Zef" --
but this acronymic dehumanization is less effective that the more subtle dysphemism: "The Unborn."
"Zef" shows their hand.
"Zef" is the name of a monster.

"The Unborn," on the other hand, though more eerie than "Zef," lends itself more readily to the denial of its dehumanizing purpose.

"The Unborn" is a baby, a child, a developing human life.
Oppose Abortion Culture.
Call out Abortion Apologetics for what it represents -- the dehumanization of human being.

Comments?
Contrition?
Testimonials?

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During the first 8 weeks an embryo would be aborted.
After 8 weeks until prior to birth a fetus/foetus would be aborted.
No one denies the fact that humans produce human embryos and after 8 weeks of gestation become a human fetus/foetus.
The decision to abort or give birth belongs solely to the individual Woman, the opinions of others are simply that, an opinion and should NOT be brought to bear upon the Woman who for reasons needing no explanation has a Right to make the decision of bringing or not bringing her creation into the world. And no apologies are necessary for her decision.
Women who are anti-abortion should refrain from having one, with exceptions they find acceptable, and simply accept the reasoning of other Women to have abortions for reasons they find acceptable. A man who is responsible for the pregnancy may feel a Right to voice his opinion to the Woman, which she may or may not effect her decision.

I can only apologize for those who want to demean Women who choose to have an abortion.
 
Individual said:
...A man who is responsible for the pregnancy may feel a Right to voice his opinion to the Woman, which she may or may not effect her decision.

I can only apologize for those who want to demean Women who choose to have an abortion.
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Apologize for not understanding the affect/effect semantic distinction while otherwise putting on airs.
 
Angel said:
Apologize for not understanding the affect/effect semantic distinction while otherwise putting on airs.
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No apologies necessary, when I have time I read and make corrections. Today my daughter and I are are quite busy working outside.
You obviously understood what I was saying, and that's all that counts.
You should try being less contentious, it detracts from the topic and seems to take precedent over the issues being discussed, unless that is what you're trying to do.
 
Individual said:
No apologies necessary, when I have time I read and make corrections. Today my daughter and I are are quite busy working outside.
You obviously understood what I was saying, and that's all that counts.
You should try being less contentious, it detracts from the topic and seems to take precedent over the issues being discussed, unless that is what you're trying to do.
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That is "precedence." Sloppy language reflects sloppy thought.
 
Individual said:
No apologies necessary, when I have time I read and make corrections. Today my daughter and I are are quite busy working outside.
You obviously understood what I was saying, and that's all that counts.
You should try being less contentious, it detracts from the topic and seems to take precedent over the issues being discussed, unless that is what you're trying to do.
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The topic is language and its abuse for political purposes. You should try doing what you tell me I should try doing and tell it like it is instead of posting the toadyism's Pledge of Allegiance to Radical Feminism, to wit: you are perfectly all right with taking human life as long as its politically correct and not your decision.
 
Angel said:
The topic is language and its abuse for political purposes. You should try doing what you tell me I should try doing and tell it like it is instead of posting the toadyism's Pledge of Allegiance to Radical Feminism, to wit: you are perfectly all right with taking human life as long as its politically correct and not your decision.
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I'm perfectly all right with each individual Woman having the Right to make a choice without the involvement of politics or religion.

The word unborn works for both an embryo or a fetus/foetus.
 
Individual said:
I'm perfectly all right with each individual Woman having the Right to make a choice without the involvement of politics or religion.
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So am I. The difference is I have an argument and you're reciting a pledge of allegiance.
Individual said:
The word unborn works for both an embryo or a fetus/foetus.
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It only works if one has not invested a moment's thought to the question and failed to finish reading the OP, or perhaps to start reading it.
 
Angel said:
So am I. The difference is I have an argument and you're reciting a pledge of allegiance.
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Yes, your argumentative opinion has been noted. IMO, neither government, society, or any individual other than the individual Woman has or should have any impact on the decision of a Woman to procreate or abort. It is rightfully HER choice alone, an individual Right.

Angel said:
It only works if one has not invested a moment's thought to the question and failed to finish reading the OP, or perhaps to start reading it.
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Only after birth does the human embryo or human fetus/foetus become an individual (legal) human person who should then be subject to our laws.

I would support Federal law which ended the Right to decide ONLY after the cord has been cut, separating the newborn from the Woman, and put an end to any/all legal based argument over abortion.
 
Individual said:
Yes, your argumentative opinion has been noted. IMO, neither government, society, or any individual other than the individual Woman has or should have any impact on the decision of a Woman to procreate or abort. It is rightfully HER choice alone, an individual Right.



Only after birth does the human embryo or human fetus/foetus become an individual (legal) human person who should then be subject to our laws.

I would support Federal law which ended the Right to decide ONLY after the cord has been cut, separating the newborn from the Woman, and put an end to any/all legal based argument over abortion.
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Yes, the usual abortion legalism. That's what I meant when I said you hadn't an argument, just a pledge of allegiance. Your last sentence is the epitome of confusion, a self-contradictory mess.
 
Angel said:
Yes, the usual abortion legalism. That's what I meant when I said you hadn't an argument, just a pledge of allegiance. Your last sentence is the epitome of confusion, a self-contradictory mess.
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Yes, abortion is legal, and rightfully so. I am pro choice and pro abortion should the Woman wish to have an abortion, but I am pro choice and pro life when the Woman wishes to birth a child.

Why should I need an argument when I simply recognize the fact that no one has a right, greater than or even equal to the Woman, to make a choice to bring to term or abort what is being created within her body.

You spend an inordinate amount of time complaining about what others do or believe. I can only thank nature that you're not a neighbor.
 
Individual said:
Yes, abortion is legal, and rightfully so. I am pro choice and pro abortion should the Woman wish to have an abortion, but I am pro choice and pro life when the Woman wishes to birth a child.

Why should I need an argument when I simply recognize the fact that no one has a right, greater than or even equal to the Woman, to make a choice to bring to term or abort what is being created within her body.

You spend an inordinate amount of time complaining about what others do or believe. I can only thank nature that you're not a neighbor.
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Once again your pledge of allegiance to the official view without a shred of thought behind it.
 
Angel said:
Once again your pledge of allegiance to the official view without a shred of thought behind it.
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My only thought is that the official view doesn't go far enough. The Woman should have no restrictions at all upon her choice to have an abortion, and only after a birth has been recorded should government laws be applied to the new citizen.

Until born, the Rights accorded the unborn are no ones business but the Womans.
 
Individual said:
My only thought is that the official view doesn't go far enough. The Woman should have no restrictions at all upon her choice to have an abortion, and only after a birth has been recorded should government laws be applied to the new citizen.

Until born, the Rights accorded the unborn are no ones business but the Womans.
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Okay. now let's hear your argument.
 
Angel said:
Okay. now let's hear your argument.
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No argument is necessary, the unborn have no individual rights until after birth.
Until birth, the Woman has absolute dominion "absolutum dominium" over what exists within her body.

dixi
 
Angel said:
Okay. now let's hear your argument.
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Individual said:
No argument is necessary, the unborn have no individual rights until after birth.
Until birth, the Woman has absolute dominion "absolutum dominium" over what exists within her body.

dixi
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No argument? What a surprise! Your unsupported opinion is noted.
 
Angel said:
No argument? What a surprise! Your unsupported opinion is noted.
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What's there for me to argue about? The Womans Right to choose an abortion is already upheld by law. I might be arguing if it were not.
 
Individual said:
No argument is necessary, the unborn have no individual rights until after birth.
Until birth, the Woman has absolute dominion "absolutum dominium" over what exists within her body. dixi
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I agree. There is no reason for laws controlling when an abortion is permissible. That's a question for the woman and the doctor to decide. If woman is demanding a 7th month abortion of a healthy, normal fetus with a 75% chance of survival if taken by C-section the ethics of the medical profession will prevent the doctor from doing an unreasonable abortion such as this. On the other hand should a single homeless woman, clearly incompetent by reason of insanity, demand an abortion at 22 weeks, (currently the cut off week for most states abortion laws), a doctor would be clearly within ethical limits to decide the best course for the woman and fetus would be a late term abortion.

However, leaving the decision to a woman and the doctor would never be approved by the Christian Right ..... ever. Their ability to trust the honesty of women and doctors is 0. We've see this lack of trust in operation when Virginia tried to make minor changes in their late term abortion laws. So, in the interests of not stirring up a "ban abortion" firestorm from the religious right there have to be laws regulating and limiting abortion.

One exception: late 3rd trimester decisions about pregnancies that have gone very wrong have to be left to the medical profession and the family. Nobody else has the medical knowledge or understanding of what is currently going on or the prognosis for the future of the mother or the child. There is no moral questions involved in this situation only medical and family questions.
 
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