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Abortion Apologetics

If after reviewing my posts you think that I don't reference culture or discuss abortion
All you reference is moronic declarations that you make and try to pass as some accepted valid position or fact, when in reality all you post is crap wrapped in sophistry.
 
All you reference is moronic declarations that you make and try to pass as some accepted valid position or fact, when in reality all you post is crap wrapped in sophistry.

We have a winner
 
Two p's in a pod.

If by that you mean two people who have figured out that you have no interest/ability to engage in reasoned debate then sure call us that
 
A value is that which is held to be important or deserving regard and preservation. A value is also a standard of behavior. In the survival instinct animals are driven to regards their own life and important, worthy of the highest regard and preservation. This is biology (the organism, not the study) driving us. The individual organism places the highest value on preserving the life of that individual. A rational animal, that is to say a self-conscious animal, derives the value of life from its own biological drive. This is a value worth preserving and this is a standard of behavior.


Have the Advocates of The Theory of Evolution thrown that theory under the bus in favor of being Advocates of the current popular social ideology labeled “Abortion Culture”?

Survival | Definition of Survival by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Survival

Phrase - survival of the fittest - Biology

The continued existence of organisms which are best adapted to their environment, with the extinction of others, as a concept in the Darwinian theory of evolution.

Compare with natural selection

Fit - adjective fitter, fittest 
predicative Of a suitable quality, standard, or type to meet the required purpose.

Unfit - adjective Biology (of a species) not able to produce viable offspring or survive in a particular environment.

Required - adjective
Officially compulsory, or otherwise considered essential; indispensable.

Purpose - noun
The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.

Natural Selection - Noun - Biology

The process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring.

The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.

Compare with survival of the fittest (see survival)

Survival - noun 
The state or fact of continuing to live or exist, typically in spite of an accident, ordeal, or difficult circumstances.

Note: Fit organisms are the ones that survive and remain alive long enough to produce offspring.

Note: Unfit organisms are the ones that go extinct due to Natural Selection process now believed to be main process that brings about evolution.

Worldwide there has been a multitude of fit men and fit women that have successfully achieved pregnancies and could have produced offspring via The Evolutionary Process.

Choices were made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” so all of those fit “organisms” were treated as if they were “unfit organisms” via the use of “Elective Abortions” instead of The Evolutionary Process labeled “miscarriage “.

Miscarriage Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, and Treatment

What Causes Miscarriage?
Most miscarriages happen when the unborn baby has fatal genetic problems. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother.

Roseann:)
 
Have the Advocates of The Theory of Evolution thrown that theory under the bus in favor of being Advocates of the current popular social ideology labeled “Abortion Culture”?

Survival | Definition of Survival by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Survival

Phrase - survival of the fittest - Biology

The continued existence of organisms which are best adapted to their environment, with the extinction of others, as a concept in the Darwinian theory of evolution.

Compare with natural selection

Fit - adjective fitter, fittest 
predicative Of a suitable quality, standard, or type to meet the required purpose.

Unfit - adjective Biology (of a species) not able to produce viable offspring or survive in a particular environment.

Required - adjective
Officially compulsory, or otherwise considered essential; indispensable.

Purpose - noun
The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.

Natural Selection - Noun - Biology

The process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring.

The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.

Compare with survival of the fittest (see survival)

Survival - noun 
The state or fact of continuing to live or exist, typically in spite of an accident, ordeal, or difficult circumstances.

Note: Fit organisms are the ones that survive and remain alive long enough to produce offspring.

Note: Unfit organisms are the ones that go extinct due to Natural Selection process now believed to be main process that brings about evolution.

Worldwide there has been a multitude of fit men and fit women that have successfully achieved pregnancies and could have produced offspring via The Evolutionary Process.

Choices were made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” so all of those fit “organisms” were treated as if they were “unfit organisms” via the use of “Elective Abortions” instead of The Evolutionary Process labeled “miscarriage “.

Miscarriage Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, and Treatment

What Causes Miscarriage?
Most miscarriages happen when the unborn baby has fatal genetic problems. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother.

Roseann:)
A wonderfully insightful challenge to abortion apologists, Roseann. Reminds me of what you did to reductive materialism two years ago when you turned the tables on devildavid. That dude still doesn't know what hit him, or else pretends not to know at any rate. In the present case I think the subtlety of your insight will go quite over the heads of the intended audience. Thought restricted to talking points does not nuanced thinkers make.
 
Have the Advocates of The Theory of Evolution thrown that theory under the bus in favor of being Advocates of the current popular social ideology labeled “Abortion Culture”?

Survival | Definition of Survival by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Survival

Phrase - survival of the fittest - Biology

The continued existence of organisms which are best adapted to their environment, with the extinction of others, as a concept in the Darwinian theory of evolution.

Compare with natural selection

Fit - adjective fitter, fittest 
predicative Of a suitable quality, standard, or type to meet the required purpose.

Unfit - adjective Biology (of a species) not able to produce viable offspring or survive in a particular environment.

Required - adjective
Officially compulsory, or otherwise considered essential; indispensable.

Purpose - noun
The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.

Natural Selection - Noun - Biology

The process whereby organisms better adapted to their environment tend to survive and produce more offspring.

The theory of its action was first fully expounded by Charles Darwin and is now believed to be the main process that brings about evolution.

Compare with survival of the fittest (see survival)

Survival - noun 
The state or fact of continuing to live or exist, typically in spite of an accident, ordeal, or difficult circumstances.

Note: Fit organisms are the ones that survive and remain alive long enough to produce offspring.

Note: Unfit organisms are the ones that go extinct due to Natural Selection process now believed to be main process that brings about evolution.

Worldwide there has been a multitude of fit men and fit women that have successfully achieved pregnancies and could have produced offspring via The Evolutionary Process.

Choices were made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” so all of those fit “organisms” were treated as if they were “unfit organisms” via the use of “Elective Abortions” instead of The Evolutionary Process labeled “miscarriage “.

Miscarriage Symptoms, Causes, Diagnosis, and Treatment

What Causes Miscarriage?
Most miscarriages happen when the unborn baby has fatal genetic problems. Usually, these problems are unrelated to the mother.

Roseann:)

Spartans- adjective: Spartan; relating to Sparta in ancient Greece. noun: Spartan; plural noun: Spartans; a citizen of Sparta.

are- A second person singular present and first, second, third person plural present of be.

laughing- verb; gerund or present participle: laughing
make the spontaneous sounds and movements of the face and body that are the instinctive expressions of lively amusement and sometimes also of contempt or derision.

hysterically- adverb: hysterically; with wildly uncontrolled emotion.


 
Spartans- adjective: Spartan; relating to Sparta in ancient Greece. noun: Spartan; plural noun: Spartans; a citizen of Sparta.

are- A second person singular present and first, second, third person plural present of be.

laughing- verb; gerund or present participle: laughing
make the spontaneous sounds and movements of the face and body that are the instinctive expressions of lively amusement and sometimes also of contempt or derision.

hysterically- adverb: hysterically; with wildly uncontrolled emotion.



imho...

A Spartan advocate chooses to laugh hysterically instead of defending the particular cause supported publicly by that person.

I’m smiling the choice was a cop out instead of a tough defense.

Spartan | Definition of Spartan by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Spartan

Spartan adjective - To be Spartan meant to be tough.’

Advocate noun
A person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.

Smile - intransitive verb [no object]
Form one's features into a pleased, kind, or amused expression, typically with the corners of the mouth turned up and the front teeth.

Choice - noun
An act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities.

Cop out - phraseology verb informal
Avoid doing something that one ought to do.

Roseann:mrgreen:
 
A wonderfully insightful challenge to abortion apologists, Roseann. Reminds me of what you did to reductive materialism two years ago when you turned the tables on devildavid. That dude still doesn't know what hit him, or else pretends not to know at any rate. In the present case I think the subtlety of your insight will go quite over the heads of the intended audience. Thought restricted to talking points does not nuanced thinkers make.

Thank You. I’m personally more interested in an audience who have the gift of insight and subtlety does not fly over their heads. I agree.

Roseann:)
 
Then why are you. patronizing them?

Has nothing to do with patronizing.

I have read your posts and you clearly have the capability of understanding all my posts.

The question is why the choice was made to use a cop out?

imho Roseann:)
 
Have the Advocates of The Theory of Evolution thrown that theory under the bus in favor of being Advocates of the current popular social ideology labeled “Abortion Culture”?
Worldwide there has been a multitude of fit men and fit women that have successfully achieved pregnancies and could have produced offspring via The Evolutionary Process.
Choices were made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” so all of those fit “organisms” were treated as if they were “unfit organisms” via the use of “Elective Abortions” instead of The Evolutionary Process labeled “miscarriage “.


Translation: fit couples are aborting instead of producing fit children and improving the species.

I’m guessing that by fit you also mean able to care for a child with the love and attention in a financially and emotionally secure situation that children need to live up to their potential and contribute to the species. Well that isn’t actually true.

About 600,000 to 800,000 abortions are performed every year. Let’s use 700,000 as an average. 75% or 525,000 of all abortions in the US are performed on women that live at or below the poverty line. Here are the reasons women give for getting an abortion

Not ready for a child or another child ………….. 25%
Cannot financially support a child ……………… 23%
Have other people depending on me.. .………….19%
Unstable relationship with father or others…………8%
Not mature enough………………….………………..7%
Job and education leave no time for a child……….4%
Health of mother………………………………………4%
Health of fetus…………………………………………3%
Incest, rape, family and father want abortion……….2%
Other……………………………………………………6%
Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives | Guttmacher Institute

What if, “Choices were NOT made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” and all those 525,000 children were born into their poor families that didn’t want them, couldn’t support them, couldn’t give them the love and attention all children need.

When women are denied an abortion, their children fare worse than peers

And how do these unwanted children, children that their mothers knew the family could not give love and security how did they fare as adults.

https://www.urban.org/sites/default...6/2000369-Child-Poverty-and-Adult-Success.pdf

These are not adults that are making us fitter, adding to the health of the species, in fact they are actually making us less fit. Denying abortion to women who know they will be producing a child and adult that doesn’t contribute to society is not a smart policy. Perhaps this so called Abortion Culture, letting women decide instead of a bunch of anti-abortion ideologues what is good for the family, the child and themselves makes evolutionary sense.
 
Translation: fit couples are aborting instead of producing fit children and improving the species.

I’m guessing that by fit you also mean able to care for a child with the love and attention in a financially and emotionally secure situation that children need to live up to their potential and contribute to the species. Well that isn’t actually true.

About 600,000 to 800,000 abortions are performed every year. Let’s use 700,000 as an average. 75% or 525,000 of all abortions in the US are performed on women that live at or below the poverty line. Here are the reasons women give for getting an abortion

Not ready for a child or another child ………….. 25%
Cannot financially support a child ……………… 23%
Have other people depending on me.. .………….19%
Unstable relationship with father or others…………8%
Not mature enough………………….………………..7%
Job and education leave no time for a child……….4%
Health of mother………………………………………4%
Health of fetus…………………………………………3%
Incest, rape, family and father want abortion……….2%
Other……………………………………………………6%
Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives | Guttmacher Institute

What if, “Choices were NOT made to disregard that Evolutionary Process in favor a current popular social ideology labeled “The Abortion Culture” and all those 525,000 children were born into their poor families that didn’t want them, couldn’t support them, couldn’t give them the love and attention all children need.

When women are denied an abortion, their children fare worse than peers

And how do these unwanted children, children that their mothers knew the family could not give love and security how did they fare as adults.

https://www.urban.org/sites/default...6/2000369-Child-Poverty-and-Adult-Success.pdf

These are not adults that are making us fitter, adding to the health of the species, in fact they are actually making us less fit. Denying abortion to women who know they will be producing a child and adult that doesn’t contribute to society is not a smart policy. Perhaps this so called Abortion Culture, letting women decide instead of a bunch of anti-abortion ideologues what is good for the family, the child and themselves makes evolutionary sense.

An Advocate for The Theory of Evolution can not be an Advocate for the “Abortion Culture”

Evolution is a cruel master and has nothing whatsoever to do with any of the reasons you have used to support the “Abortion Culture”

Evolution is all about producing multiple genetically fit live offspring via fit parentage over and over again until the goal of evolution is achieved.

Human interference via elective abortion is not in anyway a function of the evolutionary process of miscarriages based on genetic defects of the offspring.

My point was and always has been about making a choice between The Theory of Evolution and The Abortion Culture.

The key word to use to make that choices is...

Contradiction | Definition of Contradiction by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Contradiction

Roseann:)
 
An Advocate for The Theory of Evolution can not be an Advocate for the “Abortion Culture”

Evolution is a cruel master and has nothing whatsoever to do with any of the reasons you have used to support the “Abortion Culture”

Evolution is all about producing multiple genetically fit live offspring via fit parentage over and over again until the goal of evolution is achieved.

Human interference via elective abortion is not in anyway a function of the evolutionary process of miscarriages based on genetic defects of the offspring.

My point was and always has been about making a choice between The Theory of Evolution and The Abortion Culture.

The key word to use to make that choices is...

Contradiction | Definition of Contradiction by Oxford Dictionary on Lexico.com also meaning of Contradiction

Roseann:)

There are multiple human interferences in producing genetically fit live offspring that thwart the goal of evolution. Environmentally caused mental retardation through lead in drinking water and commercial paints. to name just two. Making a choice to abort when one knows that one can't provide a safe, loving , stable life for a child so that it will grow up "fit" is actually carrying out the goal of evolution.

"My point was and always has been about making a choice between The Theory of Evolution and The Abortion Culture."
This is one of the stranger philosophical chicaneries that have popped up to justify the religious right's efforts in banning abortion.

Banning abortion because it's thwarting evolution doesn't sound smart, sophisticated, or intelligent. It just sounds strained. Like one is trying very very hard to make banning legal abortion sound rational. It doesn't When you ban abortion you simply drive it under ground where it is unregulated, unrestricted, unsanitary, unprofessional and uncontrolled. How do you fit illegal abortion into your theory of achieving the goal of evolution. There may some reason to ban abortion but this bastardized -philosophic nonsense isn't it.. Where did you come up with it?
 
.......... Evolution is all about producing multiple genetically fit live offspring via fit parentage over and over again until the goal of evolution is achieved.

Wouldn't it be fun to listen in on a conversation between Darwin and Rose?

Rose: Mr Darwin, so nice to meet you. Before we start let me inform you of my definition of "evolution"

Darwin: Oh, ah, yes, ah-hahahahahah!!!!!! (Darwin picks himself up from the floor). So sorry Rose, that was rude. Yes please, inform me.

Rose: Well, Mr. Darwin, as you probably don't know evolution is about producing multiple genetically fit live off spring, via fit parentage over and over again.

Darwin: Rosie, dear it's so sweet of you to tell me about evolution. I would love to hear more about "multiple, genetically, fit, live offspring but "The Beagle" is about to sail. Why don't you go talk to my friend Alfred Wallace. I'm sure he wants to hear all about how "the goal of evolution is achieved"

Darwin: (exits, right, falls down stairs laughing hysterically) Ahahahahah (gasp) bwhahahah !!!!!
 
Wouldn't it be fun to listen in on a conversation between Darwin and Rose?

Rose: Mr Darwin, so nice to meet you. Before we start let me inform you of my definition of "evolution"

Darwin: Oh, ah, yes, ah-hahahahahah!!!!!! (Darwin picks himself up from the floor). So sorry Rose, that was rude. Yes please, inform me.

Rose: Well, Mr. Darwin, as you probably don't know evolution is about producing multiple genetically fit live off spring, via fit parentage over and over again.

Darwin: Rosie, dear it's so sweet of you to tell me about evolution. I would love to hear more about "multiple, genetically, fit, live offspring but "The Beagle" is about to sail. Why don't you go talk to my friend Alfred Wallace. I'm sure he wants to hear all about how "the goal of evolution is achieved"

Darwin: (exits, right, falls down stairs laughing hysterically) Ahahahahah (gasp) bwhahahah !!!!!

Yes it would be fun but short and sweet...

Darwin: With a look of confusion on his face asks... What is genetically?

Rose: Weaver will update you concerning genetics as he sails away with you aboard “The Beagle”

Rose pops the champagne cork sprays “The Beagle” pours champagne in a golden goblet takes a sip... :2wave: as she wishes a successful Bon Voyage to Darwin and Weaver as they sail off into the sunset as Weaver teaches Darwin all about genes and elective abortions.

Roseann:)
 
There are multiple human interferences in producing genetically fit live offspring that thwart the goal of evolution. Environmentally caused mental retardation through lead in drinking water and commercial paints. to name just two. Making a choice to abort when one knows that one can't provide a safe, loving , stable life for a child so that it will grow up "fit" is actually carrying out the goal of evolution.

"My point was and always has been about making a choice between The Theory of Evolution and The Abortion Culture."
This is one of the stranger philosophical chicaneries that have popped up to justify the religious right's efforts in banning abortion.

Banning abortion because it's thwarting evolution doesn't sound smart, sophisticated, or intelligent. It just sounds strained. Like one is trying very very hard to make banning legal abortion sound rational. It doesn't When you ban abortion you simply drive it under ground where it is unregulated, unrestricted, unsanitary, unprofessional and uncontrolled. How do you fit illegal abortion into your theory of achieving the goal of evolution. There may some reason to ban abortion but this bastardized -philosophic nonsense isn't it.. Where did you come up with it?

FYI None of my posts have anything whatsoever to do with banning abortions or religion. Those are your ideas not mine.

Abortion is legal and each individual woman has the right to chose or chose not to have an abortion based on her personal view concerning abortion.

All of my posts are based on the subject of the thread.

Roseann:)
 
FYI None of my posts have anything whatsoever to do with banning abortions or religion. Those are your ideas not mine.

Abortion is legal and each individual woman has the right to chose or chose not to have an abortion based on her personal view concerning abortion.

All of my posts are based on the subject of the thread.

Roseann:)

Right!
 
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"Hmm. The whole concept of an 'Abortion Culture' is against nature, unnatural."
 
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"Hmm. The whole concept of an 'Abortion Culture' is against nature, unnatural."

Except it is not, the nature of human beings makes us masters of our own destiny. You may not like it but that is not the problem of the human society/nature.
 
Except it is not, the nature of human beings makes us masters of our own destiny. You may not like it but that is not the problem of the human society/nature.
Are you claiming there are two different natures at work in the world, the nature belonging to everything else in the universe, which is studied by natural science, and then a second nature belong to a speck of dust in that universe?
 
Are you claiming there are two different natures at work in the world, the nature belonging to everything else in the universe, which is studied by natural science, and then a second nature belong to a speck of dust in that universe?

I think it's cute that you and Rosie have found each and like identical twins with their own language are able to comprehend each other's babbling incoherencies.


Yeah, yeah, the next post is how every body is too stupid to understand "A wonderfully insightful challenge to abortion apologists" and "Thought restricted to talking points does not nuanced thinkers make."
 
Are you claiming there are two different natures at work in the world, the nature belonging to everything else in the universe, which is studied by natural science, and then a second nature belong to a speck of dust in that universe?

Yes, human nature, you know, the way we humans are and then there is mother nature. Both of which we are the "masters" of mostly.
 
I think it's cute that you and Rosie have found each and like identical twins with their own language are able to comprehend each other's babbling incoherencies.


Yeah, yeah, the next post is how every body is too stupid to understand "A wonderfully insightful challenge to abortion apologists" and "Thought restricted to talking points does not nuanced thinkers make."
My acquaintance with Roseann goes back more than two years, and it is a matter of delight on my part, our acquaintance, for we are kindred spirits.
 
Yes, human nature, you know, the way we humans are and then there is mother nature. Both of which we are the "masters" of mostly.
If human being does not share in the nature of the rest of the universe, that is to say if human being is a special case, how do you account for the existence of human being? It can't be by way of Evolution, which is the way of the creatures of Mother Nature. So how do you account for the existence of this special case, human being?
 
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