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Abortion Apologetics

CharisRose said:
I’m not wasting my time.

Never said it was part of the women rights movement.

Yes, it does.

I know.

Roseann:)
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In what way does listing events support this mythical abortion culture.

And if you are not saying that it is a part of the womans rights movement than who do you think is leading the so called abortion culture?

And if you know your argument makes no sense then what is it you are trying to achieve.
 
soylentgreen said:
In what way does listing events support this mythical abortion culture.

And if you are not saying that it is a part of the womans rights movement than who do you think is leading the so called abortion culture?

And if you know your argument makes no sense then what is it you are trying to achieve.
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I simply provided real world information via the beginnings of human intervention to control population around the world due to the fears about overpopulation dire consequences.

1. Compulsory Sterilization 2. Multiple Birth control methods. 3. Abortion

Which eventually led to the “Abortion Culture” that has been promoted and accepted worldwide by multiple Counties and The United Nations as a means to control population numbers.

The woman’s right movement is simply a result of the “Abortion Culture” that has been promoted worldwide.

Society did not accept the Compulsory Sterilization idea that is why it is now illegal all over the world. However, it is still covertly practiced in some areas of the world.

I never said... I know my argument made no sense. That was your idea.

I was agreeing with you that you failed to see what I was trying to achieve in my post.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
I simply provided real world information via the beginnings of human intervention to control population around the world due to the fears about overpopulation dire consequences.

1. Compulsory Sterilization 2. Multiple Birth control methods. 3. Abortion

Which eventually led to the “Abortion Culture” that has been promoted and accepted worldwide by multiple Counties and The United Nations as a means to control population numbers.

The woman’s right movement is simply a result of the “Abortion Culture” that has been promoted worldwide.

Society did not accept the Compulsory Sterilization idea that is why it is now illegal all over the world. However, it is still covertly practiced in some areas of the world.

I never said... I know my argument made no sense. That was your idea.

I was agreeing with you that you failed to see what I was trying to achieve in my post.

Roseann:)
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You have not achieved anything though.

Abortion is not a means to control population. It is a woman exercising her right to self determination. Trying to group all womens actions together and claiming a culture is ridiculous. Women are not acting in a concerted effort they are exercising their individual needs.

Again you are doing nothing more than pretending a conspiracy of women cooperating to create a means of population control. Absolute nonsense.

Yours is an argument of association. Compulsory sterilisation or governments controlling who can or cannot give birth is not the same as a women deciding whether she wants a child or not.

You really are making a wasted argument.
 
soylentgreen said:
You have not achieved anything though.

Abortion is not a means to control population. It is a woman exercising her right to self determination. Trying to group all womens actions together and claiming a culture is ridiculous. Women are not acting in a concerted effort they are exercising their individual needs.

Again you are doing nothing more than pretending a conspiracy of women cooperating to create a means of population control. Absolute nonsense.

Yours is an argument of association. Compulsory sterilisation or governments controlling who can or cannot give birth is not the same as a women deciding whether she wants a child or not.

You really are making a wasted argument.
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I’m saying it is possible that women may be being used as tools to accomplish the population controls desired by Worldwide Governments/The United Nations 3 goals mentioned in my previous post.

By the way, it is not just women since multiple men have jumped on that bandwagon and it is also possible they may be being used as tools.

Since, 1. compulsory sterilization in no longer legally in play. 2. Is not always effective.

Thus the need for... 3. The “right” to abort at will, for any reason and at any point in time of pregnancy is by far the best fix to accomplish their ultimate goal of population control.

Thus, their promotion of an “Abortion Culture” which has been accepted as a “Societal Culture” by a collective group of people. (Male & Female) Labeled “Pro-Choice”

The problem currently is that not all people worldwide have accepted that “Abortion Culture” thus the existence of an opposing “Societal Culture” Labeled “Pro-Life”.

Roseann:)
 
Pro-choice is more about recognizing the rights of the individual to make choices, while Pro-Life is more about controlling the choices of others when their choices have no negative effect on those who are imposing the control.

Until the cord is cut, the Woman should have total sovereignty over her creation. That should be the point at which society and our laws should begin to apply to the child as a recognized member of society.
 
CharisRose said:
I’m saying it is possible that women may be being used as tools to accomplish the population controls desired by Worldwide Governments/The United Nations 3 goals mentioned in my previous post.
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So once again the word you are looking for is conspiracy.

By the way, it is not just women since multiple men have jumped on that bandwagon and it is also possible they may be being used as tools.

Since, 1. compulsory sterilization in no longer legally in play. 2. Is not always effective.

Thus the need for... 3. The “right” to abort at will, for any reason and at any point in time of pregnancy is by far the best fix to accomplish their ultimate goal of population control.

Thus, their promotion of an “Abortion Culture” which has been accepted as a “Societal Culture” by a collective group of people. (Male & Female) Labeled “Pro-Choice”

The problem currently is that not all people worldwide have accepted that “Abortion Culture” thus the existence of an opposing “Societal Culture” Labeled “Pro-Life”.

Roseann:)
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No, the real problem is people come up with these insane conspiracies.
All this is is another example of how weak the pro lifes position is that they need to pretend conspiracy to buy their crap.

I have has a good laugh thanks for the amusement.
 
soylentgreen said:
So once again the word you are looking for is conspiracy.



No, the real problem is people come up with these insane conspiracies.
All this is is another example of how weak the pro lifes position is that they need to pretend conspiracy to buy their crap.

I have has a good laugh thanks for the amusement.
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Not a conspiracy.

Example: A Clash of Current Opposing Societal Cultures. The Abortion Culture versus it’s opposition.

NZ PM rushes world's most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic

Roseann:)
 
On my card CharisRose is ten rounds ahead on points. Is this a twelve or fifteen round bout? Not that it matters at this stage of the match.
 
CharisRose said:
Not a conspiracy.

Example: A Clash of Current Opposing Societal Cultures. The Abortion Culture versus it’s opposition.

NZ PM rushes world's most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic

Roseann:)
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I have just dealt with another thread that was basically fake news about guns in nz and now it would seem i need deal with another person who is pushing fake news in order to tell lies to support a ridiculous claim.

I take it your an american so probably are quite clueless about nz and really does not know whether you are assisting in pushing lies or not. It just happens to be an article that supports your position and you have probably done nothing more to fact check than read the headlines .

Speaking of which. the headline of your article reads. NZ PM rushes world’s most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic.

The abortion bill was read for three times before being passed. With thousands of submissions from the public being read. Hardly a case of being rushed when the bill had to be voted on by politicians three times at various times through the year the bill has been in parliament since early 2019.

Another lie your article poses.
There will be no requirement that a doctor must be involved with providing an abortion
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Here are 11 provisions that tell you that comment is a lie.
Abortion Legislation Bill 164-3 (2019), Government Bill 7 Sections 10 to 46 replaced – New Zealand Legislation

11Provision of abortion services to women more than 20 weeks pregnant
(1)
A qualified health practitioner may only provide abortion services to a woman who is more than 20 weeks pregnant if the health practitioner reasonably believes that the abortion is clinically appropriate in the circumstances.
(2)
In considering whether the abortion is clinically appropriate in the circumstances, the qualified health practitioner must—
(a)
consult at least 1 other qualified health practitioner; and
(b)
have regard to—
(i)
all relevant legal, professional, and ethical standards to which the qualified health practitioner is subject; and
(ii)
the woman’s—
(A)
physical health; and
(B)
mental health; and
(C)
overall well-being; and
(iii)
the gestational age of the fetus.
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I could go through that complete lie of an article and point out more if you like.

But first lets see if you have the integrity to admit that you just passed a fake news link.
 
soylentgreen said:
I have just dealt with another thread that was basically fake news about guns in nz and now it would seem i need deal with another person who is pushing fake news in order to tell lies to support a ridiculous claim.

I take it your an american so probably are quite clueless about nz and really does not know whether you are assisting in pushing lies or not. It just happens to be an article that supports your position and you have probably done nothing more to fact check than read the headlines .

Speaking of which. the headline of your article reads. NZ PM rushes world’s most extreme abortion legislation into law while country distracted with pandemic.

The abortion bill was read for three times before being passed. With thousands of submissions from the public being read. Hardly a case of being rushed when the bill had to be voted on by politicians three times at various times through the year the bill has been in parliament since early 2019.

Another lie your article poses.

Here are 11 provisions that tell you that comment is a lie.
Abortion Legislation Bill 164-3 (2019), Government Bill 7 Sections 10 to 46 replaced – New Zealand Legislation



I could go through that complete lie of an article and point out more if you like.

But first lets see if you have the integrity to admit that you just passed a fake news link.
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I didn’t just read the title and decide to use that link based on the title.

Unfortunately when I copied and pasted that link...that Title just came along with the link.

I did read thru the article.

As you know my posts are usually long and I have provided many snippets from the many articles that I have used to make my points.

Then you post how I am wasting my time and how I amuse you and then you just repeat the conspiracy idea, etc. while ignoring the snippets from articles I use to make my points.

So I decided to simply post the link and wait to read the next response to my post.

Now, there actually was a single section in the article that pertained to my use of the following example to make my point...

Example: A Clash of Current Opposing Societal Cultures. The Abortion Culture versus it’s >opposition<

Snippet from article follows... >The opposition<

>New Zealand-based pro-life campaign group Voice for Life<said:

“In passing Labour’s extreme abortion Bill our MPs have ushered in a new law that will liberalise abortion up to birth, allow for sex-selective abortions, and remove current freedom of conscience rights from New Zealand medical professionals.

“Over the last few Parliamentary sessions our MPs had the opportunity to pass amendments that would have corrected some of the worst extremes of this Bill but instead they chose to reject such moderate measures…

“Our Parliament has a duty of care to consider the wellbeing and protection of all New Zealanders including the vulnerable.

“Tonight they failed in that basic duty of care by passing this extreme Bill, but the hundreds of thousands of voters who opposed this Bill will not forget this failure when it is time to vote in the General Election in a few short months.”

I enjoy doing research. So, I do read multiple sources.

The Law Around Abortion - Family Planning

Law around abortion – new!

In March 2020, New Zealand modernised its abortion laws for the first time in 40 years. Abortion is now regulated under health legislation.

It seems to me that... for 40 years New Zealand was not part of the modern “Abortion Culture”

New Zealand just recently has accepted the modern “Abortion Culture”. And, Voice for Life a New Zealand opposition “Culture” is opposing that modern “Abortion Culture”.

Roseann:)
 
Abortion culture? Perhaps the term "sub-culture" would be more appropriate? There is no "American" culture, but then is this thread about abortion in New Zealand?

Freedom of the individual, in this case "Women" to make a choice, for reasons of their own to bring a life or not bring a life into the world is all that matters. IMO, "Roe vs Wade" should have left that choice solely to the Woman up until the cord is cut, after which time the birth would be recorded and any/all government laws would be afforded the newly born/documented individual/citizen.

Perhaps there should be a law against denigration or harassment of a Woman who chooses to have an abortion, resulting in a stiff fine and/or incarceration?

A Woman who chooses to have an abortion does so with no negative effect on the existing members of society, and in the long run perhaps a case could be made that the result on society is a positive one.
 
CharisRose said:
I didn’t just read the title and decide to use that link based on the title.

Unfortunately when I copied and pasted that link...that Title just came along with the link.

I did read thru the article.

As you know my posts are usually long and I have provided many snippets from the many articles that I have used to make my points.

Then you post how I am wasting my time and how I amuse you and then you just repeat the conspiracy idea, etc. while ignoring the snippets from articles I use to make my points.

So I decided to simply post the link and wait to read the next response to my post.

Now, there actually was a single section in the article that pertained to my use of the following example to make my point...

Example: A Clash of Current Opposing Societal Cultures. The Abortion Culture versus it’s >opposition<

Snippet from article follows... >The opposition<

>New Zealand-based pro-life campaign group Voice for Life<said:

“In passing Labour’s extreme abortion Bill our MPs have ushered in a new law that will liberalise abortion up to birth, allow for sex-selective abortions, and remove current freedom of conscience rights from New Zealand medical professionals.

“Over the last few Parliamentary sessions our MPs had the opportunity to pass amendments that would have corrected some of the worst extremes of this Bill but instead they chose to reject such moderate measures…

“Our Parliament has a duty of care to consider the wellbeing and protection of all New Zealanders including the vulnerable.

“Tonight they failed in that basic duty of care by passing this extreme Bill, but the hundreds of thousands of voters who opposed this Bill will not forget this failure when it is time to vote in the General Election in a few short months.”

I enjoy doing research. So, I do read multiple sources.

The Law Around Abortion - Family Planning

Law around abortion – new!

In March 2020, New Zealand modernised its abortion laws for the first time in 40 years. Abortion is now regulated under health legislation.

It seems to me that... for 40 years New Zealand was not part of the modern “Abortion Culture”

New Zealand just recently has accepted the modern “Abortion Culture”. And, Voice for Life a New Zealand opposition “Culture” is opposing that modern “Abortion Culture”.

Roseann:)
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And again it would seem you prefer telling lies in order to push a ridiculous belief. There is no evidence that the bill allows for sex-selective abortions.
Reality and Sex Selective Abortion - ALRANZ: Abortion Law Reform Association of New Zealand
Those who call for restrictions on sex selective abortions are the same folks who oppose decriminalisation full stop. Some of them are on record as wanting to ‘abolish abortion’. In light of those objectives, the focus on sex selection seems mischievous, a mere pretext to waste the select committee’s time.
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Your link is nothing more than fake news and your understanding of what is really happening in nz about abortion is limited by your ignorance. You obviously do not enjoy doing research otherwise you would be apolgising for inserting what is a biased bit of fake news.

If you had done research then you would know the bill is not extreme at all. It merely makes legal that which has been occurring with abortion in nz for all the time that the old abortion laws were in place.

My suggestion is you try using links that are not biased and willing to tell lies to promote their agenda.
 
soylentgreen said:
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Nor does listing the time line of events prove in any way an abortion culture....
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Individual said:
Abortion culture? Perhaps the term "sub-culture" would be more appropriate?...
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Listen up, NZ and Europe:

In America -- that's the USA to you -- Abortion Culture is flourishing. Here's a simple mnemonic for you:

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
 
Angel said:
Listen up, NZ and Europe:

In America -- that's the USA to you -- Abortion Culture is flourishing. Here's a simple mnemonic for you:

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
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We have abortion here... why are you calling us out?
 
CharisRose said:
I didn’t just read the title and decide to use that link based on the title.

Unfortunately when I copied and pasted that link...that Title just came along with the link.

I did read thru the article.

As you know my posts are usually long and I have provided many snippets from the many articles that I have used to make my points.

Then you post how I am wasting my time and how I amuse you and then you just repeat the conspiracy idea, etc. while ignoring the snippets from articles I use to make my points.

So I decided to simply post the link and wait to read the next response to my post.

Now, there actually was a single section in the article that pertained to my use of the following example to make my point...

Example: A Clash of Current Opposing Societal Cultures. The Abortion Culture versus it’s >opposition<

Snippet from article follows... >The opposition<

>New Zealand-based pro-life campaign group Voice for Life<said:

“In passing Labour’s extreme abortion Bill our MPs have ushered in a new law that will liberalise abortion up to birth, allow for sex-selective abortions, and remove current freedom of conscience rights from New Zealand medical professionals.

“Over the last few Parliamentary sessions our MPs had the opportunity to pass amendments that would have corrected some of the worst extremes of this Bill but instead they chose to reject such moderate measures…

“Our Parliament has a duty of care to consider the wellbeing and protection of all New Zealanders including the vulnerable.

“Tonight they failed in that basic duty of care by passing this extreme Bill, but the hundreds of thousands of voters who opposed this Bill will not forget this failure when it is time to vote in the General Election in a few short months.”

I enjoy doing research. So, I do read multiple sources.

The Law Around Abortion - Family Planning

Law around abortion – new!

In March 2020, New Zealand modernised its abortion laws for the first time in 40 years. Abortion is now regulated under health legislation.

It seems to me that... for 40 years New Zealand was not part of the modern “Abortion Culture”

New Zealand just recently has accepted the modern “Abortion Culture”. And, Voice for Life a New Zealand opposition “Culture” is opposing that modern “Abortion Culture”.

Roseann:)
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There is no such thing as abortion culture... we allow abortion and some women may choose to have an abortion.
 
Bodhisattva said:
We have abortion here... why are you calling us out?
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I'm not. I love NZ. I was addressing a particular New Zealander and a particular European figuratively, personifying them by their country.
 
Angel said:
I'm not. I love NZ. I was addressing a particular New Zealander and a particular European figuratively, personifying them by their country.
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Dang straight you love New Zealand!! :lol:
 
Angel said:
Listen up, NZ and Europe:

In America -- that's the USA to you -- Abortion Culture is flourishing. Here's a simple mnemonic for you:

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
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50 million lives were not lost due to abortions, what never was can never be lost. The holocaust lead to 6 million lives being lost, the world wars lead to lives being lost, abortion, nope.

People are not pro-abortion, that is a fake accusation based on pro-life nonsense. We are pro-choice. And why would abortion have to be stigmatized? That again is pro-life propaganda. It is sad to see how people are still stigmatizing and demonizing women for using their legal freedom of choice. It is disgusting how women are being described as killers/murderers and by some (not Angel but others) described as monsters. A woman making a private medical decision with full legality is not something they should be stigmatized for.
 
Denial is a psychological defense mechanism in which a person, confronted by a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept, rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite overwhelming evidence. I believe Freud or his daughter plumbed that part of our psyche.

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
 
Angel said:
Denial is a psychological defense mechanism in which a person, confronted by a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept, rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite overwhelming evidence. I believe Freud or his daughter plumbed that part of our psyche.

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
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People claiming women need to be stigmatized for choosing an abortion are not pro-choice.

And ignorance and attack is the psychological warfare pro-lifers have been waging on women for decades. They cannot deal with the fact that nobody is goosestepping to their (mostly) religious conservative doctrines and demand that all follow suit. Well sucks to be them then because as pro-choicer's we are not going to sit by idly while the rights of women are being stripped from them by activist judges appointed by the most despicable president of all time.
 
soylentgreen said:
And again it would seem you prefer telling lies in order to push a ridiculous belief. There is no evidence that the bill allows for sex-selective abortions.
Reality and Sex Selective Abortion - ALRANZ: Abortion Law Reform Association of New Zealand


Your link is nothing more than fake news and your understanding of what is really happening in nz about abortion is limited by your ignorance. You obviously do not enjoy doing research otherwise you would be apolgising for inserting what is a biased bit of fake news.

If you had done research then you would know the bill is not extreme at all. It merely makes legal that which has been occurring with abortion in nz for all the time that the old abortion laws were in place.

My suggestion is you try using links that are not biased and willing to tell lies to promote their agenda.
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I did not lie, since I did not endorse the sex selection idea in that article.

Now I will since you mentioned that sex selection idea and your idea that it is actually a lie.

Snippets from the link you provided...

“Aren’t we trying to reform our abortion laws right now so that people don’t have to lie to doctors anymore? And aren’t we trying to move away from the present situation where people have to provide a reason, as if it were anyone’s business but theirs? Wouldn’t this be a step backwards?”

“Or would this section of the legislation be one of those ‘send a message’ sections that clog up the law books in some places, intended as a sop to those who think people look to Parliament for their moral code? A kind of legislative performance art?”

Is it actually an opposition lie?

The new law leaves the sex selection moral question up to the people seeking an abortion.

So, sex selection is open to the possibility that it may actually occur based on that new law.

People who want a particular number of children and may want at least one boy and one girl. So they can... if they so chose make that moral decision under that new law.

So based on the cultural mindset of the the opposition they are telling their truth.

Voice for Life | Who We Are

“Voice for Life is a New Zealand organisation, building a culture of life where human life is valued from the moment of conception to natural death.”

The new law does absolves the lawmakers from any responsibility concerning any personal moral decisions made by the people concerning the possibility of sex selection.

Culture war | Definition of Culture war at Dictionary.com

Culture War noun
a conflict or struggle for dominance between groups within a society or between societies, arising from their differing beliefs, practices, etc.

We have been debating one of the subjects of this thread about a particular Culture War between opposing groups for dominance within their particular societies or between worldwide societies arising from their differing beliefs, practices, etc.

The one particular subject of this thread is “The Abortion Cultural” that is happening worldwide via Multiple Countries Abortion Laws and the opposition that opposes those laws and the culture it represents in the public square.

The World's Abortion Laws | Center for Reproductive Rights

Roseann:)
 
Angel said:
Listen up, NZ and Europe:

In America -- that's the USA to you -- Abortion Culture is flourishing. Here's a simple mnemonic for you:

50 million lives lost to abortions + pro-abortion agitprop and PR + destigmatization of abortion = Abortion Culture
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Yes, i understand your argument is as simple minded as a mnemonic and just as useless.

You have yet to demonstrate that women should not have made those decisions not keep whinging that they made the decision.
 
CharisRose said:
I did not lie, since I did not endorse the sex selection idea in that article.
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Your lie is to continue with this link as if it were not fake news as you are doing in this post. The shame is yours for spreading fake news.


Now I will since you mentioned that sex selection idea and your idea that it is actually a lie.

Snippets from the link you provided...

“Aren’t we trying to reform our abortion laws right now so that people don’t have to lie to doctors anymore? And aren’t we trying to move away from the present situation where people have to provide a reason, as if it were anyone’s business but theirs? Wouldn’t this be a step backwards?”
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You need to show evidence of the act not reprint the lies that anti abortionists will tell to push their agenda.

“Or would this section of the legislation be one of those ‘send a message’ sections that clog up the law books in some places, intended as a sop to those who think people look to Parliament for their moral code? A kind of legislative performance art?”
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Another example of a lie. Had you done your research you would know that this legislation was put there to fix what was origionally a badly written law that allowed women to have abortion on demand despite it being illegal.


Is it actually an opposition lie?

The new law leaves the sex selection moral question up to the people seeking an abortion.

So, sex selection is open to the possibility that it may actually occur based on that new law.
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It was just as possible before the law change.

You might as well make the argument that a women might get an abortion because she had sex with a lizard person who lives under the south pole. It would be just as likely as you have provided not one iota of proof that this ios actually happening.

People who want a particular number of children and may want at least one boy and one girl. So they can... if they so chose make that moral decision under that new law.

So based on the cultural mindset of the the opposition they are telling their truth.
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Yes, they can. Any statistics on that it is happening often enough to have an effect on society or become a culture or is just making **** up a good enough reason for you.

Voice for Life | Who We Are

“Voice for Life is a New Zealand organisation, building a culture of life where human life is valued from the moment of conception to natural death.”

The new law does absolves the lawmakers from any responsibility concerning any personal moral decisions made by the people concerning the possibility of sex selection.
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As it should be. Women have the right to make their own decisions and a bunch of pro lifers insisting on what is no more than a fantasy problem that they have created in their own minds should not be an influence to women.

Culture war | Definition of Culture war at Dictionary.com

Culture War noun
a conflict or struggle for dominance between groups within a society or between societies, arising from their differing beliefs, practices, etc.

We have been debating one of the subjects of this thread about a particular Culture War between opposing groups for dominance within their particular societies or between worldwide societies arising from their differing beliefs, practices, etc.

The one particular subject of this thread is “The Abortion Cultural” that is happening worldwide via Multiple Countries Abortion Laws and the opposition that opposes those laws and the culture it represents in the public square.

The World's Abortion Laws | Center for Reproductive Rights

Roseann:)
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But unfortunately for you there is no culture. That all that you can do is to link to fake news and link opinions by those who are biased in the first place is a good indicator that there is no such culture just people like you willing to lie or spread lies to create the fear that there is.

Again shame on you for printing fake news to back your lies.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yes, i understand your argument is as simple minded as a mnemonic and just as useless.

You have yet to demonstrate that women should not have made those decisions not keep whinging that they made the decision.
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I've demonstrated the immorality of abortion in two threads, and I've argued that it is wholly a woman's choice to make the decision. The mnemonic is aimed at your denial of abortion culture. You are conflating two different points in your attempt at dismissal.
 
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