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Abortion Apologetics

CharisRose said:
So the mechanism is exactly the same for both the herd and the human?

The mechanism assures the survival of the herd and the mechanism assures the health of human society?

What about the health of the herd and the survival of the human are those included in the mechanism?

The exact same mechanism works for both the human thinker and the herd that don’t think?
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Yes

Here’s the problem humans don’t just think about it... humans also put those thoughts into action at will and may interfere with the mechanism via the abortion process.
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Yes if I understand what I think you are saying.

Herd animals do not have the same ability as humans to interfere with that mechanism.

So, the mechanism at one point in time may have been exactly the same as the mechanism of the herd animals until it was altered by human intervention via the abortion process.

The question is has the mechanism been negatively or positively altered via human intervention via the abortion process instead of the natural process via the mechanism.
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If you are saying that different kinds of stress trigger abortion in animals and humans; then I agree. Thinking doesn't change the stress, it changes the decision.

Mechanism | Definition of Mechanism by Lexico
mechanism - 2. a natural or established process by which something takes place or is brought about.
Roseann:)
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Right; mechanism is a natural or established process that causes something to take place. Extreme stress causes spontaneous abortion in animals. Extreme stress causes humans to think think about abortion. That doesn't change the mechanism.
 
weaver2 said:
Yes

Yes if I understand what I think you are saying.

If you are saying that different kinds of stress trigger abortion in animals and humans; then I agree. Thinking doesn't change the stress, it changes the decision.

Right; mechanism is a natural or established process that causes something to take place. Extreme stress causes spontaneous abortion in animals. Extreme stress causes humans to think think about abortion. That doesn't change the mechanism.
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Sorry, you didn’t understand my entire post.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Elective abortions results: Are a collective multitude worldwide of potential human species offspring which may have had all of those theoretical bells and whistles In Utero that will never become individuals like their parents... who were born via a natural process.

I never said they conspire... promotion is a better word.

Pro-choice promotion movement is a combination of both men and women for the acceptance of the “Abortion Culture” and it is a worldwide movement.

There is also a Pro-life promotional movement of both men and women and not all of them disagree with elective abortion based on religion.

Interesting no sympathy whatsoever for those men of China and India based on their leaders stupid abortion policies.

China and India abortion policies had absolutely nothing to do with what was good for women or men. It was simply forced population control over their people.

Forced population control would never happen in the U.S. (which is a very good thing) U.S. population control method is a “right” to an elective abortion.

Cull the herd - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

Roseann:)
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What promotion? And what collective? of imaginary people are we lamenting? You may want to mean promotion but it is sounding more of an argument for a conspiracy. Women collect together to fight for rights and personal freedom. Abortion is a part of that not the center piece. You are trying to create an idea that there is a conspiracy to promote abortions because women argue for the right to decide for themselves.

pro lifers opinions count only for themselves. they do have the right to force their weird beliefs on others.

American christians would force population control by banning abortion.

How dishonest of you to pretend that pro life is a basis for controlled elective abortion while also claiming that america will never have birth control.

If you are pro life then you are not pro choice. A pro lifer deciding what choices a woman has is not being pro choice.

And please try to stick to facts rather than make up crap. America has many restrictions on abortion and in some states to the point where is it near impossible to get one. Women should not have to jump through political hoops top get what is rightfully theirs. the right to decide for themselves.

It is you who desire there to be an abortion culture because it would make you at least sound credible if there was one. Pro choice on the other hand concentrate on the right of a woman to decide what happens to her body. That includes having a child as having an abortion. So no, it is only an abortion culture because you need it to be not that it is.
 
Angel said:
Abortion Apologetics.

Definition of Terms
1. Abortion Apologetics is the defense and promotion of abortion.
2. Abortion Apologetics has given rise to Abortion Culture.
3. Abortion Culture is a cultural climate conducive to unnecessary abortions, abortions of convenience.
4. Abortion Culture here in the United States has cut short over 50 million human lives in fifty years.

Anti-Abortion Argument
4. The value of human life is grounded in biology, in the survival instinct, the drive to self-preservation.
5. Taking human life is wrong unless done in defense of life.
6. Abortion is the taking of human life.
7. Therefore, unless done to save the pregnant woman's life, abortion is wrong.

Pro-Choice Argument
8. Every human being is a free moral agent.
9. Every free moral agent is free to choose to act morally or immorally.
10. A woman is a human being and therefore a free moral agent.
11. A woman is free to choose to act morally or immorally.

Pro-Life, Pro-Choice, Anti-Abortion
The only reasonable point of view

Comments?
Counter-arguments?
Conversions?
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Apologetics: reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine. There is no such thing as a theory of a medical procedure so you're talking about a religious doctrine.
Pejorative definitions and pejorative terms mean there will be axe grinding not a reasoned argument
Inaccurate assumptions means the conclusions will be inaccurate.
Pro-choice doesn't mean your choice or the highway.

Comments and counter arguments have all met with scoffs and denigration of posters intellect, character, morality, reading ability or status as a person.
Conversation is not the goal of this thread.
 
weaver2 said:
...Conversation is not the goal of this thread.
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That's the attitude shared by all the Abortion Apologists who have polluted the thread with topic dismissal and personal denigration.
Apologetics is argument in defense of something.
 
Angel said:
That's the attitude shared by all the Abortion Apologists who have polluted the thread with topic dismissal and personal denigration.
Apologetics is argument in defense of something.
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Yeah, well start with an argument that is in defense of something instead of a bunch of pretentious bull**** and snotty remarks to people that even attempt to discuss stuff with you and you might not get called an asshole so often. Don't play innocent that your "discussion" techniques are meant to encourage discussion. They aren't. Calling people abortion apologists, internet skeptics, abortion culture advocates and topic polluters is just gratuitous name calling and you know it. Most of your posts are framed to give you the maximum opportunity to tell everyone they are stupid. The people that try to engage you are not stupid.
 
weaver2 said:
Yeah, well start with an argument that is in defense of something instead of a bunch of pretentious bull**** and snotty remarks to people that even attempt to discuss stuff with you and you might not get called an asshole so often. Don't play innocent that your "discussion" techniques are meant to encourage discussion. They aren't. Calling people abortion apologists, internet skeptics, abortion culture advocates and topic polluters is just gratuitous name calling and you know it. Most of your posts are framed to give you the maximum opportunity to tell everyone they are stupid. The people that try to engage you are not stupid.
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Feel better? You make my point by example.
 
soylentgreen said:
What promotion? And what collective? of imaginary people are we lamenting? You may want to mean promotion but it is sounding more of an argument for a conspiracy. Women collect together to fight for rights and personal freedom. Abortion is a part of that not the center piece. You are trying to create an idea that there is a conspiracy to promote abortions because women argue for the right to decide for themselves.

pro lifers opinions count only for themselves. they do have the right to force their weird beliefs on others.

American christians would force population control by banning abortion.

How dishonest of you to pretend that pro life is a basis for controlled elective abortion while also claiming that america will never have birth control.

If you are pro life then you are not pro choice. A pro lifer deciding what choices a woman has is not being pro choice.

And please try to stick to facts rather than make up crap. America has many restrictions on abortion and in some states to the point where is it near impossible to get one. Women should not have to jump through political hoops top get what is rightfully theirs. the right to decide for themselves.

It is you who desire there to be an abortion culture because it would make you at least sound credible if there was one. Pro choice on the other hand concentrate on the right of a woman to decide what happens to her body. That includes having a child as having an abortion. So no, it is only an abortion culture because you need it to be not that it is.
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Promotion | Definition of Promotion by Lexico

Promotion noun 1. Activity that supports or provides active encouragement for the furtherance of a cause, venture, or aim.

Both, Pro-Choice and Pro-Life use promotion via activities that support and/or provide active encouragement for the furtherance of their cultural cause.

Cultural | Definition of Cultural by Lexico

Cultural adjective 1. Relating to the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a society.

That promotion includes both male and female/religious and non-religious adherents... who do promote their particular causes.

Collective adjective 1.1Belonging or relating to all the members of a group.

That collective are not imaginary people. They are simply not yet people based on the fact they are not yet born. They are labeled as “In Utero fetuses”.

That collective group due to the origins of their parentage they are potential people as the offspring (AKA children) of the species Homo Sapien (AKA a group of people or human beings)

Group | Definition of Group by Lexico

Group noun treated as singular or plural

1 A number of people or things that are located close together or are considered or classed together.

Roseann:)
 
Angel said:
That's the attitude shared by all the Abortion Apologists who have polluted the thread with topic dismissal and personal denigration.
Apologetics is argument in defense of something.
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Feel better? You make my point by example.
 
CharisRose said:
Promotion | Definition of Promotion by Lexico

Promotion noun 1. Activity that supports or provides active encouragement for the furtherance of a cause, venture, or aim.

Both, Pro-Choice and Pro-Life use promotion via activities that support and/or provide active encouragement for the furtherance of their cultural cause.

Cultural | Definition of Cultural by Lexico

Cultural adjective 1. Relating to the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a society.

That promotion includes both male and female/religious and non-religious adherents... who do promote their particular causes.

Collective adjective 1.1Belonging or relating to all the members of a group.

That collective are not imaginary people. They are simply not yet people based on the fact they are not yet born. They are labeled as “In Utero fetuses”.

That collective group due to the origins of their parentage they are potential people as the offspring (AKA children) of the species Homo Sapien (AKA a group of people or human beings)

Group | Definition of Group by Lexico

Group noun treated as singular or plural

1 A number of people or things that are located close together or are considered or classed together.

Roseann:)
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There is no such thing as promoting abortion except in the head of pro lifers who need to tell themselves lies in order to feel good about themselves. So no, Promotion is not the word you are looking for. Try conspiracy because your claim is women are conspiring to promote abortion.

If they are not born then they are only potential people. If the woman has an abortion then they are only imaginary people.

This was a waste of your time and effort. You are trying to tell me that your imaginary conspiracy must be true because you used words that are in the dictionary? You cannot imagine how badly that attempt went.
 
Why do religious fanatics and/or moral extremists feel it necessary to defend a Woman's right to choose to have an abortion?

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." - Matthew 7:1
 
soylentgreen said:
There is no such thing as promoting abortion except in the head of pro lifers who need to tell themselves lies in order to feel good about themselves. So no, Promotion is not the word you are looking for. Try conspiracy because your claim is women are conspiring to promote abortion.

If they are not born then they are only potential people. If the woman has an abortion then they are only imaginary people.

This was a waste of your time and effort. You are trying to tell me that your imaginary conspiracy must be true because you used words that are in the dictionary? You cannot imagine how badly that attempt went.
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I clearly defined that promotion is the word that best describes both the Pro-Choice and Pro-Life activities and verbal communication presented in the public square for the furtherance of their preferred causes concerning a social behavior practiced within their society.

It is a Constitutional Right of every American Citizen to address grievances in the public square when there is a conflict of Constitutional Rights that needs to be addressed to solve that conflict.

That is in no way a conspiracy of the American People that are at odds with the conflict of the Constitutional Rights that needs to be addressed to solve that conflict via Constitutional Methods.

Conspiracy | Definition of Conspiracy by Lexico

Conspiracy noun 1A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Not a waste of my time or effort. I think, that attempt went quite well to get my point across since...

Dictionary definitions are simply a tool used to communicate the meaning of the words being used when people communicate with each other.

When I attended school a dictionary was used as a teaching tool concerning the meaning of words.

Is there a new modern tool that can be used currently besides dictionaries that promotes consistency for the meanings of words?

Consistency in the meaning of words is an important tool that promotes comprehension of the words being used when people communicate with each other.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
I clearly defined that promotion is the word that best describes both the Pro-Choice and Pro-Life activities and verbal communication presented in the public square for the furtherance of their preferred causes concerning a social behavior practiced within their society.

It is a Constitutional Right of every American Citizen to address grievances in the public square when there is a conflict of Constitutional Rights that needs to be addressed to solve that conflict.

That is in no way a conspiracy of the American People that are at odds with the conflict of the Constitutional Rights that needs to be addressed to solve that conflict via Constitutional Methods.

Conspiracy | Definition of Conspiracy by Lexico

Conspiracy noun 1A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

Not a waste of my time or effort. I think, that attempt went quite well to get my point across since...

Dictionary definitions are simply a tool used to communicate the meaning of the words being used when people communicate with each other.

When I attended school a dictionary was used as a teaching tool concerning the meaning of words.

Is there a new modern tool that can be used currently besides dictionaries that promotes consistency for the meanings of words?

Consistency in the meaning of words is an important tool that promotes comprehension of the words being used when people communicate with each other.

Roseann:)
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No, what you are clearly doing is falsely accusing women of conspiring to promote a culture of abortion.

You went to a poor school then. Dictionaries are not there to promote consistency in the language. Otherwise why would we have a word such as "innuendo" or in fact have many dictionaries that give different meaning to words. . Words have no meaning at all until given one by the context of the sentence or tone they are used in. A dictionary merely gives you the most often used definition not the only definition of a word.

You are doing nothing more than pretending to use the word promotion because it sounds better than what you really trying to do which is make the accusataion that there is a abortion culture among women who are trying to push abortion.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, what you are clearly doing is falsely accusing women of conspiring to promote a culture of abortion.

You went to a poor school then. Dictionaries are not there to promote consistency in the language. Otherwise why would we have a word such as "innuendo" or in fact have many dictionaries that give different meaning to words. . Words have no meaning at all until given one by the context of the sentence or tone they are used in. A dictionary merely gives you the most often used definition not the only definition of a word.

You are doing nothing more than pretending to use the word promotion because it sounds better than what you really trying to do which is make the accusataion that there is a abortion culture among women who are trying to push abortion.
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I have not falsely accused any individual women of any such thing that is your interpretation of what I wrote taken out of context and tone since I provided sentences along with those definitions.

I simply stated what is happening in the real world for all to see via collective groups of both men and women/religious & non-religious on both sides of the abortion debate...

Here is a single example of current actions in the public square used by both of the collective groups via a combined social activity concerning the abortion debate.

Pro-Choice/Pro-Life Demonstrators gather collectively on the Supreme Court steps.
By ALEXANDRA DESANCTIS
March 4, 2020 4:34 PM

Abortion: Supreme Court Hears Case on Louisiana Law, Demonstrators Gather | National Review

No conspiracy seen here of both collective groups which did not consist of only Pro-Choice individual women within the combined groups of American Citizens use of their Constitutional Rights to address their grievances on the steps of the Supreme Court concerning a matter of Law that is being decided by The Supreme Court Justices.

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
I have not falsely accused any individual women of any such thing that is your interpretation of what I wrote taken out of context and tone since I provided sentences along with those definitions.

I simply stated what is happening in the real world for all to see via collective groups of both men and women/religious & non-religious on both sides of the abortion debate...

Here is a single example of current actions in the public square used by both of the collective groups via a combined social activity concerning the abortion debate.

Pro-Choice/Pro-Life Demonstrators gather collectively on the Supreme Court steps.
By ALEXANDRA DESANCTIS
March 4, 2020 4:34 PM

Abortion: Supreme Court Hears Case on Louisiana Law, Demonstrators Gather | National Review

No conspiracy seen here of both collective groups which did not consist of only Pro-Choice individual women within the combined groups of American Citizens use of their Constitutional Rights to address their grievances on the steps of the Supreme Court concerning a matter of Law that is being decided by The Supreme Court Justices.

Roseann:)
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These are your words.

Pro-choice promotion movement is a combination of both men and women for the acceptance of the “Abortion Culture” and it is a worldwide movement.
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There is no abortion culture. Pro choice is a right to choose culture.

You are correct,there is no conspiracy in the real world. But in the world of your argument that holds there is a group conspiring to create an abortion culture. there is a conspiracy.

You are not stating what is happening in the real world. You are pretending that pro choice means pro abortion.
 
soylentgreen said:
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There is no abortion culture. Pro choice is a right to choose culture.

You are correct,there is no conspiracy in the real world. But in the world of your argument that holds there is a group conspiring to create an abortion culture. there is a conspiracy.

You are not stating what is happening in the real world. You are pretending that pro choice means pro abortion.
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50 million dead and still counting, and you can say with a straight face there is no abortion culture? You're either fooling yourself or trying to fool the rest of us. Get real, man.
 
Angel said:
50 million dead and still counting, and you can say with a straight face there is no abortion culture? You're either fooling yourself or trying to fool the rest of us. Get real, man.
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Yes there is no abortion culture. Fooling myself would be buying into the bad arguments you are making.
 
soylentgreen said:
Yes there is no abortion culture. Fooling myself would be buying into the bad arguments you are making.
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Denial is a psychological defense mechanism in which a person, confronted by a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept, rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite overwhelming evidence. I believe Freud or his daughter plumbed that part of our psyche.
 
soylentgreen said:
These are your words.



There is no abortion culture. Pro choice is a right to choose culture.

You are correct,there is no conspiracy in the real world. But in the world of your argument that holds there is a group conspiring to create an abortion culture. there is a conspiracy.

You are not stating what is happening in the real world. You are pretending that pro choice means pro abortion.
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Sapient adjective 1. Wise, or attempting to appear wise.

A collective of sapient humans (species: Homo sapiens) over the years have been expressing concerns about human population.

Date: 1798 Author: Thomas Malthus “An Essay on the Principle Population “
Summary: positing incorrectly that humans’ proclivity for procreation would exhaust the global food supply within a matter of decades.

Results: Population growth has remained an issue among those collective wise (intellectual) minds contemplating humankind’s future and how to solve the human overpopulation problem.

Skipping ahead to the second half of the 1960’s...

Date: 1966 Author: Harry Harrison “Make Room!Make Room!” Sketching a dystopian world in which too many people scrambled for too few resources.

Date:1968 Author: Paul R Ehrlich a Stanford University biologist “The Population Bomb”
Book sold in the millions. Summary: humankind stood on the brink of apocalypse because there were simply too many of us. over.”

Followed by later forecasts... hundreds of millions would starve to death in the 1970’s. 65 million would be Americans. Crowded India was essentially doomed. Odds were fair that England would not exist in the year 2000. Dr. Ehrlich warned in 1970 that sometime in the next 15 years...the end would come.

Date:1969 the pop duo Zager and Evans reached the top of the charts with a number called “In the Year 2525” which postulated that humans were on a clear path to doom.

United Nations Population Division | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

Human Rights Day 10 December 1966 Declaration on Population by World Leaders signed by 12 Heads of State.

Human Rights Day 10 December 1967 1966 Declaration on Population by World Leaders signed by 30 Heads of State. Statement on population by the UN Secretary-General, U Thant.

International Conference on Human Rights Tehran, Republic of Iran, 22 April to 13 May 1968

1969 Declaration on Social Progress and Development Adopted by the General Assembly in resolution 2542

For years compulsory legal sterilization occurred around the world until it was deemed illegal.

STERILIZED in the Name of Public Health

Providing a single example in The United States of America.

Date: Early 1970’s... STERILIZATION in the Name of Public Health.
Alexandra Minna Stern M.D.

ABSTRACT

“In exploring the history of involuntary sterilization in California, I connect the approximately 20 000 operations performed on patients in state institutions between 1909 and 1979 to the federally funded procedures carried out at a Los Angeles County hospital in the early 1970s.”

Continued in my next post...
 
soylentgreen said:
These are your words.



There is no abortion culture. Pro choice is a right to choose culture.

You are correct,there is no conspiracy in the real world. But in the world of your argument that holds there is a group conspiring to create an abortion culture. there is a conspiracy.

You are not stating what is happening in the real world. You are pretending that pro choice means pro abortion.
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Date: 1973 Movie “Soylent Green” about a hellish overpopulation future based on the book Make Room!Make Room!”

World Conference on Population | UNFPA - United Nations Population Fund

At the 1974 World Conference on Population, the international community highlighted common concerns over emerging population issues by adopting the World Population Plan of Action, containing recommendations and guidelines aimed at "a better quality of life and rapid socio-economic development" for all people. The Bucharest conference was one of*three world conferences convened by the United Nations on population (Bucharest, 1974; Mexico City, 1984; ICPD, 1994).

Role of Abortion in Control of Global Population Growth - PubMed

Date: 1986 Comparative Study S D Mumford, E Kessel

Role of Abortion in Control of Global Population Growth snippets follow...

ABSTRACT

“No nation desirous of reducing its growth rate to 1% or less can expect to do so without the widespread use of abortion”

PIP: Population control is an important but neglected social benefit of abortion.

On this day, the Roe v. Wade decision | The National Constitution Center

Final Subject: Roe versus Wade was all about abortion.

Date: 1969 pregnant Jane Doe wanted an abortion. At the time, Texas law only allowed for abortion in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.

The United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas agreed, and ruled that the Texas law violated Roe’s right to privacy found in the Ninth Amendment, and was therefore unconstitutional.

Date: 1970 Texas appealed the decision to the Supreme Court

Date: 1973 The Court issued its 7-2 decision. In it, the Court determined that Texas had violated Roe’s constitutional right to privacy.

Note: The ruling had nothing to do with the right to choice.

Because the Court determined that abortions were within a woman’s “zone of privacy,” it was therefore ruling that a woman had a fundamental right to the procedure. Although this right was fundamental, that did not mean that it could not be limited.

The Court then assessed the state’s interests. Justice Blackmun found two legitimate government interests: protecting the mother’s health and “protecting the potentiality of human life.

The Court said that, during the first trimester, the abortion decision was left to the woman and her doctor. Following the first trimester, until fetal viability, the state’s interest in the mother’s health reaches the compelling level, and the state can regulate the procedure, only if it “reasonably relates to the preservation and protection of maternal health.” When the point of fetal viability is reached, then the state could protect its interest in “potential life” and regulate abortion to that end. This includes banning that practice of abortion at that stage in the pregnancy.

Date: 2007 Supreme Court issued it’s 5-4 decision which upheld The Federal Abortion Ban AKA the “partial-birth abortions.”

Roseann:)
 
CharisRose said:
Sapient adjective 1. Wise, or attempting to appear wise.

A collective of sapient humans (species: Homo sapiens) over the years have been expressing concerns about human population.

Date: 1798 Author: Thomas Malthus “An Essay on the Principle Population “
Summary: positing incorrectly that humans’ proclivity for procreation would exhaust the global food supply within a matter of decades.

Results: Population growth has remained an issue among those collective wise (intellectual) minds contemplating humankind’s future and how to solve the human overpopulation problem.

Skipping ahead to the second half of the 1960’s...

Date: 1966 Author: Harry Harrison “Make Room!Make Room!” Sketching a dystopian world in which too many people scrambled for too few resources.

Date:1968 Author: Paul R Ehrlich a Stanford University biologist “The Population Bomb”
Book sold in the millions. Summary: humankind stood on the brink of apocalypse because there were simply too many of us. over.”

Followed by later forecasts... hundreds of millions would starve to death in the 1970’s. 65 million would be Americans. Crowded India was essentially doomed. Odds were fair that England would not exist in the year 2000. Dr. Ehrlich warned in 1970 that sometime in the next 15 years...the end would come.

Date:1969 the pop duo Zager and Evans reached the top of the charts with a number called “In the Year 2525” which postulated that humans were on a clear path to doom.

United Nations Population Division | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

Human Rights Day 10 December 1966 Declaration on Population by World Leaders signed by 12 Heads of State.

Human Rights Day 10 December 1967 1966 Declaration on Population by World Leaders signed by 30 Heads of State. Statement on population by the UN Secretary-General, U Thant.

International Conference on Human Rights Tehran, Republic of Iran, 22 April to 13 May 1968

1969 Declaration on Social Progress and Development Adopted by the General Assembly in resolution 2542

For years compulsory legal sterilization occurred around the world until it was deemed illegal.

STERILIZED in the Name of Public Health

Providing a single example in The United States of America.

Date: Early 1970’s... STERILIZATION in the Name of Public Health.
Alexandra Minna Stern M.D.

ABSTRACT

“In exploring the history of involuntary sterilization in California, I connect the approximately 20 000 operations performed on patients in state institutions between 1909 and 1979 to the federally funded procedures carried out at a Los Angeles County hospital in the early 1970s.”

Continued in my next post...
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Don't bother continuing you are just wasting time.

Involuntary steralisation is not a culture of abortion driven by any women's rights movement. You will find all your examples are thought up by and actioned by men.

Nor does listing the time line of events prove in any way an abortion culture.

I fail to see what you are trying to achieve by this.
 
soylentgreen said:
Don't bother continuing you are just wasting time.

Involuntary steralisation is not a culture of abortion driven by any women's rights movement. You will find all your examples are thought up by and actioned by men.

Nor does listing the time line of events prove in any way an abortion culture.

I fail to see what you are trying to achieve by this.
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I’m not wasting my time.

Never said it was part of the women rights movement.

Yes, it does.

I know.

Roseann:)
 
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