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Abortion Apologetics

soylentgreen said:
No, it is not. You are being your usual dishonest. By attempting to pretend that abortion unless under certain conditions is immoral. those conditions being that it must be to save a womans life.

You are also being dishonest in pretending that pro choice means pro abortion when you say 1. " Abortion Apologetics is the defense and promotion of abortion." Pro choice is about promoting the right to choose and not the promotion of abortion.

Put the two together and you are merely another dishonest anti abortionist pretending that yu are pro abortion by condescendingly allowing women only one chance at abortion and only if theor life is in danger. That is not freedom of choice. That is you imposing your sick morality on others. Something you and the other pro lifers have no right to do.
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The dishonesty or perhaps confusion is all on your part based on this confused post of yours.

The condition that allows abortion is based on the selfsame condition that condemns abortion. And nowhere in the OP is Abortion Apologetics identified with Pro-Choice. This is your misreading. The OP is in fact Pro-Choice.
 
Angel said:
Both are elective, not necessary.
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That is your personal opinion. Since your op is based in your personal opinion it may be dismissed.


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vegas giants said:
That is your personal opinion. Since your op is based in your personal opinion it may be dismissed.
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No, that's exactly what your posts says in both cases -- they elect to have the surgery.
That you don't understand the difference just means, get ready for it:
Post fail.
 
Angel said:
No, that's exactly what your posts says in both cases -- they elect to have the surgery.
That you don't understand the difference just means, get ready for it:
Post fail.
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Any surgery I get I have to elect to have it.

I enjoy walking so knee surgery would be necessary.


Would it be necessary for you?
 
Angel said:
The dishonesty or perhaps confusion is all on your part based on this confused post of yours.

The condition that allows abortion is based on the selfsame condition that condemns abortion. And nowhere in the OP is Abortion Apologetics identified with Pro-Choice. This is your misreading. The OP is in fact Pro-Choice.
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No, the condition of abortion is based on the right to decide what happens to my body is my responsibility. Your op however is nothing more than trying to make the limits of that choice your decision by pretending you know better what is moral.

The op is not pro choice it is you choosing what choice should be available.
 
Angel said:
Both are elective, not necessary.
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..........until it's your knee or your pregnancy ........ like the anti-abortion women who scream "baby killer" at the women entering PP clinics then slink around the back and ask for "necessary" abortions. The entire anti-abortion movement is a fraud. Read it's history.
 
soylentgreen said:
You are not basing your argument on biology. You are basing your argument on a moral judgement you have made about a cherry picked statement of biology.
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The survival instinct is a cherry-picked point of biology? That's rich.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, the condition of abortion is based on the right to decide what happens to my body is my responsibility. Your op however is nothing more than trying to make the limits of that choice your decision by pretending you know better what is moral.

The op is not pro choice it is you choosing what choice should be available.
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Did you read my Pro-Choice argument or not. You appear to be basing your criticism on your ability to read my mind, not my post, and read my mind tendentiously of course..
 
Angel said:
The reason or reasons for my absence from the Abortion forum are unknown to you, and I am not at liberty to disabuse you of your fanciful notions as to my reasons. But I'll take a look at your examples and respond if they are on point.
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None of the posts quoted are mine.
 
weaver2 said:
..........until it's your knee or your pregnancy ........ like the anti-abortion women who scream "baby killer" at the women entering PP clinics then slink around the back and ask for "necessary" abortions. The entire anti-abortion movement is a fraud. Read it's history.
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The vagaries of human nature are no part of my brief.
 
Angel said:
The survival instinct is a cherry-picked point of biology? That's rich.
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No, you are being dishonest again. Your are not basing your argument on the survival instinct you are basing the value of human life on the survival instinct.

But life is not valued by the survival instinct. Otherwise explain why a male lion will kill the children of it's predecessor or why a spider will eat not only the father of her children but the children as well. You simply cherry pick the survival instinct.
 
Angel said:
Did you read my Pro-Choice argument or not. You appear to be basing your criticism on your ability to read my mind, not my post, and read my mind tendentiously of course..
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No, i have read the op. Trying to dodge the criticism of it by pretending otherwise demonstrates only your inability to support the op. ie.

1. Abortion Apologetics is the defense and promotion of abortion.
No, it is the defense and promotion of a womans right to choose what happens to her body.

4. The value of human life is grounded in biology, in the survival instinct, the drive to self-preservation.
Why would a male spider seek to mate with a female who will try to eat him if self preservation is all that matters?

Therefore, unless done to save the pregnant woman's life, abortion is wrong.

That is your choice to make not one you have any right to impose on others or claim is a truth others must acknowledge.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, you are being dishonest again. Your are not basing your argument on the survival instinct you are basing the value of human life on the survival instinct.

But life is not valued by the survival instinct. Otherwise explain why a male lion will kill the children of it's predecessor or why a spider will eat not only the father of her children but the children as well. You simply cherry pick the survival instinct.
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Yes, I'm basing the value of human life on biology, and my anti-abortion stance on the value of human life. I see nothing "dishonest" there.
All the killing in the animal kingdom is based on the survival instinct, but we're not talking about the morality of the animal kingdom, we're talking about that singular creature, the rational animal: homo sapiens.
 
soylentgreen said:
You are not basing your argument on biology. You are basing your argument on a moral judgement you have made about a cherry picked statement of biology.
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"The value of human life is grounded in biology, in the survival instinct, the drive to self-preservation." The survival instinct in the wild embraces abortion. In times of stress the body of an animal aborts a fetus in order to preserve the female and the already born and still dependent on the mother. No female species kills it's young to preserve a fetus.
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, i have read the op. Trying to dodge the criticism of it by pretending otherwise demonstrates only your inability to support the op. ie.

1. Abortion Apologetics is the defense and promotion of abortion.
No, it is the defense and promotion of a womans right to choose what happens to her body.

4. The value of human life is grounded in biology, in the survival instinct, the drive to self-preservation.
Why would a male spider seek to mate with a female who will try to eat him if self preservation is all that matters?

Therefore, unless done to save the pregnant woman's life, abortion is wrong.

That is your choice to make not one you have any right to impose on others or claim is a truth others must acknowledge.
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You are not reading my definition of Abortion Apologetics. It concerns the defense and promotion of abortion and has nothing to do with choice, until you read that into it.
That spider example is about the sex drive on the one hand and survival on the other. As far as we can read the minds of spiders, that is.
 
Angel said:
Yes, I'm basing the value of human life on biology, and my anti-abortion stance on the value of human life. I see nothing "dishonest" there.
All the killing in the animal kingdom is based on the survival instinct, but we're not talking about the morality of the animal kingdom, we're talking about that singular creature, the rational animal: homo sapiens.
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Your dishonesty is in demanding that the value of human life is grounded in biology. It is not. Any value given to a human life is only what personal choice you make of it.

Yet your argument is supposedly backed by biology which is not exclusively the use of homo sapiens. You cannot on one hand say your argument is supported by instinct of the survival instinct and the drive to self-preservation, and then turn around and say it only applies only to rational animals that are therefor not controlled by such things as instinctual survival instinct and the drive to self-preservation.
 
Angel said:
You are not reading my definition of Abortion Apologetics. It concerns the defense and promotion of abortion and has nothing to do with choice, until you read that into it.
That spider example is about the sex drive on the one hand and survival on the other. As far as we can read the minds of spiders, that is.
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There is no defense and promotion of abortion. That is you being dishonest by pretending that it what pro choice means. Pro choice is about the woman having the right to decide what happens to her body. Where as your op is about your right to demand what a womans choice should be.
 
Angel said:
Some abortions are medically necessary. Most are elective.
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Again you never used the term medically necessary.


Abortions are necessary.


Your op is based on a false premise
 
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